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[Lucrece]

I just agonize that my hard work of achieving Geth/Quarian peace and developing EDI into an actualized being is invalidated in the only ending they gave us where Shepard lives.

[Delaney]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Sooo ... Let me ask you one simple question: Where did you read something about rainbows and unicorns here on the forums? I only read something about a SIMPLE scene, picture ... whatever of a SIMPLE, SHORT, CLEAR ... äh ... you know, LI reunion. Nothing more. Taking place right after the breathing scene. I can't agree ... and I never will agree that this would have destroyed the whole ME-series ... or just ME3 itself. That's just ridiculous!

[Xilizhra]

Legion of 1337 wrote...

 Bittersweet and morally grey endings make you think, as ME3 has done here. Look at the discussion! If they wanted to start a profound, fundamental philosophical arguement they did it.
But most people are suckers for happy endings, myself included.
Though, honestly, in the final sequence where you charge at the beam and Harbinger is demolishing **** I was like "There's no way I'm living through this, is there?" I also thought that the whole "final goodbye" thing was probably a guarantee that Shepard would die in the end.
Considering the odds, Shepard dying is NOT a stretch at all. In fact, it is almost impossible to avoid. Thankfully, this is a video game and our chances of survival are much greater, but still, Shepard only lives in a particular variant of a particular ending.
I'm curious: how may of you, putting aside your wishes for a happy ending, actually expected Shepard to live at all?

I expected it wholly, and find the ending structure to be unwarrantedly annoying. In any case, you give the endings too much credit; they haven't really started any profound arguments so much as just more Internet bickering over things no one can prove because nothing is explored very well.

[Cell1e]

I just finished the game. It was quite dark and depressing the whole way through with only brief moments of joy or happiness. I found it hard going to be honest. The endings for me were awful. Just not for me, none of them. I feel very sad and upset.
Gosh I kind of wish I hadnt played this game now.

[chemiclord]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Tidbit for you. J.K. Rowling had originally intended to conclude Harry Potter with having Harry die or so was claimed. This was leaked around the fifth or sixth book and fans were irate, pleading she not go ahead with this. Shockingly, she changed her script and we have the current ending.

And honestly... it shows.

You can tell the Epilogue to Deathly Hallows is just tacked on to please the whiners.  It's a complete 180 from the entire feel of the book... it's cheap... sappy... and just is... ugh, BAD.  Seriously, the Epilogue (and the final parts from the moment the Resurrection Stone does its thing) is downright AWFUL, because it is readily apparent it is NOT what Rowling wanted to do, and her heart was NOT in it.

Not to mention it completely CHEAPENED the development of other characters.  I had grown quite attached to how Longbottom had grown as a character throughout the series, and you can tell HE was supposed to be the one to muster the final resistance and victory.  Then, just because some whiny brats didn't want Harry to die... Harry has to steal the show and completely RUIN the climatic development of a wonderful character.

I'm not sure you want to use that as an example of your point... because to me it demonstrates how a book can really suffer by catering to what fans want.

Modifié par chemiclord, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:55 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Delaney wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Sooo ... Let me ask you one simple question: Where did you read something about rainbows and unicorns here on the forums? I only read something about a SIMPLE scene, picture ... whatever of a SIMPLE, SHORT, CLEAR ... äh ... you know, LI reunion. Nothing more. Taking place right after the breathing scene. I can't agree ... and I never will agree that this would have destroyed the whole ME-series ... or just ME3 itself. That's just ridiculous!

Some people just want the LI to yell "Shepard!" during the breath scene. Some people want them to reunite and have blue babies or whatever. Some people wants too see them settle down together on earth. Some people just want a hug. Some people want a full blown celebration. Everyone wants different stuff, which is why it isn't worth doing. No matter what Bioware does, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with the results. 

[Xilizhra]

Some people just want the LI to yell "Shepard!" during the breath scene. Some people want them to reunite and have blue babies or whatever. Some people wants too see them settle down together on earth. Some people just want a hug. Some people want a full blown celebration. Everyone wants different stuff, which is why it isn't worth doing. No matter what Bioware does, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with the results.

But all of them will be less unhappy than with what we have at the moment.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Xilizhra wrote...

Some people just want the LI to yell "Shepard!" during the breath scene. Some people want them to reunite and have blue babies or whatever. Some people wants too see them settle down together on earth. Some people just want a hug. Some people want a full blown celebration. Everyone wants different stuff, which is why it isn't worth doing. No matter what Bioware does, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with the results.

But all of them will be less unhappy than with what we have at the moment.

No. We'll just be seeing even more "Why are Bioware not listening to me?"-kinda threads all over the place. 

It's a lose-lose situation for Bioware. They spend money developing something not that many will buy (the romance part of the ME games is not that important to many people) and many of the people who asked for it still won't be completely satisfied. 

Just pick the control ending with high EMS and imagine the rest. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 07 juillet 2012 - 11:57 .

[Xilizhra]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Some people just want the LI to yell "Shepard!" during the breath scene. Some people want them to reunite and have blue babies or whatever. Some people wants too see them settle down together on earth. Some people just want a hug. Some people want a full blown celebration. Everyone wants different stuff, which is why it isn't worth doing. No matter what Bioware does, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with the results.

But all of them will be less unhappy than with what we have at the moment.

No. We'll just be seeing even more "Why are Bioware not listening to me?"-kinda threads all over the place. 

It's a lose-lose situation for Bioware. They spend money developing something not that many will buy (the romance part of the ME games is not that important to many people) and many of the people who asked for it still won't be completely satisfied. 

Just pick the control ending with high EMS and imagine the rest. 

How would Control help? Synthesis with revived Shepard would go rather better.
In any case, the ME3 ship has probably sunk already, so maybe it wouldn't work to add aditional content, at least as DLC... however, I do wonder if they might do Twitter posts about possibilities for how LI reunions would go. It's not perfect, but it might be something.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Xilizhra wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Some people just want the LI to yell "Shepard!" during the breath scene. Some people want them to reunite and have blue babies or whatever. Some people wants too see them settle down together on earth. Some people just want a hug. Some people want a full blown celebration. Everyone wants different stuff, which is why it isn't worth doing. No matter what Bioware does, there will still be lots of people who are unhappy with the results.

But all of them will be less unhappy than with what we have at the moment.

No. We'll just be seeing even more "Why are Bioware not listening to me?"-kinda threads all over the place. 

It's a lose-lose situation for Bioware. They spend money developing something not that many will buy (the romance part of the ME games is not that important to many people) and many of the people who asked for it still won't be completely satisfied. 

Just pick the control ending with high EMS and imagine the rest. 

How would Control help? <snip>

Because it's the only ending where Shepard survives. 

[Xilizhra]

Because it's the only ending where Shepard survives.

Shepard survives in Destroy and can be revived akin to Keiji in Synthesis. Control is the only one where Shepard isn't coming back at all.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

Because it's the only ending where Shepard survives.

Shepard survives in Destroy and can be revived akin to Keiji in Synthesis. Control is the only one where Shepard isn't coming back at all.

No Shep can't. Shep doesn't have a box filled with his/her memories lying around.

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Because it's the only ending where Shepard survives.

Shepard survives in Destroy and can be revived akin to Keiji in Synthesis. Control is the only one where Shepard isn't coming back at all.

No Shep can't. Shep doesn't have a box filled with his/her memories lying around.

It's easy enough to mentally canon in, and there's nothing saying she doesn't have one. It seems like it'd be a sensible precaution, akin to Liara's time capsules.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...
It's easy enough to mentally canon in, and there's nothing saying she doesn't have one. It seems like it'd be a sensible precaution, akin to Liara's time capsules.

Why would that be a sensible precaution? Keiji did that so no one would get the pass but Kasumi. Shep's not hiding anything like that and putting something like that in the time capsules would be pointless.

You can HC it in just like I can HC the geth being rebuilt with full memories. That doesn't make it canon.

[Xilizhra]

Ryzaki wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It's easy enough to mentally canon in, and there's nothing saying she doesn't have one. It seems like it'd be a sensible precaution, akin to Liara's time capsules.

Why would that be a sensible precaution? Keiji did that so no one would get the pass but Kasumi. Shep's not hiding anything like that and putting something like that in the time capsules would be pointless.

You can HC it in just like I can HC the geth being rebuilt with full memories. That doesn't make it canon.

It doesn't have to make it everyone's canon. All it has to do is be conceivably possible.

[BigTuna82]

DLC that gives EDI an organic body? Then Destroy might be relatively comfortable.

edit:  Sort of like a take on Pinoccio.

Modifié par BigTuna82, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:19 .

[Ozida]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
No. We'll just be seeing even more "Why are Bioware not listening to me?"-kinda threads all over the place. 

It's a lose-lose situation for Bioware. They spend money developing something not that many will buy (the romance part of the ME games is not that important to many people) and many of the people who asked for it still won't be completely satisfied. 

Just pick the control ending with high EMS and imagine the rest.

To be honest, your arguments aren’t very strong; they just show that you personally would not want to have a happy end, that’s all to it. If romance part was not so important for many people, why would many of them be so
curious to learn what Tali looked like under her mask? Why would they complain when there were no reunions with LI from ME1 in ME2? Why do they keep asking for it even now?

It is a valid part of the game that both writers and developers put a good chunk of work to, and I see nothing wrong with people wanting to have it good for their Shepard. Otherwise it becomes a good ol' plain shooter.

Once again, I do not intend to personally attack you with this response, but rather trying to make a point that it is fair for other to want to have something they feel would be right for them. If people don’t want a happy end, they should just select one of other options, that’s all. And if they feel that they are obligated to pick a happy end choice… well, I am sorry, I felt that Synthesis was pushed on player so hard, it made me sick. Doesn’t mean
I’m going to shout out loud that it should be completely removed from the game. I will just pick different choice.

Modifié par Ozida, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:21 .

[drewid78]

In a trilogy, if your going by the classics of this type (star wars, lord of the rings(movies)) shouldnt the second one have been dark... and the third be good guys win???

Modifié par drewid78, 08 juillet 2012 - 12:34 .

[drewid78]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...A good game has replay value, happy endings = sense of accomplishment, which translates into replaying the game. Crappy fake "mature" endings sucks. It wasn't the theme of both games. In fact both games HAD A HAPPY ENDING. So you know, people, like me, foolishy thought that Mass Effect 3 was going to have a happy ending too. Instead they tried to appease the "I only like dark edgy stuff" crowd, which backfired.

Happy endings = boring. Which translates into not replaying the game.Mature endings show that you can't always get everything you want, that sometimes sacrifices have to be made in order to win the day. If you don't think it was the theme of either of the previous games, I humbly ask... have you PLAYED the other games?

Yep... and i WON them to... ME3 is the coconut stand where the coconuts are glued in....

[Argetfalcon]

i know it sucks

[Iakus]

Cell1e wrote...

I just finished the game. It was quite dark and depressing the whole way through with only brief moments of joy or happiness. I found it hard going to be honest. The endings for me were awful. Just not for me, none of them. I feel very sad and upset.
Gosh I kind of wish I hadnt played this game now.

My sentiments exactly

[Iakus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

No. We'll just be seeing even more "Why are Bioware not listening to me?"-kinda threads all over the place. 

It's a lose-lose situation for Bioware. They spend money developing something not that many will buy (the romance part of the ME games is not that important to many people) and many of the people who asked for it still won't be completely satisfied. 

Just pick the control ending with high EMS and imagine the rest. 

I doubt it.  Because at least if the game ended with some kind of reunion, be it a LI, the Normandy crew, or Admiral Hackett, it would be far easier to speculate on what happens next in a positive light.  What we do get with the Shepard Lives ending is a broken Shepard apparantly bareley clinging to life.  

That is not how a lot of us want the final scene of Shepard's story to be.  If Bioware couldn't see that as a problem, they just "don't get it"

[Cucobr]

nhsknudsen wrote...

War is hell, war is sacrifice, war is family and loved ones torn apart, and war, war never changes.

Yes you wanted a happy ending, so does every soldier that goes to war. But ultimately someone dies in war.

Mass Effect 1 has a Happy Ending

Mass Effect 2 has an EPIC happy ending


so... what is your problem... sayin things about war end shi*?
Is totaly normal expect a happy ending from ME3. 
I agree with OP.

[Ryzaki]

Xilizhra wrote...

It doesn't have to make it everyone's canon. All it has to do is be conceivably possible.

...except what reason is there (and where would Shep get the time) to even do that?