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drewid78 wrote...

In a trilogy, if your going by the classics of this type (star wars, lord of the rings(movies)) shouldnt the second one have been dark... and the third be good guys win???


Yup.  But this isn't REALLY a trilogy just because it has '3' at the end.  All of the games are fairly disconnected from one another.  

1. Fight Geth/Saren. Sort of a Space Odyssey meets Star Trek feel.
2. Fight synthesised insects... more of a space Soap Opera because the game was Character driven.
3. WAR!!!!

The Genophage and Geth/Quarian thing was the only real tie that binded the story together nicely. The Reapers seemed to have been redfined between what they were in the first 2 games and what they were in the 3rd. And Cerberderp is literally all over the map.

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Shaleist wrote...

drewid78 wrote...

In a trilogy, if your going by the classics of this type (star wars, lord of the rings(movies)) shouldnt the second one have been dark... and the third be good guys win???


Yup.  But this isn't REALLY a trilogy just because it has '3' at the end.  All of the games are fairly disconnected from one another.  

1. Fight Geth/Saren. Sort of a Space Odyssey meets Star Trek feel.
2. Fight synthesised insects... more of a space Soap Opera because the game was Character driven.
3. WAR!!!!

The Genophage and Geth/Quarian thing was the only real tie that binded the story together nicely. The Reapers seemed to have been redfined between what they were in the first 2 games and what they were in the 3rd. And Cerberderp is literally all over the map.


It was built with being a trilogy in mind.  The whole importation thing is clearly meant to link the games.

ME2 was also advertised as the "dark second act"

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xsdob wrote...

I got a happy ending, than again my criteria for happy ending is having the most people survive and thrive afterwards.

If shepard lives, great. If not, than oh well, at least I saved as many people as I could.

Still, sorry you didn't feel you had a happy ending, maybe we can orginize and have them make all the single player DLC make small ammendments and additions to the endings, maybe bioware will do this on their own, maybe it won't ever happen and this is it.

I'm sorry you feel that way.



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It was built with being a trilogy in mind.  The whole importation thing is clearly meant to link the games.

ME2 was also advertised as the "dark second act"

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Advertised maybe.. but it was hardly the darkest act.

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It was darker than ME1 though.

Modifié par Ghost1017, 08 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .


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 Then I definitely wouldn't want to see where ME4 would take us at this rate  It would have to carry a warning label

Modifié par iakus, 08 juillet 2012 - 03:35 .


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Ghost1017 wrote...

It was darker than ME1 though.


Is it?

Impaling people alive on spikes, the Thorian, Sovereign attacking, hunting down mad scientists and the Rachni fight isn't exactly chipper.  I was talking about ME3 being WAY overboard on the brooding 13 year old writer vibe compared to ME1 and ME2 which both seemed more balanced in mood.

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Shaleist wrote...

Impaling people alive on spikes,


Also happens in ME2.

the Thorian,


Not really "dark", per se.

Sovereign attacking, hunting down mad scientists and the Rachni fight isn't exactly chipper.


See above.

I was talking about ME3 being WAY overboard on the brooding 13 year old writer vibe compared to ME1 and ME2 which both seemed more balanced in mood.


By God, is this correct.

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chemiclord wrote...

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Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.


Tidbit for you. J.K. Rowling had originally intended to conclude Harry Potter with having Harry die or so was claimed. This was leaked around the fifth or sixth book and fans were irate, pleading she not go ahead with this. Shockingly, she changed her script and we have the current ending.


And honestly... it shows.

You can tell the Epilogue to Deathly Hallows is just tacked on to please the whiners.  It's a complete 180 from the entire feel of the book... it's cheap... sappy... and just is... ugh, BAD.  Seriously, the Epilogue (and the final parts from the moment the Resurrection Stone does its thing) is downright AWFUL, because it is readily apparent it is NOT what Rowling wanted to do, and her heart was NOT in it.

Not to mention it completely CHEAPENED the development of other characters.  I had grown quite attached to how Longbottom had grown as a character throughout the series, and you can tell HE was supposed to be the one to muster the final resistance and victory.  Then, just because some whiny brats didn't want Harry to die... Harry has to steal the show and completely RUIN the climatic development of a wonderful character.

I'm not sure you want to use that as an example of your point... because to me it demonstrates how a book can really suffer by catering to what fans want.


I actually tend to agree, perhaps because I have a penchant for tragedy or bittersweet conclusions when they fit and are properly executed. J.K. Rowling could and would have pulled it off without concern and remained within the themes and elements her story had developed. Mass Effect differs because it completely changed direction at the last ten minutes and introduced significant plot arcs the audience had no familiarity with.

If the Crucible was merely a giant weapon we used against the Reapers however it became to overcharge and threatened to destroy the Citadel, thus Shepard detaches it. You could leave it so (s)he dies or include cryptic scenes of him/her moving through the debris yet never completely say Shepard lived and that would work. Sure, you would have people whining over Shepard's apparent death but I imagine they would be far less.

I firmly believe the issue people had and still have, is ME3 struggles to feel like a victory despite the series having a constant theme of overcoming insurmountable odds. Even if Shepard were to die, we beat the Reapers on our own terms. We took back the galaxy. To make the Harry Potter comparison, even had Harry died, he still defeated Lord Voldemort and Hogwarts would continue anew.

The Catalyst changes the series' direction and overall theme. We win because he allowed us to, as evident by the Refusal ending. PErhaps most damning though is Casey and Mac did not write this because they wanted to stay true to the series. They merely wanted it to be "edgier" and "cooler" or as the beloved Silverman says, "when you click a button, something awesome happens!"

J.K. Rowling planned her series from start to finish and though she changed the ending to please fans. It does fit, although perhaps a bit contrived. The fact she wanted to please people who devoted a decade of their time in her fiction, is nonetheless commendable.

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Bourne Endeavor wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.


Tidbit for you. J.K. Rowling had originally intended to conclude Harry Potter with having Harry die or so was claimed. This was leaked around the fifth or sixth book and fans were irate, pleading she not go ahead with this. Shockingly, she changed her script and we have the current ending.


And honestly... it shows.

You can tell the Epilogue to Deathly Hallows is just tacked on to please the whiners.  It's a complete 180 from the entire feel of the book... it's cheap... sappy... and just is... ugh, BAD.  Seriously, the Epilogue (and the final parts from the moment the Resurrection Stone does its thing) is downright AWFUL, because it is readily apparent it is NOT what Rowling wanted to do, and her heart was NOT in it.

Not to mention it completely CHEAPENED the development of other characters.  I had grown quite attached to how Longbottom had grown as a character throughout the series, and you can tell HE was supposed to be the one to muster the final resistance and victory.  Then, just because some whiny brats didn't want Harry to die... Harry has to steal the show and completely RUIN the climatic development of a wonderful character.

I'm not sure you want to use that as an example of your point... because to me it demonstrates how a book can really suffer by catering to what fans want.


I actually tend to agree, perhaps because I have a penchant for tragedy or bittersweet conclusions when they fit and are properly executed. J.K. Rowling could and would have pulled it off without concern and remained within the themes and elements her story had developed. Mass Effect differs because it completely changed direction at the last ten minutes and introduced significant plot arcs the audience had no familiarity with.

If the Crucible was merely a giant weapon we used against the Reapers however it became to overcharge and threatened to destroy the Citadel, thus Shepard detaches it. You could leave it so (s)he dies or include cryptic scenes of him/her moving through the debris yet never completely say Shepard lived and that would work. Sure, you would have people whining over Shepard's apparent death but I imagine they would be far less.

I firmly believe the issue people had and still have, is ME3 struggles to feel like a victory despite the series having a constant theme of overcoming insurmountable odds. Even if Shepard were to die, we beat the Reapers on our own terms. We took back the galaxy. To make the Harry Potter comparison, even had Harry died, he still defeated Lord Voldemort and Hogwarts would continue anew.

The Catalyst changes the series' direction and overall theme. We win because he allowed us to, as evident by the Refusal ending. PErhaps most damning though is Casey and Mac did not write this because they wanted to stay true to the series. They merely wanted it to be "edgier" and "cooler" or as the beloved Silverman says, "when you click a button, something awesome happens!"

J.K. Rowling planned her series from start to finish and though she changed the ending to please fans. It does fit, although perhaps a bit contrived. The fact she wanted to please people who devoted a decade of their time in her fiction, is nonetheless commendable.


A perfect example

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thank you