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[Iakus]

Baldrick67 wrote...

Calling an ending, especially the Destroy with high war assets, "happy" if Shepard survives and reunites with his/her LI is misleading I think.
Ask any allied WW2 veteran if the war had a happy ending.

By some peoples logic if they survived and reunited with their wife, girlfriend or family it was a Disney ending.

Many veterans barely talked about what they had seen and endured during the war as it was too unpleasant to remember, they wanted to move one with their lives. They wouldn't forget what happened but they didn't want to relive or glorify it.

Considering the scale of the losses suffered by the council races in ME3 they paid the price for a victory. Many home worlds in ruin and billions dead. Shepard clearly was affected by the struggle, the dream sequences and stress, and will be scarred.

Shepard surviving the final battle isn't so "happy", it’s fortunate but believable.

Well said.

[psrz]

chemiclord wrote...

And there are people who LIKE gritty "grimdark" realism, and find romantic escapism to be silly and childish, running away from problems rather than facing them.

If you're playing a computer game, no matter how grim-dark-bleak is your playstyle, the only thing you're facing is your monitor.

chemiclord wrote...


They are no more right or wrong in that feeling than you are in yours. What makes YOUR feeling on the matter more important than theirs that you feel Bioware should tell them to kiss off and cater to YOU?

No one asked a happy ending as the only outcome.

[PsyrenY]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I don't know about that. Everyone simply appeared to be brainwashed.

Well they weren't. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Iakus]

bhsup wrote...
What I'll never understand is how people don't view this as a victory. Personally, I like the destroy ending. Not because you see Shep take a breath at the end, but rather because everyone won! The Asari on Thessia, the Krogan on Tuchanka, the Turians on Palaven, etc. They have their planets back and they're alive. Sure, things are going to be hellishly tough for awhile, and the relays are down and out, but they are alive. How is that not a victory for life?

but you're not playing as the asari on Thessia, the krogan of Tuchanka, the turians of Palaven (well, maybe you are in multiplayer)  You're playing Commander Shepard.  In the end, what happens to Shepard plays a large part in whether a game is "happy" "bittersweet" "tragic" etc.  

[kyban]

fainmaca wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

War is hell, war is sacrifice, war is family and loved ones torn apart, and war, war never changes.

Yes you wanted a happy ending, so does every soldier that goes to war. But ultimately someone dies in war.

But ME has never been a 'War is hell' story. Me has always been beating incredibly long odds. The sudden shift to dark and gritty in the third installment is jarring at best, immersion breaking at worst. The people behind the computer screens are not generally soldiers. We're generally people who lead normal, sometimes rather grey lives and come home expecting to be entertained, to break up an evening where nothing else is going on with something that makes us feel good. The previous installments in this series set up those expectations, not a dreary, 'dark and gritty' hell simulator. I for one never got into this series for the war, I got into it for the story, a story I was promised I could shape in certain directions, a story that so far had let me be an incredible hero who pulled off a number of flawless victories. There was potential for loss and tragedy, sure, but it was entirely my fault. As it is, I'm not to blame for any of the suffering in ME3, and it loses its impact for that.

With all due respect, all that your precious realism ever gave me was the death of several loved ones, including a family member who was especially important to me. That is something I don't have to be reminded of in my attempts to seek escapism from the day-to-day routine. **** realism, and then stick it up Bioware's arse.

A million times what this guy says.

+1,000,000

[Siansonea]

I hate that "happy ending" and "LI reunion" are synonymous to most folks. In the context of what is happening, Shepard's freakin' relationship is the last thing I care about. We're trying to stop a galactic threat, not play house with some chick in a gas mask.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:30 .

[Ryzaki]

fainmaca wrote...

nhsknudsen wrote...

War is hell, war is sacrifice, war is family and loved ones torn apart, and war, war never changes.

Yes you wanted a happy ending, so does every soldier that goes to war. But ultimately someone dies in war.

But ME has never been a 'War is hell' story. Me has always been beating incredibly long odds. The sudden shift to dark and gritty in the third installment is jarring at best, immersion breaking at worst. The people behind the computer screens are not generally soldiers. We're generally people who lead normal, sometimes rather grey lives and come home expecting to be entertained, to break up an evening where nothing else is going on with something that makes us feel good. The previous installments in this series set up those expectations, not a dreary, 'dark and gritty' hell simulator. I for one never got into this series for the war, I got into it for the story, a story I was promised I could shape in certain directions, a story that so far had let me be an incredible hero who pulled off a number of flawless victories. There was potential for loss and tragedy, sure, but it was entirely my fault. As it is, I'm not to blame for any of the suffering in ME3, and it loses its impact for that.

With all due respect, all that your precious realism ever gave me was the death of several loved ones, including a family member who was especially important to me. That is something I don't have to be reminded of in my attempts to seek escapism from the day-to-day routine. **** realism, and then stick it up Bioware's arse.

THIS

[psrz]

Siansonea II wrote...

I hate that "happy ending" and "LI reunion" are synonymous to most folks. In the context of what is happening, Shepard's freakin' relationship is the last thing I care about. We're trying to stop a galactic threat, not play house with some chick in a gas mask.

Exactly. And after the threat is stopped, my shepards want to be with their friends and love ones.

[Raging_Pulse]

I also wanted a happy ending in the spirit of ME1&2. But apparently, BioWare decided that, for the trilogy to be concluded, they had to kill-off arguably the most popular and beloved protagonist of their most successful Intellectual Property. How victorious and uplifting!

Modifié par Domecoming, 06 juillet 2012 - 05:49 .

[Ridwan]

Happy endings aren't allowed on BSN. You're suppose to dress in black, listen to crappy black metal bands from Switzerland, pretend to read Nietzche, write goth poetry and generally mope around like life sucks. Only then can you call yourself mature enough to appreciate dark, edgy, grim endings.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

[Ridwan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

[Iakus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Wait, the series ended with Harry lying burnt and broken in a crater, taking a single brath?

Funny, I remember Harry surrounded by his surviving friends being alll hopeful for the future.  And this was before the epilogue.  

[SpamBot2000]

Speaking only for myself, I'm not saying the endings sucked so bad because they weren't happy. (Though Synthesis clearly was supposed to be, sickeningly so.) But surely no one can seriously argue that it was a case of "dark realism" that I'm too childish to get? Catalyst?!

What I'm saying though is that it's sad that there is this competition going about how "edgy" you can go. Didn't we crawl through body piles and huskification camps to get through to the end already? The redeeming thing about this universe of medical experimentation, and oh yeah, the reaping thing itself, was that Shepard was pissed and he wasn't going to take it. Now they put the pistol on the puppy because they think redemption is so lame and the deadspace devs will laugh at them in the playground?

Anyone read The songs of Innocence and Experience by William Blake? It's about this idea that the innocent crave for experience, and the experienced yearn for innocence. ME is marketed for mature audiences. Make of that what you will.

[Father_Jerusalem]

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

[Ryzaki]

iakus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Wait, the series ended with Harry lying burnt and broken in a crater, taking a single brath?

Funny, I remember Harry surrounded by his surviving friends being alll hopeful for the future.  And this was before the epilogue.  

This.

I don't know what HP he read. 

Mine had the chapter before the epilogue have the survivors greeting and comforting each other and Harry going into Dumbledore's office to speak with his portrait.

The epilogue was plain unnecessary though because it had ended on a damn happy and hopeful note to begin with. EWE was just overkill and idiotic. And only served to show that EWWW Slytherins idiocy still ran rampant.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .

[Ridwan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

Mhm, cause we play video games to remind ourselves how life sucks, and happy endings are fairy tales. <_<

[Iakus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

So, didn't pick Synthesis, huh? 

[Reorte]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

You make me laugh.

[Father_Jerusalem]

iakus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Wait, the series ended with Harry lying burnt and broken in a crater, taking a single brath?

Funny, I remember Harry surrounded by his surviving friends being alll hopeful for the future.  And this was before the epilogue.  

So, because the two endings aren't identical, you're going to just whine about it? It's a metaphor, for crying out loud. At the end of Harry Potter, he had defeated the enemy, his friends were alive, and you didn't know what was going to happen next. Until the schlokey epilogue. At the end of Mass Effect, you have defeated the enemy, your friends are alive, and you don't know what's going to happen next.

Just because the specific circumstances are different doesn't mean the themes are different.

[Ryzaki]

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

Mhm, cause we play video games to remind ourselves how life sucks, and happy endings are fairy tales. <_<

Frankly I don't care about dark endings.

But why throw them in a series that didn't have them before? It's just...why? If ME had dark endings from the beginning I can understand (hell I probably wouldn't have touched the series) so what's with the sudden shift? 

[Ridwan]

Ryzaki wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

Mhm, cause we play video games to remind ourselves how life sucks, and happy endings are fairy tales. <_<

Frankly I don't care about dark endings.

But why throw them in a series that didn't have them before? It's just...why? If ME had dark endings from the beginning I can understand (hell I probably wouldn't have touched the series) so what's with the sudden shift? 

"Art"!

[Father_Jerusalem]

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

I'm sorry for not being adult, edgy and depressed enough to appreciate these serious artsy ending. <_<

I'm sorry for not being childish enough for needing everything to be spoonfed to me and to have fairies and unicorns and giant rainbows with people giving me chocolate cake and telling me how awesome I am in my ending.

Mhm, cause we play video games to remind ourselves how life sucks, and happy endings are fairy tales. <_<

I play video games to be entertained and. If ME3 isn't entertaining to you, I suggest you don't play it. Whining about wanting a happy ending at this point in time is worse than ridiculous.

[Iakus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

iakus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Okay, here's my thing.

How many of you have read the Harry Potter series?

In the final book, we get a decently hopeful ending. People have died, the war is over, the good guys won, and the future is ahead of you... then you get this horrifically written schlepy "epilogue" full of rainbows and unicorns which is completely out of place from the rest of the series. It, frankly, ruins the entire book - and almost the entire series as a whole - for me.

That's what you're asking BioWare to do. And I, personally, want no part of it. We didn't get a "happy" ending, but we got a "hopeful" ending. And that is just flat out better.

Wait, the series ended with Harry lying burnt and broken in a crater, taking a single brath?

Funny, I remember Harry surrounded by his surviving friends being alll hopeful for the future.  And this was before the epilogue.  

So, because the two endings aren't identical, you're going to just whine about it? It's a metaphor, for crying out loud. At the end of Harry Potter, he had defeated the enemy, his friends were alive, and you didn't know what was going to happen next. Until the schlokey epilogue. At the end of Mass Effect, you have defeated the enemy, your friends are alive, and you don't know what's going to happen next.

Just because the specific circumstances are different doesn't mean the themes are different.

Burnt.  Broken.  Pile of rubble.  One breath.  Not getting up.

And this is the happy ending?