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[Father_Jerusalem]

Reorte wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Really? Liara, Ashley, Kaiden, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Samara, Jack, Miranda, Javik, etc won't be happy to... not be dead? Yes they've lost people, yes they've lost Shepard, so yes they will be sad. But they'll be able to be hopeful about the future without the giant cloud of Reaper-led extinction surrounding them.

Is it Disney cheesetastic? No. But it's absolutely a hopeful ending. For the setting, for the characters, and for the story.

At least some of them, particularly a LI, won't be happy at all. I'm sure "hope" was the main thing on the minds of everyone who's ever lost a loved one in a war that their country happened to win. And as well for the soldiers who return from it and find life incredibly difficult.

Okay, first off, this isn't "a" war. This is "The" war. The stakes are you win, or you go extinct. In that situation, the simple fact that you get to live to see the future IS a reason to be happy. Yes there are billions dead, yes whole worlds have to be rebuilt, yes people have lost friends and family - but you get to LIVE to see those worlds rebuilt. THAT is the point. 

Mass Effect isn't A war story. It's THE war story.

[macrocarl]

Also, while I loved the 1st ME's ending, the 2nd one was kind of wonky. Big Boss Robot man with Space wang dangling in the breeze......... Made me scrunch up my face.

[Bfler]

xsdob wrote...

Isn't everyone complaining that shepard doesn't live is a bad ending also forcing their own opinions on what a happy ending is onto everyone else? Seems to be both sides pushing their definition of happy ending onto everyone else and saying if they don't comply their either childish or a falsely mature and a bioware cultist.

With the difference, that people who want an happy ending, don't want to deny the other group the (dark) ending. The counter group claims everytime it doesn't fit and therefore it must not be.

Modifié par Bfler, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:42 .

[Apocaleepse360]

A happy ending would have been nice. And the people telling me to "grow up" for wanting a happy ending need to grow up themselves, as I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else.

[Ridwan]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Those aren't pretend happy games, but actual happy games (except for the fact Hello Kitty Island Adeventures doesn't exist). Cause you know, families actually have fun playing these together. I know it's crazy. Video games should be thrown in the kids room where they can play in the dark instead.

Heavy Rain and other pretend "art" games however at least tells us in advance that "this is going to be a long boring game for those that are too afraid to be seen playing Mario. Watch the Hero brush his teeth for five minutes and decide whether you wanna play it or not". In Mass Effect 3, we were under the illusion that things were going to end well. That there might be some losses, but that we would kick some Reaper ass. Have Shepard highfive Garrus, chest bump Vega, Brofist Wrex, get busy between the sheets with Liara and all the other good stuff after celebrating our victory and mourning our dead.

By the way, the best stories in life were always those that ended well.

Mass Effect is not, never was, and never will be a "family" game. There are PLENTY of family games out there if that's what you're looking for. Play one of those instead.

YOU simply cannot stand anything that is NOT a family game and does not have sparkles and candy. That is a problem YOU have, not a problem with Mass Effect. If you were under the illusion that you were going to get a unicorns and fairies ending in ME3, quite simply, you weren't paying attention.

By the way, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

I didn't say Mass Effect was a family game, I corrected your post about Super Mario being "pretend happy" when they're actually happy games.

I find it laughable that the so called "mature" crowd can't handle happy endings.

The Big Lebowski had a happy ending by the way. He got a new rug, which was actually the only thing he really wanted.

[Iakus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Really? Liara, Ashley, Kaiden, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Samara, Jack, Miranda, Javik, etc won't be happy to... not be dead? Yes they've lost people, yes they've lost Shepard, so yes they will be sad. But they'll be able to be hopeful about the future without the giant cloud of Reaper-led extinction surrounding them.

Is it Disney cheesetastic? No. But it's absolutely a hopeful ending. For the setting, for the characters, and for the story.

But it's not Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Samara, Miranda, Javik's story. It's Shepard's story.  It's hard to be hopeful about Shepard when he's dead or appears close to death.

And there are people who want Sheaprd to live.  It's okay to want an ending where SHepard dies.  Heck, you've got you're pick, as all but one of them do just that.

[ld1449]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Those aren't pretend happy games, but actual happy games (except for the fact Hello Kitty Island Adeventures doesn't exist). Cause you know, families actually have fun playing these together. I know it's crazy. Video games should be thrown in the kids room where they can play in the dark instead.

Heavy Rain and other pretend "art" games however at least tells us in advance that "this is going to be a long boring game for those that are too afraid to be seen playing Mario. Watch the Hero brush his teeth for five minutes and decide whether you wanna play it or not". In Mass Effect 3, we were under the illusion that things were going to end well. That there might be some losses, but that we would kick some Reaper ass. Have Shepard highfive Garrus, chest bump Vega, Brofist Wrex, get busy between the sheets with Liara and all the other good stuff after celebrating our victory and mourning our dead.

By the way, the best stories in life were always those that ended well.

Mass Effect is not, never was, and never will be a "family" game. There are PLENTY of family games out there if that's what you're looking for. Play one of those instead.

YOU simply cannot stand anything that is NOT a family game and does not have sparkles and candy. That is a problem YOU have, not a problem with Mass Effect. If you were under the illusion that you were going to get a unicorns and fairies ending in ME3, quite simply, you weren't paying attention.

By the way, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

And everything you've stated so far is nothing more than yours. Why is his any less valid?

YOU believe that these endings are hopeful. YOU believe that there is no reason that a hapy ending should exist in this game. YOU believe that this thing is within the theme of the game.

People disagree because that's their opinion. So again I fail to see why his or anyone elses opinion should be dismissed because it doesn't fit into the game that YOU wanted and that YOU got.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

[Ridwan]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Getting lied to is my fault now?

[Apocaleepse360]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Maybe BioWare shouldn't have made ME1 and ME2's endings have the potential to be good.

[Father_Jerusalem]

iakus wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...


Really? Liara, Ashley, Kaiden, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Samara, Jack, Miranda, Javik, etc won't be happy to... not be dead? Yes they've lost people, yes they've lost Shepard, so yes they will be sad. But they'll be able to be hopeful about the future without the giant cloud of Reaper-led extinction surrounding them.

Is it Disney cheesetastic? No. But it's absolutely a hopeful ending. For the setting, for the characters, and for the story.

But it's not Liara, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Samara, Miranda, Javik's story. It's Shepard's story.  It's hard to be hopeful about Shepard when he's dead or appears close to death.

And there are people who want Sheaprd to live.  It's okay to want an ending where SHepard dies.  Heck, you've got you're pick, as all but one of them do just that.

And ever since the first announcement for ME3, it was said that it was the end of Shepard's story. If you expected brofists and hugs with that kind of foreshadowing... then I don't know what to tell you.

Shepard lives on in the people he met... in the lives that he changed... he doesn't need to be alive to live on.

[Vox Draco]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Yeah, as if a "happy ending" meant that the billions already dead come back to life and hte planets destroyed all are magically rebuild. This argument is getting older than the Reapers are by now, and makes as much sense as they did in the end...

[Love Sherri]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

A happy ending would have been nice. And the people telling me to "grow up" for wanting a happy ending need to grow up themselves, as I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else.

No, you're not allowed.

You're being whiny, entitled, nitpicking, shoving your view down other people's throats and forcing all the mature adults to spoonfed you your lunch.

[Ridwan]

A good game has a good ending that leaves you with a sense of accomplishment and the feeling of replaying it again, to see how much better you can do this time.

[Ryzaki]

Vox Draco wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Yeah, as if a "happy ending" meant that the billions already dead come back to life and hte planets destroyed all are magically rebuild. This argument is getting older than the Reapers are by now, and makes as much sense as they did in the end...

QFT

[Love Sherri]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ever since the first announcement for ME3, it was said that it was the end of Shepard's story.  If you expected brofists and hugs with that kind of foreshadowing... then I don't know what to tell you.

End of Story =/= MIA, body under rubble

Modifié par Love Sherri, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:53 .

[Iakus]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

And ever since the first announcement for ME3, it was said that it was the end of Shepard's story. If you expected brofists and hugs with that kind of foreshadowing... then I don't know what to tell you.

Shepard lives on in the people he met... in the lives that he changed... he doesn't need to be alive to live on.

End of story=/=end of life.  I have read plenty of books, seen plenty of movies, and played plenty of games where the protagonist's story ended, but said protaginist didn't die.  

I'm not opposed to endings where Shepard does die.  But given there are many Shepards out there who walk different paths, there should also be options where Shepard can live.  Player agency should be acknowledged.  People survive their stories.  Even war stories.

[chemiclord]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

A happy ending would have been nice. And the people telling me to "grow up" for wanting a happy ending need to grow up themselves, as I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else.

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here needs to "grow up."  There's nothing wrong with wanting, or even expecting, happy endings.  It doesn't make you a child, or some ditzy romantic.

I would like people to understand, that with the ending we're stuck with, a "golden ending" doesn't fit.  It completely contradicts the philosophical question which has no "right" answer.  It's actually not there for the reason that so many people complain about... to have it wouldn't make any sense.  

There's no question involved when there is a "happy" option.  It's just a "yeah, yeah, shut up with your philosophy so I can do [X]."

As the ending itself is not going to change, this is one of the few things the endings we're given do right.

Modifié par chemiclord, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:55 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

M25105 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Getting lied to is my fault now?

No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

[Ridwan]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Getting lied to is my fault now?

No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

No we didn't. We saw a lot of dead people on our way thinking we were going to make all the Reapers pay, celebrate our costly victory and get drunk. Instead we got the dumb ass kid, trying to order us around and a crappy ending that spits on our effort.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone here needs to "grow up."  There's nothing wrong with wanting, or even expecting, happy endings.  It doesn't make you a child, or some ditzy romantic.

I would like people to understand, that with the ending we're stuck with, a "golden ending" doesn't fit.  It completely contradicts the philosophical question which has no "right" answer.  It's actually not there for the reason that so many people complain about... to have it wouldn't make any sense.  

There's no question involved when there is a "happy" option.  It's just a "yeah, yeah, shut up with your philosophy so I can do [X]."

As the ending itself is not going to change, this is one of the few things the endings we're given do right.

Even if Shepard definitively lived in Destroy and reunited with crew/LI, there is no "Golden Ending"  Shepard spurned the power of the gods, there are no Reapers to help rebuild.  There is no nigh-invincible Reaper fleet to protect and keep the peace.  There is no galactic harmony besides the unification that came about to stop the Reapers to begin with.  No Reaper knowledge, no green space magic universal understanding.  The galaxy is composed entirely of mere mortals, who now have to find their own path.

Oh, and no synthetics either...

Modifié par iakus, 06 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[77boy84]

I really don't get why people are against a happy ending.

The idea of your ending being happy if you did everything perfectly, and made the right choices has been reinforced by Bioware since the first freaking game. I can't believe that this is something people are against all of a sudden.  Where the heck were you guys everytime Bioware said it? No one ever said "You know, I hope there is no happy ending, and that instead of the ending being the culmination of all of our choices over three games, it's just based off of one choice at the very end that doesn't make much sense anyway"

[Iakus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

We wanted an ending like how ME1 and ME2 had.  Of course we're suprised when ME3 fails to deliver.

[YouHaveAProblem]

 I don't really mind the sad ending, would of course liked a happy one, but the incredibly bad science and the ridiculous Crucible plot was what ruined it for me.

[Love Sherri]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Then maybe you should have played a game that isn't about galactic war where millions of people die. It's your own fault.

Getting lied to is my fault now?

No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

1.  I wasn't suprised.
2.  I was sad when Mordin, Thane and Wrex died.
3.  I know there are sacrifices and have no problem with losing buddies. See point #2.
4.  I personally perfer the Control ending.
5.  I like gothic stories (ex Jane Eyre)

......and I still desired a "happy" ending, an expounded upon breath scene or even a LI reunite.  My bad.