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[Brovikk Rasputin]

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

We wanted an ending like how ME1 and ME2 had.  Of course we're suprised when ME3 fails to deliver.

ME2 happy ending: Everyone survives survives the suicide mission.
ME3 happy ending: Everyone on board the Normandy survives, Shepard survives.

How is that any less happy than 2?

[barbara2012]

Anyway people shepard saga is over, finito, acabado,..... people like me got a hope like a happy end and people "mature" got their dark , sad and cliche heroic end....thanks to you all..... this debate was interesting.......

[Vox Draco]

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

We wanted an ending like how ME1 and ME2 had.  Of course we're suprised when ME3 fails to deliver.

Or Dragon Age Origins. Still the most superior of all endings in a Bioware Game, as far as I am concerned.

You want your heroic sacrifice? Do it? You want to cowardly sacrifice a friend? Do it! You want to sacrifice the villain? Do it! You want a way out and have everyone alive, though with an unknown price to pay? Do it!

The enemy is defeated nevertheless, but the outcome for your protagonist and friends quite different. I like that still the most, and would pay greatly for a retcon of ME3 to give us something similiar.

[chemiclord]

77boy84 wrote...

I really don't get why people are against a happy ending.

The idea of your ending being happy if you did everything perfectly, and made the right choices has been reinforced by Bioware since the first freaking game. I can't believe that this is something people are against all of a sudden.  Where the heck were you guys everytime Bioware said it? No one ever said "You know, I hope there is no happy ending, and that instead of the ending being the culmination of all of our choices over three games, it's just based off of one choice at the very end that doesn't make much sense anyway"

I guess it depends on what you define as "happy."

I'd say that with a High EMS, all of them are pretty positive, and pretty damn "happy."  I'm sorry, but Bioware shouldn't have to hold your hand and explicity SHOW you your reunion in Destroy.  It's 1+1=2 at that point.  Those scenes don't play out if the conclusion is, "And then Shepard bled out.  The End."

But all three DO come with a cost.

If your version of happy is that there shouldn't be a cost at all, then... yes... I'm against it.  That's the point of this sort of ending, and to remove the cost from the equation removes the question entirely.  Then it really is nothing more than "choose your color", which was supposedly oh so terrible in the original endings.

If your argument is that the cost doesn't make sense, then I think we'll find ourselves more in agreement.  I do believe Bioware chose the wrong "cost" for their options, and because of it, the cost feels forced.

[corporal doody]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Synthesis is taste-like-diabetes happy.

QFT

[Iakus]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ME2 happy ending: Everyone survives survives the suicide mission.
ME3 happy ending: Everyone on board the Normandy survives, Shepard survives.

How is that any less happy than 2?

Because in ME2 Shepard climbs out of the rubble after defeating the Reaper Larva, and is helped back on board by Joker and squadmates.

In ME3, Shepard appears to be barely clinging to life, still buried in rubble, and there is no one around to help.

[Octopus_DK]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ME2 happy ending: Everyone survives survives the suicide mission.
ME3 happy ending: Everyone on board the Normandy survives, Shepard survives.

How is that any less happy than 2?

Taking a short one second breath isn't exactly the same as boldly escaping the collectors and getting to see Shepard going to work with his squad to prepare for the reaper invasion. ME2 felt like a win in the happy ending. ME3 feels like a loss to me in most endings, it just doesn't feel like you beat the game.

[77boy84]

chemiclord wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

I really don't get why people are against a happy ending.

The idea of your ending being happy if you did everything perfectly, and made the right choices has been reinforced by Bioware since the first freaking game. I can't believe that this is something people are against all of a sudden.  Where the heck were you guys everytime Bioware said it? No one ever said "You know, I hope there is no happy ending, and that instead of the ending being the culmination of all of our choices over three games, it's just based off of one choice at the very end that doesn't make much sense anyway"

I guess it depends on what you define as "happy."

I'd say that with a High EMS, all of them are pretty positive, and pretty damn "happy."  I'm sorry, but Bioware shouldn't have to hold your hand and explicity SHOW you your reunion in Destroy.  It's 1+1=2 at that point.  Those scenes don't play out if the conclusion is, "And then Shepard bled out.  The End."

But all three DO come with a cost.

If your version of happy is that there shouldn't be a cost at all, then... yes... I'm against it.  That's the point of this sort of ending, and to remove the cost from the equation removes the question entirely.  Then it really is nothing more than "choose your color", which was supposedly oh so terrible in the original endings.

If your argument is that the cost doesn't make sense, then I think we'll find ourselves more in agreement.  I do believe Bioware chose the wrong "cost" for their options, and because of it, the cost feels forced.

A happy ending would be one that just makes you feel good for beating it. Something that feels satisfying. ME1 and 2 felt great to beat. ME3 felt terrible, because it's all just a mess, and the more you think about any of the endings, the worse they get.

ME1+2 were hopeful, even if you had to make sacrifices, and had to deal with loss, you could still hope for the future. ME3... not so much.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ME2 happy ending: Everyone survives survives the suicide mission.
ME3 happy ending: Everyone on board the Normandy survives, Shepard survives.

How is that any less happy than 2?

Because in ME2 Shepard climbs out of the rubble after defeating the Reaper Larva, and is helped back on board by Joker and squadmates.

In ME3, Shepard appears to be barely clinging to life, still buried in rubble, and there is no one around to help.

Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

[babymoon]

Octopus_DK wrote...

Taking a short one second breath isn't exactly the same as boldly escaping the collectors and getting to see Shepard going to work with his squad to prepare for the reaper invasion. ME2 felt like a win in the happy ending. ME3 feels like a loss to me in most endings, it just doesn't feel like you beat the game.

Basically.

It just felt like a cliffhanger, and that I should be waiting for another game to know what happened. I hate that my Shepard's story ended like this.

Modifié par babymoon, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[comrade gando]

I wanted an ending that made sense, and made me want to play this game again. I didn't get either. Just more artistic integrity garbage.

[Vox Draco]

chemiclord wrote...
I'd say that with a High EMS, all of them are pretty positive, and pretty damn "happy."  I'm sorry, but Bioware shouldn't have to hold your hand and explicity SHOW you your reunion in Destroy.  It's 1+1=2 at that point.  Those scenes don't play out if the conclusion is, "And then Shepard bled out.  The End."

Now one thing I don't get with this argument is: So Shepard is supposed to still be alive in the end. The breathe is at the very end. Before Hackett tells us how the relays are rebuild, the LI returns from her fun-cruise and doesn't put the plaque on the memorial board...and the nthe breathe...

Where have all the complaints about illogical plotjoles gone? Is this supposed to be Tarantino.style of telling the story? Even then it doesn't make that much sense...especially when you think everybody is rebuilding already but nobody seems to care if their hero is still alive and doesn't even mention this...

I also get that Bioware is implying that shepard lives in the end...but the way they are "showing" it is utterly ridiculous. This has nothing to do with "spoon-feeding". Nobody complains that synthesis and control get more content, but why was it needed to explain green and blue anyway, isn't the whole EC spoonfeeding by showing more instead of leaving it open to our imagination?

[sentinel_87]

The last image I saw in the Mass Effect series was someone, I know it is supposed to be Shepard, lying in a pile of rubble. This is not a high point to end a three game series on in my opinion.

[Peranor]

I don't see the problem. Synthesis is in the game. And if you accept that as a part of the ending to this "dark and realistic war game" then you should have no problem with personal happy ending for shepard either, considering there's more basis in reality for THAT one.

[D24O]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

IMO they could've had Coates or Baily, or even Aria coming along to pick him up in the breath scene. Would've been easy to make a lot of people happy IMO, just adding this would shut up all the people who don;t get that he lives.

[Bfler]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

Modifié par Bfler, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .

[PrimeOfValor]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

iakus wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
No but wanting a happy ending in a war game, and then acting all sad and surprised when people die at the end sure is. We knew there would be sacrifices. 

We wanted an ending like how ME1 and ME2 had.  Of course we're suprised when ME3 fails to deliver.

ME2 happy ending: Everyone survives survives the suicide mission.
ME3 happy ending: Everyone on board the Normandy survives, Shepard survives.

How is that any less happy than 2?

Sorry, but we want straight answers, not speculation in our heads on how it could happen.  Isn't how this whole controversy started in the first place? No offense.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Bfler wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

The many many people on board the Citadel?

[Eryri]

Yes I wanted, and still want, a happy ending.

I bought this game, new and at full price, because I was expecting a fun, good old-fashioned, sci-fi adventure. You know... like the first 2 games were. They were thoroughly entertaining and didn't take themselves too seriously.

I paid to be entertained, to have fun. I did not pay to experience an artificially imposed "Sophie's Choice" ending, in which I was forced to pick one of 3 unpleasant options, each with an arbitrarily assigned cost, that did not flow naturally from the narrative.

[Ryzaki]

Bfler wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

This. And who knows how long that thing took to rebuild! Let alone get to wherever Shep was!

[chemiclord]

77boy84 wrote...

A happy ending would be one that just makes you feel good for beating it. Something that feels satisfying. ME1 and 2 felt great to beat. ME3 felt terrible, because it's all just a mess, and the more you think about any of the endings, the worse they get.

ME1+2 were hopeful, even if you had to make sacrifices, and had to deal with loss, you could still hope for the future. ME3... not so much.

What would make you "feel good for beating it?"  What would make you feel "hopeful?"  Those are emotions.  Emotions can't be programmed into a game.  Those are reactions to what is in front of you.  What?  Should Bioware just keep churning out endings until you finally get one that makes you "feel good?"

If you don't even know what you want to see... how can you expect Bioware to give it to you?

[Octopus_DK]

Bfler wrote...

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

Interesting. Who twitted that? That has been a point of contention for a long time, would be nice to know.

[Iakus]

sentinel_87 wrote...

The last image I saw in the Mass Effect series was someone, I know it is supposed to be Shepard, lying in a pile of rubble. This is not a high point to end a three game series on in my opinion.

This.  

Of all things not to "clairify" and bring closure to, it's this scene? 

[Bfler]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

The many many people on board the Citadel?

Highly improbable, after the Reapers took control of the Citadel.

Modifié par Bfler, 06 juillet 2012 - 07:29 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Bfler wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
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Well, he just woke up after falling a very long way, and since we only see a couple of seconds of footage, how do you know that no one is around to help? You're assuming the worst. 

Someone on Twitter said a while ago, that he is still on the Citadel. So, who else is there? 

The many many people on board the Citadel?

Highly improbable, after the Raepers took control of the Citadel.

So people just disappeared when Shepard went up to the Catalyst on that platform?