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[Ashen One]

Kyerea wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

What do people accomplish by posting these kinds of threads? Did a GI steal all your kills and now your venting? Because you know that their are other games out there right? Just because you don't like a certain game, doesn't mean you have the right to come on here and whine about it.
BSN represents such a small fraction of the community, and the balance kiddies represent an even smaller fraction. Just because you think it's OP, doesn't mean everybody who plays Mass Effect does as well.
/rant over

Exactly.

The people who post speed run vids or speed-solo vids represent a fraction of people who exploit builds, enemy patterns, spawns or map layout to succeed in their gambit. Does it mean the char is broken? Not necessarily, it simply means these players know the game and understand how it works to achieve said speed-runs.

This.

I played an Unknown/Unknown/Gold game with 3 other people from BSN yesterday, and the map came up Glacier/Geth. Including myself two of the others knew how to speed run (One was a Claymore GI, the other a Melee GI, and I was a GE) so we stomped the Geth in 14 minutes, regardless of the fact that we didn't know what enemy we were facing beforehand and were not using builds optimized for speed runs. I scored well over 100K, (very close to the scores of the GIs, which also scored over 100K) but that doesn't mean the Geth Engineer is OP, it means that I have a good enough understanding of the game mechanics and spawn points to faceroll gold with any class.

[Kronner]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

BlackoutOmega wrote...

What do people accomplish by posting these kinds of threads? Did a GI steal all your kills and now your venting? Because you know that their are other games out there right? Just because you don't like a certain game, doesn't mean you have the right to come on here and whine about it.
BSN represents such a small fraction of the community, and the balance kiddies represent an even smaller fraction. Just because you think it's OP, doesn't mean everybody who plays Mass Effect does as well.
/rant over

Exactly.

The people who post speed run vids or speed-solo vids represent a fraction of people who exploit builds, enemy patterns, spawns or map layout to succeed in their gambit. Does it mean the char is broken? Not necessarily, it simply means these players know the game and understand how it works to achieve said speed-runs.

This.

I played an Unknown/Unknown/Gold game with 3 other people from BSN yesterday, and the map came up Glacier/Geth. Including myself two of the others knew how to speed run (One was a Claymore GI, the other a Melee GI, and I was a GE) so we stomped the Geth in 14 minutes, regardless of the fact that we didn't know what enemy we were facing beforehand and were not using builds optimized for speed runs. I scored well over 100K, (very close to the scores of the GIs, which also scored over 100K) but that doesn't mean the Geth Engineer is OP, it means that I have a good enough understanding of the game mechanics and spawn points to faceroll gold with any class.

Pretty much. Hell, even the ever-hated BatSentinel is crazy good if you can use him well.

[SkreeMalicious]

other nerf-calling threads made by the OP


Proof the Geth Infiltrator is ridiculously overpowered (another identical GI nerf calls thread)
http://social.biowar.../index/12242964

This game doesn't make any sense (giant list of nerf calls)
http://social.biowar.../index/12572775

some quotes from the OP for those that dont want to wade through 8 pages

as he says:

"I almost never use infiltrators"
 
But you seem to know enough about them to claim they are gods.


"You can do crazy stuff with pretty much every single class in the game, but IMO using a GI is just cheap."
 
And... stasis bubble trapping phantoms is cheap, but thats what asari do... 'cheap' is in eye of beholder.

"Of course there will always be a best class"
"I just want a balanced game, that's all."

Basically you are admitting it will never be balanced, but you want to keep nerfing...

"all infiltrators are still broken. But the GI is even more broken."
All infiltrators are still broken? Please illustrate.

"That's one thing I don't like about the GI. He's already a God on the battlefield"
"No character should be a God on the battlefield"

You got that right. But last I checked gods dont die on the battlefield every 5 seconds while risking their neck for more damage, and no, not talking about my own experience with GI, i play SI. But every single other GI ive met dies regularily, even the ones who do pretty damn well otherwise.
I have yet to meet these gods....


Anyways, as they say in the art world,
It is easy to criticize, but hard to create.
Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This is not checkers, its chess. some pieces can do things differently than others.

Modifié par SkreeMalicious, 06 juillet 2012 - 08:58 .

[SilentBacon]

Seems to be working fine...maybe your disc is messed up. Oh yeah I forgot, it's a game. Not everything is gonna be perfect and work to your liking at all times.

[Ashen One]

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This post along with the Krysae in your signature makes me laugh.

[SkreeMalicious]

Ashen Earth wrote...

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This post along with the Krysae in your signature makes me laugh.

Hey atleast you dont see me making nerf everything else threads

[The Waffle Cat]

COOL STORY BRO.

Lets nerf all the things

[Kyerea]

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This post along with the Krysae in your signature makes me laugh.

Hey atleast you dont see me making nerf everything else threads

My Javelin says hi. :3

[Ashen One]

Kyerea wrote...

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

SkreeMalicious wrote...

Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This post along with the Krysae in your signature makes me laugh.

Hey atleast you dont see me making nerf everything else threads

My Javelin says hi. :3

inb4 "nerf the Javelin"

It's already useless.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

That's not broken. You were using insane amounts of equipment. Not to mention the fact that the Claymore is the most powerful weapon on the game.

A human adept can't come close to that. Biotics need boosting.

[Feneckus]

 

SkreeMalicious wrote...

This game doesn't make any sense (giant list of nerf calls)
http://social.biowar.../index/12572775

What ? If anything, I was calling for buffs in that thread. 

SkreeMalicious wrote...

some quotes from the OP for those that dont want to wade through 8 pages

as he says:

"I almost never use infiltrators"

You took it out of context. I said "when I play with you guys". I do use infiltrators when playing with randoms because then I know we'll get the credits 95% of the time, no matter how bad my teammates are.
 

"You can do crazy stuff with pretty much every single class in the game, but IMO using a GI is just cheap."
 
And... stasis bubble trapping phantoms is cheap, but thats what asari do... 'cheap' is in eye of beholder.

Asari Vanguards are great against Cerberus, but they're not as good against Reapers, unless it's on a small map. They're actually balanced. If they could stasis Primes/Banshees, you'd have a point. Meanwhile, the GI is great against every single faction, on every single map.

"Of course there will always be a best class"
"I just want a balanced game, that's all."

Basically you are admitting it will never be balanced, but you want to keep nerfing...

If the best class is not so much above the rest that it makes some choices completely stupid then there's balance. I don't see how those two statements contradict each other.

[BlackoutOmega]

SkreeMalicious wrote...
Anyways, as they say in the art world,
It is easy to criticize, but hard to create.
Perhaps instead of constant nerf calls, you could spend time proposing buffs for the weaker combinations of race/classes? 

This is not checkers, its chess. some pieces can do things differently than others.

The most intelligent thing I have heard on BSN. Exactly that. 
I love threads that suggest new classes, instead of complaining about old ones.
Hell, I saw someone who though that TC is overpowered, but instead of posting threads complaining about it, he suggested an ex-cerberus nemesis, an infiltrator without Tactical Cloak, but instead replacing it with a skill thats main purpose is to increase damage, yet doesn't make you invisible. THAT'S what I like to see.

EDIT: http://social.biowar.../index/12886688 This is the class I was talking about.

Modifié par BlackoutOmega, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:11 .

[BlackoutOmega]

Feneckus wrote...
Asari Vanguards are great against Cerberus, but they're not as good against Reapers, unless it's on a small map. They're actually balanced. If they could stasis Primes/Banshees, you'd have a point. Meanwhile, the GI is great against every single faction, on every single map.

Every class can be great on every map, when spec'd the right way, and when it is in the hands of the right player. Your logic is flawed sir.

[Ashen One]

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Feneckus wrote...
Asari Vanguards are great against Cerberus, but they're not as good against Reapers, unless it's on a small map. They're actually balanced. If they could stasis Primes/Banshees, you'd have a point. Meanwhile, the GI is great against every single faction, on every single map.

Every class can be great on every map, when spec'd the right way, and when it is in the hands of the right player. Your logic is flawed sir.

This.

I think the main problem with people whining about classes being OP is that they don't know how to make good, versatile class builds. I have no trouble keeping up with Geth Infiltrators that are around my skill level when I use other classes, and utterly outperform them in PUGs regardless of my class choice, the map, or enemy faction.

[Kronner]

Ashen Earth wrote...

I think the main problem with people whining about classes being OP is that they don't know how to make good, versatile class builds. I have no trouble keeping up with Geth Infiltrators that are around my skill level when I use other classes, and utterly outperform them in PUGs regardless of my class choice, the map, or enemy faction.

I've had the exact same experience you describe here. 

[Feneckus]

BlackoutOmega wrote...

Every class can be great on every map, when spec'd the right way, and when it is in the hands of the right player. Your logic is flawed sir.

No. A good player can make every class work, but he can't do magical things. A Female Quarian Engineer will always strugge against shields/barriers, unless you use the Reegar. A great novaguard with no other biotics on the team won't be as effective against Reapers as he is against Geth.  Great Asari Vanguards/Batarian Sentinels can't dominate as much on Condor/Reapers as they can on Glacier/Cerberus.

I didn't say some builds were useless on certain map/enemy combos. Some builds can't always reach their true potential.

[AmicusHumaniGeneris]

The GI does well at what it's supposed to do - boss killing? BRING THE NERF GUN!

[AmicusHumaniGeneris]

Kronner wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

I think the main problem with people whining about classes being OP is that they don't know how to make good, versatile class builds. I have no trouble keeping up with Geth Infiltrators that are around my skill level when I use other classes, and utterly outperform them in PUGs regardless of my class choice, the map, or enemy faction.

I've had the exact same experience you describe here. 

This.

[landylan]

all infiltrators are like that. the hunter mode doesnt give that huge of a damage boost. atleast the geth IS squishy. i felt like all infiltrators should be squishy. the salarian can tank geth pretty much.

yea i know you said being squishy isnt an excuse

Modifié par landylan, 06 juillet 2012 - 10:51 .

[The Waffle Cat]

IN OTHER NEWS : BATARIANS MAD ABOUT SENTINELS



balak told me he thought batarian sentinels wearing eagles are OP because some batarian slugheads cant play them and batarian beasts can play them, he being a slughead he said this in an interview :

"They dont live up to the batarian standard to die as first, the human blights manage to die before us even though kar'shan was targeted first so our noobs should die first!"

When our human interviewer asked him : "why dont you L2P instead of calling for nerfs?"

He pulled his gun out and shot the reporter



As Balak grinned about the reporter her death he said :

"L2P is too difficult, I rather cry for nerfs so good batarians can see my sk1llz"



This was B. Rotarian signing out for the Skyllian Blitz newsposts

[Ashen One]

[quote]Feneckus wrote...

[quote]BlackoutOmega wrote...

Every class can be great on every map, when spec'd the right way, and when it is in the hands of the right player. Your logic is flawed sir.

[/quote]

No. A good player can make every class work, but he can't do magical things. A Female Quarian Engineer will always strugge against shields/barriers, unless you use the Reegar.[/quote]

My FQE laughs at factions with shielded enemies because between a staggerlocking Sentry Turret, AoE Cryo Blast (which staggers) AoE Incinerate (which staggers, along as making organics panic) and a level X Scorpion pistol (also staggerlocks) I don't need a shield stripping ability. Geth and Cerberus are pretty much a joke because I can staggerlock them all. Reapers are also a joke because I have 2 anti-armor abilities.

[quote]Feneckus wrote...
A great novaguard with no other biotics on the team won't be as effective against Reapers as he is against Geth. [/quote]

That same Novaguard with the right weapon can be effective enough. If I'm playing Unknown/Unknow/Gold with a Novaguard, I use a shotgun rail III and AP ammo IV because he has no anti-armor abilites, and the shield gate is pretty much a joke to anyone using a shotgun. If it comes up Reapers, I can kill a Brute in in seconds with a Wraith, and *gasp* I didn't even have to use a Geth Infiltrator.

[/quote]

Dominating the enemy has everything to do with player skill, and knowing how to compensate for your weaknesses and nothing to do with class/race choice.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 06 juillet 2012 - 11:00 .

[HinDae]

Bah, I'll take my FQI any day, speced for utility and hacking.

I see less and less people running GI post nerf, I enjoyed playing it when I unlocked him, but after a while I just couldnt be bothered being that guy in it for the points and e-peen boost.

[Kyerea]

[quote]Ashen Earth wrote...

[quote]Feneckus wrote...

[quote]BlackoutOmega wrote...

Every class can be great on every map, when spec'd the right way, and when it is in the hands of the right player. Your logic is flawed sir.

[/quote]

No. A good player can make every class work, but he can't do magical things. A Female Quarian Engineer will always strugge against shields/barriers, unless you use the Reegar.[/quote]

My FQE laughs at factions with shielded enemies because between a staggerlocking Sentry Turret, AoE Cryo Blast (which staggers) AoE Incinerate (which staggers, along as making organics panic) and a level X Scorpion pistol (also staggerlocks) I don't need a shield stripping ability. Geth and Cerberus are pretty much a joke because I can staggerlock them all. Reapers are also a joke because I have 2 anti-armor abilities.

[quote]Feneckus wrote...
A great novaguard with no other biotics on the team won't be as effective against Reapers as he is against Geth. [/quote]

That same Novaguard with the right weapon can be effective enough. If I'm playing Unknown/Unknow/Gold with a Novaguard, I use a shotgun rail III and AP ammo IV because he has no anti-armor abilites, and the shield gate is pretty much a joke to anyone using a shotgun. If it comes up Reapers, I can kill a Brute in in seconds with a Wraith, and *gasp* I didn't even have to use a Geth Infiltrator.

[/quote]

Dominating the enemy has everything to do with player skill, and knowing how to compensate for your weaknesses and nothing to do with class/race choice.

[/quote]

No matter how much you want to nerf and balance this game, that sentence from Ashen sums it up. If you are so insecure about your own score/e-peen in a co-op game that you have to demand this or that needs to be nerfed. Then either get better at the game or go play a game that has a real online competitive experience.

[DarkSpooky]

..... and 4chan has returned. Goddamn it can we go ONE WEEK without someone whining about how good they can do? How about this, would this make you happy?

Everyone is human soldier, AR gives no reload or shield, and CS is dumbed down to just knock down husks and nerfed so that they do not go sliding, and you only get one frag for the entire game. The only weapons you can take are Predator and Shuriken.

Is this what you want the game reduced to?

Can I report this topic as spam? We certainly see enough of these topics.

[gyuuniku]

I recall some other game that shared OP's opinion on these "balances"... it's coming back to me... League of... something.

Anyway, they have almost 100 different classes (characters), and every other week or so they'd patch and "balance" the game. By balance I meant they would tell you "oh the tank doesn't do enough damage late game? let's buff the damage" or "oh your damage dealer isn't tanky enough to survive late game? let's give her more armor and health!" No need to hang on to the individuality that enticed you about these game elements! Let's have them ALL kill atlases in 8 seconds.

Seriously if you figure out the name of that game, you'd have fun.