silentassassin264 wrote...
Fine by me. I wouldn't mind a little RTSing with war assets but that is just me.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
Fine by me. I wouldn't mind a little RTSing with war assets but that is just me.
I would normally be all for this... if I didn't play ME on a console.
I've played RTSs on a console before... they don't work so well compared to the PC.
Another mechanic that would've been nice to see would've been something like the Assassin's Creed mechanic for assassin missions.
Lemme see if I can find a picture showing this that I found on the ME reddit....
Aha!
wantedman dan wrote...
Andy the Black wrote...
Also, Gandalf perry much dies of exhaustion after his fight with the Balrog. And he was a demigod... of sorts.
Gandalf is a testament to how beneficial it is to be pleasing to the gods in LOTR's universe. He only became a quasidemi-god after dying.
Modifié par LaughingDragon, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:16 .
Shaigunjoe wrote...
It isn't nitpicking. You are putting words into another author's mouth, words that he has never said, he never claimed to be responsible for the Dark Energy, nor was ME1 'his vision'. Saying otherwise is disrespectful. The first article that was linked to be 'quotes' from Drew K that were not, in fact, quotes from DK.
Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:15 .
LaughingDragon wrote...
Hi there everyone...
I notice more than a few people keep mentioning the crucible...
I would just like to point out that there really is no crucible in the Mass Effect Universe.
!! But wait, the crucible is in ME3 you say? Well yes, it is...but have you really given it a critical look?
What does the game tell us?
-Precise schematics for a device that have been "somehow" "inexplicably?" preserved for countless cycles, without the reapers finding the plans? (Vigil ME1 says the reapers are thorough, patient, methodical, and utterly complete in their harvesting)
-Each cycle adding to it's design?
-Super easy to build with practically zero learning curve or preparation? (the whole project is completed in how long?)
-Assumes prior knowledge of the "catalyst" after the "catalyst" itself says shepard is the first organic to reach him?
-a technology so advanced, it is able to kill only synthetics, assume control of all synthetics, or create a new form of synthetic life?
!! -the alliance is able to hide this massive weapon, AND a massive galactic fleet from invincible, ultra advanced, countless synthetics with untold scanning/detection ability who are invading the entire galaxy in every system?
Now ladies and gentleman... in light of details such as this, and other information I omitted, please ask yourself one simple question...
Does the crucible (an ultimate kill invincible reaper fleet weapon discovered moments before the reapers take control of mars) make sense in light of the ME Universe prior to ME3?
Or is it more likely that this plot device was utilized to meet budget, time and disc space (xbox360) limitations for the project in a practical sense?
Because I will tell you a fact, a conventional victory ME3 where your choices from all 3 games made a difference and you unite all the galaxy and defeat the reapers would have cost the game producer DOUBLE what it cost to use the crucible and railroad the game to the finish line.
Regardless of your feelings, what does an objective critical look make you think about this?
Andy the Black wrote...
Been a while snice I read The Silmarillion (it's hard, man) but... Gandalf was one of the Maiar, who were lesser Ainur. The Ainur are the ones who created the Universe through song... or somthing. Like I said, it's been a while.
Is that, Wrex?Ticonderoga117 wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
Fine by me. I wouldn't mind a little RTSing with war assets but that is just me.
I would normally be all for this... if I didn't play ME on a console.
I've played RTSs on a console before... they don't work so well compared to the PC.
Another mechanic that would've been nice to see would've been something like the Assassin's Creed mechanic for assassin missions.
Lemme see if I can find a picture showing this that I found on the ME reddit....
Aha!
Modifié par silentassassin264, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:21 .
Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
Shaigunjoe wrote...
It isn't nitpicking. You are putting words into another author's mouth, words that he has never said, he never claimed to be responsible for the Dark Energy, nor was ME1 'his vision'. Saying otherwise is disrespectful. The first article that was linked to be 'quotes' from Drew K that were not, in fact, quotes from DK.
ME1 was absolutely his vision. Casey Hudon was just a manager and contributed to the art. DK was lead writer and created the universe. Dark energy was something on the table when Drew was involved in the creative process. It was hinted at as well in ME2. It only dissappeared when he left. Funny that.
Modifié par Shaigunjoe, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:23 .
silentassassin264 wrote...
Is that, Wrex?
But yeah, they should have had something to do with extra teammates. I find it odd that you are going into the fight for all time and then you leave some squadmates behind. At least at the end of DA2, you give commands to your squadmates who are not directly under your control.
Shaigunjoe wrote...
Binary_Helix 1 wrote...
Shaigunjoe wrote...
It isn't nitpicking. You are putting words into another author's mouth, words that he has never said, he never claimed to be responsible for the Dark Energy, nor was ME1 'his vision'. Saying otherwise is disrespectful. The first article that was linked to be 'quotes' from Drew K that were not, in fact, quotes from DK.
ME1 was absolutely his vision. Casey Hudon was just a manager and contributed to the art. DK was lead writer and created the universe. Dark energy was something on the table when Drew was involved in the creative process. It was hinted at as well in ME2. It only dissappeared when he left. Funny that.
Whoa whoa whoa!
Ok, you are trolling. Casey Hudson was the project director, not some art manager. Pretty much all the evidence I need to see that you do not know what you are talking about. Casey Hudson is the very first name you see in the credits. Nice try though!
Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 07 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .
wantedman dan wrote...
Andy the Black wrote...
Been a while snice I read The Silmarillion (it's hard, man) but... Gandalf was one of the Maiar, who were lesser Ainur. The Ainur are the ones who created the Universe through song... or somthing. Like I said, it's been a while.
I wasn't aware of this.
), and there is a lot of lore thats not even covered in the main trilogy, the appendix at the end of Return of the King is like a zillion pages. Then you've got stuff like The Silmarillion...
silentassassin264 wrote...
If you are saying the Crucible is stupid then agree. The planet Ploba had been hinted to be a Jupiter brain supercomputer structure in the first 2 games and I think any Deus Ex Machina should have involved Ploba since it was legitimately foreshadowed. Finding a ancient Prothean superweapon on an archive that you have known about for 30 years is just god awful writing. The whole main story line in ME3 was horribly contrived. I believe we needed a Deus Ex machina plot device but it should have been a heck of a lot better than what was delivered.
Wishfulllama wrote...
At no point in ME1 or ME2 is it implied or stated that the reapers are impossible to defeat by conventional means alone, that argument is entirely an ME3 construct. In fact going into ME3 I was under the impression that the reapers were incredibly vulnerable to the threat posed by a united, well directed galactic force, and their tactics in previous cycles (flood through the citadel and take out the leadership structures in place, shut down the relay system to isolate pockets of resistance and then methodically overwhelm the organic species system by system) seems to reflect a fear of facing organic forces head on in an all out confrontation.
ME3 throws all this logic out the window, radically changing the nature of the reapers from an incredibly advanced but possibly defeat able foe into invincible god like constructs. To me it makes the plot of ME3 (gathering resources and allies to battle the reapers) seem like a rather pointless endeavour.
If you listened to Sovereign and thought the Reapers were afraid of us, there is something wrong with your hearing.Wishfulllama wrote...
At no point in ME1 or ME2 is it implied or stated that the reapers are impossible to defeat by conventional means alone, that argument is entirely an ME3 construct. In fact going into ME3 I was under the impression that the reapers were incredibly vulnerable to the threat posed by a united, well directed galactic force, and their tactics in previous cycles (flood through the citadel and take out the leadership structures in place, shut down the relay system to isolate pockets of resistance and then methodically overwhelm the organic species system by system) seems to reflect a fear of facing organic forces head on in an all out confrontation.
ME3 throws all this logic out the window, radically changing the nature of the reapers from an incredibly advanced but possibly defeat able foe into invincible god like constructs. To me it makes the plot of ME3 (gathering resources and allies to battle the reapers) seem like a rather pointless endeavour.
Andy the Black wrote...
silentassassin264 wrote...
If you are saying the Crucible is stupid then agree. The planet Ploba had been hinted to be a Jupiter brain supercomputer structure in the first 2 games and I think any Deus Ex Machina should have involved Ploba since it was legitimately foreshadowed. Finding a ancient Prothean superweapon on an archive that you have known about for 30 years is just god awful writing. The whole main story line in ME3 was horribly contrived. I believe we needed a Deus Ex machina plot device but it should have been a heck of a lot better than what was delivered.
Ahg! I love this idea. I always wished they did more with the random planet descriptions from the first two games in the third. Curse you and your pink hair for this great idea.
Andy the Black wrote...
Thats cool. The books aren't for everyone, they are freeking hard at times (though that could just be the dyslexia
Wishfulllama wrote...
At no point in ME1 or ME2 is it implied or stated that the reapers are impossible to defeat by conventional means alone, that argument is entirely an ME3 construct. In fact going into ME3 I was under the impression that the reapers were incredibly vulnerable to the threat posed by a united, well directed galactic force, and their tactics in previous cycles (flood through the citadel and take out the leadership structures in place, shut down the relay system to isolate pockets of resistance and then methodically overwhelm the organic species system by system) seems to reflect a fear of facing organic forces head on in an all out confrontation.
ME3 throws all this logic out the window, radically changing the nature of the reapers from an incredibly advanced but possibly defeat able foe into invincible god like constructs. To me it makes the plot of ME3 (gathering resources and allies to battle the reapers) seem like a rather pointless endeavour.
Nragedreaper wrote...
Everyone says you can't defeat the reapers conventionally throughout ME3. The defeat of soverign and the cost seems to confirm this point. Playing ME2 you realize that there have been some weapon and defense upgrades in response to the soverign threat. This gives the impression that there may be hope for conventional victory. In ME3 its mentioned that the reaper threat wasn't dismissed by everyone in every government. So this reinforced the thought that maybe there was some type of innovation or research into how to defeat the reapers. Consider this, on Rannoch Shepard finds a weakpoint on a reaper. Utilization of known weaknesses and the possibility that civilizations were secretly preparing for the possibility that Shepard is right would make it possible. The story progression also gives the impression that despite what everyone is saying conventional victory is possible. EDI's determination that Reapers are fallible based on a worm destroying a reaper. Shepard is able to destroy a reaper on Rannoch. (before you start picking this statement apart, consider the distance of a space battle versus attacking from orbit. Accuracy would have to suffer). I don't have a problem with using the crucible, I have a problem with the fact that I gather resources for something that no one in the galaxy is smart enough to figure out. Chorban could figure out the keepers have a sinister purpose from scanning some keepers, Miranda's father could figure out how to control the reapers. Yet we have no innovation or study by a Galaxy of scientist to figure out how the crucible works, how to control it, and how to use it, and then the SC points out the Galaxy's total stupidity by advising us how to use the device we built.
Wishfulllama wrote...
At no point in ME1 or ME2 is it implied or stated that the reapers are impossible to defeat by conventional means alone, that argument is entirely an ME3 construct. In fact going into ME3 I was under the impression that the reapers were incredibly vulnerable to the threat posed by a united, well directed galactic force, and their tactics in previous cycles (flood through the citadel and take out the leadership structures in place, shut down the relay system to isolate pockets of resistance and then methodically overwhelm the organic species system by system) seems to reflect a fear of facing organic forces head on in an all out confrontation.
ME3 throws all this logic out the window, radically changing the nature of the reapers from an incredibly advanced but possibly defeat able foe into invincible god like constructs. To me it makes the plot of ME3 (gathering resources and allies to battle the reapers) seem like a rather pointless endeavour.
LaughingDragon wrote...
1. Sovereign attacked with the entire GETH FLEET backing it up. Therefore, we have no way to know how difficult sovereign was to destroy because the presence of the geth fleet is a variable you can't factor.
silentassassin264 wrote...
If you listened to Sovereign and thought the Reapers were afraid of us, there is something wrong with your hearing.Wishfulllama wrote...
At no point in ME1 or ME2 is it implied or stated that the reapers are impossible to defeat by conventional means alone, that argument is entirely an ME3 construct. In fact going into ME3 I was under the impression that the reapers were incredibly vulnerable to the threat posed by a united, well directed galactic force, and their tactics in previous cycles (flood through the citadel and take out the leadership structures in place, shut down the relay system to isolate pockets of resistance and then methodically overwhelm the organic species system by system) seems to reflect a fear of facing organic forces head on in an all out confrontation.
ME3 throws all this logic out the window, radically changing the nature of the reapers from an incredibly advanced but possibly defeat able foe into invincible god like constructs. To me it makes the plot of ME3 (gathering resources and allies to battle the reapers) seem like a rather pointless endeavour.
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