wantedman dan wrote...
So basically, you've headcannoned that Synthetics aren't even affected by synthesis on the physical level, despite all synthetic and organic life being combined into a new framework and DNA. I see.
RiouHotaru wrote...
So...a large chunk of people hate Synthesis because it's ridiculously advanced science (coined as "Space Magic" because it's outside our realm of understanding)...
I mean, I accept that the game makes them a collective uploaded consciousness of entire civilizations (ME2 implied it with Legion's statements regarding Sovereign/Nazara, and then canonized it in ME3), but that doesn't make the process by which they do it any less ridiculous or space-magicky.
And then Control does the exact same thing to Shepard (breaks Shepard down and somehow uploads his/her consciousness).
Heeden wrote...
If by head-canoned you mean "listened to what the Catalyst says in the EC and noticed he doesn't mention a single physical change to Synthetics" then yes, but that's almost the opposite to head-canonning.
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Hackulator wrote...
Fawx9 wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
Everything in Mass Effect is Space Magic. Biotics, Mass Relays, FTL, Telepathy, Resurrection....it is ALL space magic, and people who say things like "oh well element zero explains it" are being retarded, cause all element zero is is more space magic.
It's space magic grounded within the confines of the story.
Every story requires some suspension of disbelief in order to work. We signed up with everything you mentioned being explained in some way within the story. This helped our suspension of disbelief to be set at a certain level.
The green wave of feelings, unicorns, rainbows and energy destorys it. It's nowhere close to what we had preparred for. The worst of it is that it happens at the very end with no build up, so of course most people are going WTF.
I don't get why this is such a hard concept to understand, if a story teller goes to far of course they're going to get people calling their story ridiculous.
The Crucible was part of the story for the entire third game, and throughout the game you learn that it is the combined work of EVERY cycle that has ever existed. Every type of technology that was ever created, every kind of thought process that a living being has ever had, all have gone into the creation of the Crucible. The resources of every species currently part of the Galactic community have gone into building it. So, how is that a less significans background for understanding than, for example, "eezo makes it work"?
The curcible throught the game was referred to as a repaer off switch with unknown effects. That led me to believe it was an anti reaper gun of some sort or something that weakend them.
There is nothing to prepare you for the Synthesis ending. There is no forshadowing, nothing. I don't see how introducing this grand concept of DNA altering magic firing wave of greeness in the last 5 minutes is anywehre close to the same as learning about biotics, reapers and such throughout 3 full games.
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Fawx9 wrote...
RiouHotaru wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Let's break this apart as they come.
Saren: Complete failure. Implants were used as mind control by Reapers. He died a puppet. Hell if you talk some sense into him he kills himself because he knows he's a puppet.
EDI: Isn't Synthesis in the least. Her bodies synthetic. Her forming attachment =/= synthesis. It = cooperation and understanding.
Geth Quarian conflict: Both Geth and Quarians...remain Geth and Quarians. The geth deciding to upload into the Quarians suits and help them with their immune systems doesn't make them similar beings. They cooperate IN SPITE OF their differences. They don't get rid of them. Not synthesis.
Project Overlord: Same. An attempted cooperation inspite of differences (well more like an attemtped control but still David was clearly organic only his mind was being used in an attempt to control the Geth via virtual interaction). Plus it was a massive failure because David couldn't handle the sensory output that the hordes of Geth were putting out.
But the fact those examples exist sets a precedent for the idea of Synthesis in the lore, regardless of how they turned out.
Maybe the understanding each other part(which we were appoching on our own anyways). The part where it fires a giant green energy wave that can modify everything in the galaxy at a molecular level. No, just no. There was nothing in the story that even comes close to that level of absurdness.
Maybe precedent isn't the best word. More like foreshadowing.
Grimwick wrote...
Is the point of this thread trying to point out that we call one space magicky thing space magic but others not? That's hilarious.
RiouHotaru wrote...
The point of this thread is point out the blatant hypocrisy. The same hypocrisy that occurs when people claim Synthesis is a violation of the galaxy's free-will but Refusal is morally sound.
wantedman dan wrote...
Despite him saying it, right there.
Ryzaki wrote...
So yeah I consider Refuse morally superior to Synthesis. Deal with it.
Heeden wrote...
Where? I just watched the EC ending again to check the explanation - the only stated effect of Synthesis is Shepard's organic energy is broken down and dispersed, altering the matrix of all organic life, allowing organics to fully integrate with technology and synthetics to fully understand organics.
Heeden wrote...
wantedman dan wrote...
Despite him saying it, right there.
Where? I just watched the EC ending again to check the explanation - the only stated effect of Synthesis is Shepard's organic energy is broken down and dispersed, altering the matrix of all organic life, allowing organics to fully integrate with technology and synthetics to fully understand organics.
Grimwick wrote...
Is the point of this thread trying to point out that we call one space magicky thing space magic but others not? That's hilarious.
Heeden wrote...
There's a strong argument for Refuse being the only sound choice from a moral stand-point; that's coming from someone who was torn between Synthesis and Destroy.
Modifié par Hackulator, 07 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .
Heeden wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
So yeah I consider Refuse morally superior to Synthesis. Deal with it.
There's a strong argument for Refuse being the only sound choice from a moral stand-point; that's coming from someone who was torn between Synthesis and Destroy.
Ticonderoga117 wrote...
Heeden wrote...
Where? I just watched the EC ending again to check the explanation - the only stated effect of Synthesis is Shepard's organic energy is broken down and dispersed, altering the matrix of all organic life, allowing organics to fully integrate with technology and synthetics to fully understand organics.
And how does any of that work based on a wave of green EM radiation?
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Ticonderoga117 wrote...
And how does any of that work based on a wave of green EM radiation?
Hackulator wrote...
No, there really isn't. Letting everyone die because of your pride is not moral.
Hackulator wrote...
Grimwick wrote...
Is the point of this thread trying to point out that we call one space magicky thing space magic but others not? That's hilarious.
Pretty much. Or, "as long as there is random technobabble associated with my space magic, that makes it ok": Or maybe "There is a distinct point in time when new space magic becomes unacceptable."
Basically, none of these opinions really have any logical backing. If we had suddenly found the Crucible at the end of the game with no prior knowledge of it and it had saved us, then people might have some sort of valid argument, but that is not how it went. We've known about the Crucible since the second mission of the game. It is a standard McGuffin, and not really worse (or better) than the McGuffin in a million other stories. If you don't know what a McGuffin is, you probably don't know enough about writing to be taking part in this conversation in a meaningful and knowledgable manner.
Fawx9 wrote...
The fact that in the last 5 minutes we are meant to believe that a machine can alter the DNA of every being in the galaxy is the WTF part. There is no build up, no foreshadowing nothing. It breaks all rules considering suspension of disbelief and if you can't understand why that might upset someone then there's no point in debating this further.
wantedman dan wrote...
Hackulator wrote...
No, there really isn't. Letting everyone die because of your pride is not moral.
Said this earlier today, but it is applicable now.
Your false sense of personalization is adorable.
DGMockingJay wrote...
Aparantly the EM radiation is able to create Synthetic implants inside humans which are 70% water, and quite possibly lacks the elements/ complex compounfs it might require to create all those implants.. Also, the DNA is altered like they are Lego. Also, it affects every Organic in the galaxy, doesn't matter if U are hiding in a bunker, miles deep in the ground.
Its BioWare that has slapped Space Magic all over Synthesis ending, not us.
Heeden wrote...
Something like Psychometry?
wantedman dan wrote...
Your false sense of personalization is adorable.
Ryzaki wrote...
I wouldn't agree with that much. Morally wise my choices are Destroy > Control > Refuse > Bad variations of the previous > Mission Failed > Synthesis.
But yeah I tend to pick Destroy. Sorry EDI and the Geth.
Refuse seems too petty on BW's part for me to take it seriously and no it's not because Shep loses. I was expecting and looking forward to that. It's the presentation of it.
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