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[Travis2310]

Bonno88 wrote...

In the words of Harbinger (Mass Effect 2 quotes):

“Quarian; considered due to cybernetic augmentation, weakened immune system too debilitating.”
“Drell; useless, insufficient numbers.”
“Human; viable possibility, aggression factor useful if controlled.”
“Asari; reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness.”
“Salarian; insufficient lifespan, fragile genetic structure.”
“Human; viable possibility, impressive genetic malleability.”
“Geth; an annoyance, limited utility.”
“Human; viable possibility, impressive technical potential.”
“Human; viable possibility, if emotional drives are subjugated.”
“Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”
“Krogan; sterilised race, potential wasted.”
“Turian; you are considered...too primitive.”

If you chose to cure the genophage, would that then make the Krogan a viable asset to the Reapers?

[ElementL09]

Something to do with Genetics and Dark Energy.

[GeoGirl2008]

In the Mass Effect lore, the reapers are interested in humans because they are the most genetically diverse advanced race in the galaxy. If you look at the asari, turians, Krogan, Salarians, Hanar etc, there aren't very many variations in facial features, and their skin/hide/exoskeleton colors vary only slightly, whereas humans have a wide variety of skin tones, hair and eye colours, heights and other genetic traits which aren't visible.

The lore also says that the reapers wanted the humans to create the sovereign class reaper for this cycle, as there is only one made in each cycle. In Mass Effect 2 they allude to the reapers trying to create a sovereign class reaper with the protheans but they failed and turned the protheans into collectors instead. In ME3 Javik explains that the protheans were not as genetically diverse as humans and because they forced other races into subjugation they bread out most of the genetic diversity of those species too.

[KingWrex]

GeoGirl2008 wrote...

In the Mass Effect lore, the reapers are interested in humans because they are the most genetically diverse advanced race in the galaxy. If you look at the asari, turians, Krogan, Salarians, Hanar etc, there aren't very many variations in facial features, and their skin/hide/exoskeleton colors vary only slightly, whereas humans have a wide variety of skin tones, hair and eye colours, heights and other genetic traits which aren't visible.

The lore also says that the reapers wanted the humans to create the sovereign class reaper for this cycle, as there is only one made in each cycle. In Mass Effect 2 they allude to the reapers trying to create a sovereign class reaper with the protheans but they failed and turned the protheans into collectors instead. In ME3 Javik explains that the protheans were not as genetically diverse as humans and because they forced other races into subjugation they bread out most of the genetic diversity of those species too.

This.......
Also don't remember where I read it have to go digging to find the source but it had alot to do with the original dark energy plot. Something about humanity bieng the race perfect to solve the dark energy crisis by bieng reaperfied. Final choice was change human to reaper or destroy the reapers and trust the galaxy to figure out how to solve DE crisis. Will post link if I can find it if not take this post with a grain of salt.

EDIT:www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/
Not sure how reliable this source is

Modifié par KingWrex, 08 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .

[Bonno88]

Travis2310 wrote...

If you chose to cure the genophage, would that then make the Krogan a viable asset to the Reapers?

I can only assume that their aggression / blood rage would be too great a risk for the reapers to consider as a viable option maybe.

[Blueprotoss]

Stevebo wrote...

I think the reapers looked at Commander Shepard as the model of what humanity is capable of.

This is pretty the answer.

[Renegade133]

i think humanity was chosen because shep shamed the reapers by giving them a black eye by being the instrument that caused Sovvy to be wiped out which probably went down something like this .... hmmmm a human caused our defeat perhaps we should examine them a bit closer

[Massa FX]

Because Shepard's actions led to Soveriegn's death. A defeat not seen before? At least not at that stage of a cycle. It's a fact that the Ilos protheans managed to delay the reaper invasion and then Shepard is dogging Saren with a bullheaded tenacity. Shepard defies the Reapers from the get go. Hence their interest in humans... Shepard specifically.

Just my dumb theory.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

As others have said, Shepard personifies the potential of the human race/genetic diversity etc.

I think there is confusion on why the other races are harvested but it is known in ME1 that all races (turns out to only be advanced races) are wiped out each cycle. The Reapers can't leave any advanced races capable of creating synthetics (revealed in ME3) or surpassing the Reapers' power over the next 50000 years (I guess it's just a good timeline for civ. evolution).

[Cyberarmy]

simfamSP wrote...

Because we have/had GMagnum.

tbh...

[elitecom]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

OP: It was because of the fact back in Mass Effect 2, the Collector's determined that Humanity had the "perfect" genetics to build a new Reaper, hence Junior. However, according to the Catalyst, all Races will be harvested, Synthetic and Organic, and stored in Reaper form. Ever since then I have no clue, seeing as we are no longer special as everybody gets reaped.

This is the answer you seek. It was back from Mass Effect 2 when the Reapers only chose one race they deemed worthy enough to be ascended into Reaper form, as a form of Reaper reproduction. That along with a great deal of other things were retconned in Mass Effect 3.

[Zkyire]

Stevebo wrote...

I think the reapers looked at Commander Shepard as the model of what humanity is capable of.

Exactly.

Sovereign didn't give a flying monkey**** about humans.

It's only after they killed Sovereign that the other Reapers went "..hang on a minute.."

[AlexMBrennan]

Sovereign didn't give a flying monkey**** about humans.

It's only after they killed Sovereign that the other Reapers went "..hang on a minute.."

Which is the definition of "hypothesis suggested by the data". It's one of the most basic mistakes in the book. Anyone with any knowledge about statistics can tell you why this is meaningless.

[Pkxm]

KingWrex wrote...

GeoGirl2008 wrote...

In the Mass Effect lore, the reapers are interested in humans because they are the most genetically diverse advanced race in the galaxy. If you look at the asari, turians, Krogan, Salarians, Hanar etc, there aren't very many variations in facial features, and their skin/hide/exoskeleton colors vary only slightly, whereas humans have a wide variety of skin tones, hair and eye colours, heights and other genetic traits which aren't visible.

The lore also says that the reapers wanted the humans to create the sovereign class reaper for this cycle, as there is only one made in each cycle. In Mass Effect 2 they allude to the reapers trying to create a sovereign class reaper with the protheans but they failed and turned the protheans into collectors instead. In ME3 Javik explains that the protheans were not as genetically diverse as humans and because they forced other races into subjugation they bread out most of the genetic diversity of those species too.

This.......
Also don't remember where I read it have to go digging to find the source but it had alot to do with the original dark energy plot. Something about humanity bieng the race perfect to solve the dark energy crisis by bieng reaperfied. Final choice was change human to reaper or destroy the reapers and trust the galaxy to figure out how to solve DE crisis. Will post link if I can find it if not take this post with a grain of salt.

EDIT:www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/
Not sure how reliable this source is

everyone should click this link, it explains why

[Robibond]

There's a hint in the mass effect 3 codex :

http://masseffect.wi...dex/The_Reapers

About capitals ships :

[...] Experts believe the Reapers harvest a single species of organics during each cycle of extinction to create these massive ships. [...]

So may be the Reapers chosen humanity to build their capital ships, like Soverign and Harbinger. For reasons that have been mentioned earlier, such as versatility ...

[Chris Priestly]

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

[Pkxm]

"The Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy in ME," Karpyshyn wrote.

"The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

"The original final choice was going to be 'Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left' or 'Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means.'

this is why they targeted humanity in me2. the plot got dropped, and they went with whats currently in me3.

www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/

Modifié par Jsxdf, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .

[reioni]

 See http://www.youtube.c...AhKW7498#t=194s - it should already be at the position where it's explained.

^This makes those little plot holes much more understandable.

Granted humanity has issues but a lot of time it is our diversity that is what spurns those issues.  You could see many of the Alien cultures represented in the different people/cultures/nations/time periods of humanity.  Our species has something in common with all of the other species.  We have a diversity that other species dont seem to have.  Like Samara said, you have 3 humans in a room and you'll get 6 different opinions.  

As far inner conflicts and stupid mistakes, if you think about it the other races arent without them.  Look at the Krogans, Quarians and Drell.  Krogan bombed their own planet to hell, quarians created geth, then tried to destroy the geth, then got kicked off of their own home world, drell abused their world to the point there were no resources left and started fight over what there was.  Even the Turians jumped the gun with us and started shooting before they realized humanity wasnt really a threat.  Salarians uplifted the krogan before they were ready and that caused all kinds of problems.  The asari hid a valueble prothean artifact that if they had worked together with the other races on could have warned the galaxy about the reapers sooner.  Batarians still considered slavery an important part of their economy.  The other species definately arent perfect by any stretch of the imagination.  Kaidan says something to this effect in ME1 but I cant remember the exact words.

[AlexMBrennan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

Well, they were sufficiently interested in humanity to move endgame to Earth when they could have picked any other location.

[Pacifien]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

But then why were the Collectors collecting humans for the Human Reaper and not building an Asari Reaper or a Turian Reaper, Chris?

Why did the Reapers take the Citadel to Earth?

[Blueprotoss]

Pacifien wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

But then why were the Collectors collecting humans for the Human Reaper and not building an Asari Reaper or a Turian Reaper, Chris?

Why did the Reapers take the Citadel to Earth?

Yet the Collector's built that Reaper and the Reapers were warned by the Illussive Man about the Citadel.

[Wulfram]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

But even after earth was de facto conquered, they still apparently left the largest chunk of their forces hanging about on Earth rather than doing anything that might contribute to the ongoing war effort.  And they took the Citadel to Earth

[AlexMBrennan]

Yet the Collector's built that Reaper

Collectors directly controlled by Harbinger.

the Reapers were warned by the Illussive Man about the Citadel.

Yes. The question is, why move it to Earth and not some random other location.

[Pkxm]

according to udina humanity faces the brunt of the attack. if you play through mass effect 2 you realize the collectors (controlled by the reapers) are targeting humanity. humanity got the attention of the reapers especially since we killed one of them. and shepard, the biggest pain in the reapers ass, is human. the reapers probably had more of their forces at earth so it made more since for them to move it there.

[AlexMBrennan]

the reapers probably had more of their forces at earth so it made more since for them to move it there.

It makes more sense for the reapers to move a (previously thought to be immobile) station rather than their (designed to be mobile) fleet? Really? Baterian space would have been much safer - they were hit first, so they wouldn't have had to worry about the resistance. Leaving the Citadel in deep space with the beam disabled would also have been smart given that they knew that Shepard was amassing a ground force (for unknown reason)

The reality is much simpler: The reapers focus on Earth purely because the tagline is "Take back Earth".

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:23 .