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[Mr. MannlyMan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

Explain ME2.

[Pkxm]

the citadel was thought to be immobile? everything in space is mobile or capable of being mobile. they decided to take it to earth to more easily defend it. the batarians were easily destroyed and it was explained that the leviathan of dis indoctrinated them and the batarians were wiped out easily. they are already toast.

the reapers have had humanity in its sights. we killed one, we have shepard being a pain in their ass at every turn, so its logical they focused on us. they tried to build a human reaper before, and they are obviously gathering human bodies for processing when you get to the beam and enter it. for what reason im not sure.

me2 had the collectors (controlled by the reapers) gathering humans to build a human reaper. you learned in me2 they had their eye on humanity, maybe because we killed one, maybe our genetics. 

"batarian space is safer". the reapers kicked our asses, the sol system belonged to the reapers. we had to retreat, hackett even admits defeat over the com to shepard. sol was just as safe

Modifié par Jsxdf, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:43 .

[Annihilator27]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

The Reapers couldnt wait to discharge their mass cores once they got to the Human homeworld.

[Katinka]

Anderson and Shepard propose the idea that the reapers are gathering humans into the Citadel to make another reaper in ME3. There are enough mentions of humanity being genetically diverse for me to think that is supposed to be an important factor.

If the location of the Citadel didn't matter and they just wanted it to be safe I would've thought they'd send it into dark space (such as where they hide for 50,000 years), between stars (like the geth heretic station in ME2) or the galactic core (as per collector base). The reapers really do know how to hide stuff they don't want you getting to...

[Vinny]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

In a sense, yes. But we all know, since ME2, that the Reapers find humans interesting.

[WaffleCrab]

simple, a human was a first one threaten them and gather a force to take down one, on this particular cycle.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 09 juillet 2012 - 08:00 .

[AlexMBrennan]

maybe because we killed one, maybe our genetics.

Yes. That's the question OP wants answered.

sol was just as safe

Did they have an effective resistance? Probably not because the baterians were completely wiped off the map. Without the resistance, the Reapers would have won.

[Pkxm]

i dont think that question has a definite answer. but having the reapers attention because we killed one, our genetics, and possibly the reapers view humanity as the most advanced species. and we do have shepard who has proven humanity to be a huge pain in the ass (the reaper on rannoch says harbinger has spoken of him). in me3 we learn the endgame being the reapers are harvesting the most advanced civilizations, leaving the primitives alone. to bring order to the chaos. well if humanity is the most advanced/most dangerous to the reapers id say that is the answer why they focus on us.

the human resistance probably wasn't much. just ground forces holding out, not really doing much but trying to survive. and buy shepard time.

then theres also the dark energy plot that was scrapped after me2 (im assuming this means it was scrapped during me3 development. i wonder at what point?). this would cause reapers interest in humanity to be pieces left behind in the plot

Modifié par Jsxdf, 09 juillet 2012 - 08:17 .

[thehomeworld]

Originally we were suppose to be special because I assume during 2 when they started making human smoothies they discovered that with each human's death it lessened the dark energy in the galaxy. The original dark energy plot involved that the reapers needed to kill off all humanity in order for the problem to solve itself they found out they didn't' need to destroy everything all the time when they could just wipe the floor with humanity and stop the issue for an even longer time frame.

But with the new plot point of machines will destroy their creators humanity is no longer important infact the Quarians and Salarians would've actually been a better choice for the reapers based off this new plot point.

[Blueprotoss]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Collectors directly controlled by Harbinger. 

 Thats a good joke since the Collector's are Reaper slaves.

AlexMBrennan wrote...  

Yes. The question is, why move it to Earth and not some random other location.

To force the Crucible to Earth, which most of the Fleet is human.

[Armass81]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

Thats not what Harbinger says in his quotes. He pretty much dismissed all other species as worthless except humans. For what? Building a capital ship reaper?

Modifié par Armass81, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .

[Cancer Puppet]

ME2 should have been about Shepard trying, and failing, to stop the reapers from making it into the galaxy. The end result being that he/she forces the galactic community to acknowledge the reaper threat, and buys some time for the galaxy to prepare. That was more or less the plot of Arrival (sort of), but that was just kinda shoe-horned into the story.

As much as I love ME2, it was a failure in regard to the overall story. So despite ME3 being composed of some great parts, the whole is ultimately less than the sum of said parts as a direct consequence of ME2's unfortunate take on story progression.

[Armass81]

thehomeworld wrote...

Originally we were suppose to be special because I assume during 2 when they started making human smoothies they discovered that with each human's death it lessened the dark energy in the galaxy. The original dark energy plot involved that the reapers needed to kill off all humanity in order for the problem to solve itself they found out they didn't' need to destroy everything all the time when they could just wipe the floor with humanity and stop the issue for an even longer time frame.

But with the new plot point of machines will destroy their creators humanity is no longer important infact the Quarians and Salarians would've actually been a better choice for the reapers based off this new plot point.

Thats not how the dark energy plot went. If it were like that it would have been even stupider. I mean "they discovered that with each human's death it lessened the dark energy in the galaxy" .... .... WHAT?

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

In a nut-shell, The original reason for the cycle was that Dark Energy was this expanding force that was going to destroy the galaxy somehow. The Reapers were a bunch of different races who had fused together in order to use their combined intelligence to stop the dark energy problem. But, each time they were only able to delay the end of the galaxy. Thanks to the Protheans, the next cycle was delayed and so the Reapers were getting panicked because they were running out of time.
That's when Humanity comes into play. It's also interesting to note that the cycle was supposed to begin long before Humanity found the Prothean archives, but that's a moot point now. Anyway, the Reapers came to believe that Humans, with their supposed genetic diversity, would be the race to, when converted to a Reaper, end the dark energy problem. Which is why they were so obsessed with getting humans in ME2.

link www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings

Modifié par TheIdiocyWizard2.0, 10 juillet 2012 - 05:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

ME2 should have been about Shepard trying, and failing, to stop the reapers from making it into the galaxy. The end result being that he/she forces the galactic community to acknowledge the reaper threat, and buys some time for the galaxy to prepare. That was more or less the plot of Arrival (sort of), but that was just kinda shoe-horned into the story.

As much as I love ME2, it was a failure in regard to the overall story. So despite ME3 being composed of some great parts, the whole is ultimately less than the sum of said parts as a direct consequence of ME2's unfortunate take on story progression.

Yet Shepard did fail to contain the Reapers in ME2.

[KevTheGamer]

MTX99 wrote...

 I understand the themes and messages in the entire trilogy. But still, I don't understand why the reapers were interested in humans. I am using human nature as an argument here. Even in Mass Effect 1 you get that feeling. Humanity just finished the first contact war and when they were inducted into the council. Every other race felt like they never belonged. It only changed when Saren and Sovereign were defeated. I am just saying because even though these are fictional aliens. They just present themselves as being superior to 22nd century humans. Think about it! Humans still live on an average to 80 years, as to an asari which can live in multiple centuries. Humans are soft and fragile as opossed to turians and krogans who have tougher skin layers and strength(wel krogans anyways) I'm not saying humans are the weakest in the galaxy. I mean come on, the hanar, elcor and volus would never stand a chance. I just don't fully undertand why the reapers wanted the humans to be the new collectors. 
Also if you think ahout it, humans kill other humans in the real. We literally pride ourselves in maming and killing each other. I just can't get the image out of my head of the other Mass Effect aliens monitoring humanity in secrecy from the 14th to 21st century and just laughing at them and viewing us as savages.

Didn't Mordin touch on this during his loyalty mission. Humans have lots of variables and are easier to change genetically or something like that during ME 2. 

[Sgt Stryker]

Did Priestly just retcon the whole point behind ME2? Can mods even do that??

[Eain]

Chris Priestly wrote...

They weren't, which is why they also attacked Palavin, Tuchanka, etc.

It was not an attack on Earth alone.

Oh they weren't.

That explains all the Collector abductions of Turians, Asari and Salarians in ME2, and that giant Krogan Reaper I found in the bowels of the Collector base. >_>

[elitecom]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Did Priestly just retcon the whole point behind ME2? Can mods even do that??

Oh yes, why not? Bioware has already done it in ME3 anyway. There isn't much integrity left in the story now.

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

MTX99 wrote...

...Humans are soft and fragile as opossed to turians and krogans who have tougher skin layers and strength(wel krogans anyways) I'm not saying humans are the weakest in the galaxy. I mean come on, the hanar, elcor and volus would never stand a chance. I just don't fully undertand why the reapers wanted the humans to be the new collectors...

As far as my understanding goes, the Reapers want the human race to become the next Reaper, not collector race. Collectors would probably be Krogans, Turian, or both. The versatility of humanity is what impressed them squidies, something the other races don't have to that extent.

[Chrysantemum]

Modifié par Chrysantemum, 10 juillet 2012 - 10:09 .

[BiO]

SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil wrote...

MTX99 wrote...

...Humans are soft and fragile as opossed to turians and krogans who have tougher skin layers and strength(wel krogans anyways) I'm not saying humans are the weakest in the galaxy. I mean come on, the hanar, elcor and volus would never stand a chance. I just don't fully undertand why the reapers wanted the humans to be the new collectors...

As far as my understanding goes, the Reapers want the human race to become the next Reaper, not collector race. Collectors would probably be Krogans, Turian, or both. The versatility of humanity is what impressed them squidies, something the other races don't have to that extent.

There is also the possibility that there wasn't going to be a collector race to begin with. It may be that the Protheans were an exception. Heard of the theory that the Reapers don't make hive-mind (or something similar) species into Reapers? That could be an explanation for the Collectors.

But yes, MTX99 is wrong, the Reapers wanted Humans to become a new flag-ship Reaper, not Collectors.

Also, Chris! How could you!? You just made ME2's plot and Harbinger's yapping obsolete!

Modifié par BiO_MaN, 10 juillet 2012 - 11:05 .

[The Package]

For the same reason aliens in Hollywood movies speak english by default and always seem to have a beef only with the Americans.

[WaffleCrab]

BiO_MaN wrote...

SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil wrote...

MTX99 wrote...

...Humans are soft and fragile as opossed to turians and krogans who have tougher skin layers and strength(wel krogans anyways) I'm not saying humans are the weakest in the galaxy. I mean come on, the hanar, elcor and volus would never stand a chance. I just don't fully undertand why the reapers wanted the humans to be the new collectors...

As far as my understanding goes, the Reapers want the human race to become the next Reaper, not collector race. Collectors would probably be Krogans, Turian, or both. The versatility of humanity is what impressed them squidies, something the other races don't have to that extent.

There is also the possibility that there wasn't going to be a collector race to begin with. It may be that the Protheans were an exception. Heard of the theory that the Reapers don't make hive-mind (or something similar) species into Reapers? That could be an explanation for the Collectors.

But yes, MTX99 is wrong, the Reapers wanted Humans to become a new flag-ship Reaper, not Collectors.

Also, Chris! How could you!? You just made ME2's plot and Harbinger's yapping obsolete!

except collectors were not based on a hive mind race, they became a hive mind when they became collectors from protheans.