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[Tealjaker94]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I actually decided to watch all 6 movies in order today. I'm on A New Hope. The first 3 are ok but simply not as good as the original trilogy. Plus the whole Anakin-Padme romance is stupid and there's Jar Jar Binks. I literally cringe everytime he opens his mouth.

Also OT: I've read some people's ideas and they say that the best way to watch the movies is simply to skip Phanton Menace, go straight into Attack of the Clones and go on from there. There's just nothing in Phantom Mencace that you NEED in order to understand the rest of the movies, and you skip over the stupid midicrapians, young Anakin, and MOST of Jar Jar.

Only good thing about it is Liam Neeson. I ****ing love Liam Neeson.

[SNascimento]

The reapers are not invencible, we just don't have the conventional means to defeat them.
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They have to be this powerful, otherwise it wouldn't make sense they defeating so many cicles before us.

[BatmanPWNS]

Reapers are too stupid that they can't even kill Shepard with their lasers. I think Shepard should just run up to every Reaper while everyone shoots from the back. Every Reaper would die instantly.

[Jamie9]

v TricKy v wrote...

Do you really find the midichlorians that bad? If I remember correctly it´s just one or two sentences from qui-gon and never gets mentioned at all afterwards. But I must agree with the whole Padme-Anakin story. I roll eyes every time I see these scenes.

It contradicts everything set up in 1977. Directly. It's thematically wrong.

Later on, it was hardly mentioned and kind of retconned too. Just a way to measure "Force potential".

[Tealjaker94]

Jamie9 wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

Do you really find the midichlorians that bad? If I remember correctly it´s just one or two sentences from qui-gon and never gets mentioned at all afterwards. But I must agree with the whole Padme-Anakin story. I roll eyes every time I see these scenes.

It contradicts everything set up in 1977. Directly. It's thematically wrong.

Later on, it was hardly mentioned and kind of retconned too. Just a way to measure "Force potential".

I just try to ignore that part when I get to it. Luckily they got the hint and didn't mention it again.

[Jamie9]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Revenge of the Sith is the only one of the prequels that deserves to be mentioned with the original trilogy. I'd still take RotJ over it, but it's a fantastic movie.

To be honest though, nothing was going to top Empire (though A New Hope is actually my fave Star Wars film).

I hold the first two films on a pedestal, with the other 4 below them. ANH and ESB were just masterpieces.

[Tealjaker94]

Jamie9 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Revenge of the Sith is the only one of the prequels that deserves to be mentioned with the original trilogy. I'd still take RotJ over it, but it's a fantastic movie.

To be honest though, nothing was going to top Empire (though A New Hope is actually my fave Star Wars film).

I hold the first two films on a pedestal, with the other 4 below them. ANH and ESB were just masterpieces.

Totally agree. Two of the best movies of all time followed by a good but not as good conclusion. Kinda like mass effect. Though RotJ was nowhere near the fiasco of ME3.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 07 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .

[v TricKy v]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Revenge of the Sith is the only one of the prequels that deserves to be mentioned with the original trilogy. I'd still take RotJ over it, but it's a fantastic movie.

To be honest though, nothing was going to top Empire (though A New Hope is actually my fave Star Wars film).

I hold the first two films on a pedestal, with the other 4 below them. ANH and ESB were just masterpieces.

Totally agree. Two of the best movies of all time followed by a good but not as good conclusion. Kinda like mass effect. Though RotJ was nowhere near the fiasco of ME3.

And so the circle closes...

[kw0lf]

Objections to plot armor are long and varied.

[Tealjaker94]

v TricKy v wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

To be honest though, nothing was going to top Empire (though A New Hope is actually my fave Star Wars film).

I hold the first two films on a pedestal, with the other 4 below them. ANH and ESB were just masterpieces.

Totally agree. Two of the best movies of all time followed by a good but not as good conclusion. Kinda like mass effect. Though RotJ was nowhere near the fiasco of ME3.

And so the circle closes...

So be it. The cycle continues.

[zambot]

Whether or not you consider the crucible to be a Deus Ex Machima is dependent on whether you believe introducing it at the beginning of ME3 is sufficiently far from the climax. I do believe that it was introduced sufficiently far enough in advance that it's not a DEM, but I can certainly see someone's point that by introducing it in the 3rd game makes it one.

Beyond a doubt, though, the Catalyst is a DEM or sorts.

Michael Creighton sold a crap ton of books, but he had this habit of creating impossible problems for his characters to solve, and thus almost all of his books ended with a DEM. Rather silly if you ask me.

[Jamie9]

zambot wrote...

Whether or not you consider the crucible to be a Deus Ex Machima is dependent on whether you believe introducing it at the beginning of ME3 is sufficiently far from the climax. I do believe that it was introduced sufficiently far enough in advance that it's not a DEM, but I can certainly see someone's point that by introducing it in the 3rd game makes it one.

Beyond a doubt, though, the Catalyst is a DEM or sorts.

Michael Creighton sold a crap ton of books, but he had this habit of creating impossible problems for his characters to solve, and thus almost all of his books ended with a DEM. Rather silly if you ask me.

This problem doesn't happen if you plan your story structure. Roughly plan all the character's emotional arcs, where you want everyone at Acts 1, 2 and 3, and how your story ends.

Then problems simply iron themselves out.

[Tealjaker94]

zambot wrote...

Whether or not you consider the crucible to be a Deus Ex Machima is dependent on whether you believe introducing it at the beginning of ME3 is sufficiently far from the climax. I do believe that it was introduced sufficiently far enough in advance that it's not a DEM, but I can certainly see someone's point that by introducing it in the 3rd game makes it one.

Beyond a doubt, though, the Catalyst is a DEM or sorts.

Michael Creighton sold a crap ton of books, but he had this habit of creating impossible problems for his characters to solve, and thus almost all of his books ended with a DEM. Rather silly if you ask me.

I'd say it's right on the line. I'd have preferred it be introduced in ME2, even if you somehow got the plans in the collector base or something.

[Eain]

zambot wrote...

Whether or not you consider the crucible to be a Deus Ex Machima is dependent on whether you believe introducing it at the beginning of ME3 is sufficiently far from the climax.

The time at which a DEM is introduced has nothing to do with whether or it not is one, actually. It is entirely possible to write a story and introduce the DEM in the very first chapter.

[Maggot4ever]

wantedman dan wrote...

Thing about it is, they've obviously been proven not to be invincible.

Okay, it took an entire concentrated fleet to kill one Destroyer, a Super-Omega Thresher Maw while a platoon of Turian fighters were shooting at one ALONE to kill another Destroyer, and once again an entire fleet to kill Sovereign, whose shields only went down because Saren died. Along with that, The Turians managed to kill about 5 Sovereigns through tricking them into shooting each other, but sacrificing all of their dreadnoughts. So honestly, I give you all of my fleets, show me how you will defeat THOUSANDS OF THEM!

[Jamie9]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Totally agree. Two of the best movies of all time followed by a good but not as good conclusion. Kinda like mass effect. Though RotJ was nowhere near the fiasco of ME3.

Yep. Still love RotJ. At least it's ending was satisfying. The Luke/Vader/Emperor dialogue is some of the best in the trilogy.

You can't say that about the Catalyst conversation...

[Captain Kibosh]

Two words:   "kobayashi maru"

Maybe Spock can answer this one (starting at time index 1:24 in video clip below):
www.youtube.com/watch

[sth128]

Shepard is invincible. Every time he dies, you press the reload button.

[thefallen2far]

Some people are nihilists. Like for instance, they saw the end of Mass Effect 1 and thought Soverign annnounced he was going to assault the citadel by himself and show up with trashcans in orbit around him that didn't do mech, he took every shot from every ship fired at it, begging for more for days on end and then luckily downloaded all his power into the body of a dead turian for no other reason than to let you stop him and his sheilds would collapse.

Then there are people who actually played the game and know he suprise attacked an unprepared fleet unable to call in reinforcements. He assaulted it with an Armada of Geth ships that would swarm and shoot down other ships, all in a blitz attack he couldn't survive for long. When it became apparent that he couldn't defend himself any longer he tried to reactivate his the biotics of the dead agent to try and complete the objective before the assalt on him broke through his sheilds and he died, all taking place in less than an hour.

So, a nihilist sees the ending as "soveriegn is unbeatable" but anyone else would say, "you bea sovereign." Some people desperately want an impossible to beat enemy to shoehorn a fictional arbitrary moral dilema. Some people believe that difficult thing aren't impossible. You see? There are some people who like an "impossible" enemy forcing you to do something you don't want to do[but secretly are cool with]. And some people aren't cool with that.

[Jamie9]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'd say it's right on the line. I'd have preferred it be introduced in ME2, even if you somehow got the plans in the collector base or something.

They could have easily revealed it in Lair of the Shadow Broker. Perhaps it was already under construction, making it seem like it wasn't built in 3 months.

Then Arrival feels less strange because you're buying time for the Crucible to be built and finished.

[zambot]

Eain wrote...

zambot wrote...

Whether or not you consider the crucible to be a Deus Ex Machima is dependent on whether you believe introducing it at the beginning of ME3 is sufficiently far from the climax.

The time at which a DEM is introduced has nothing to do with whether or it not is one, actually. It is entirely possible to write a story and introduce the DEM in the very first chapter.

I disagree.  I use this definition of a DEM:

 a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability, or object. 

If the crucible were introduced along with the reapers in ME1, then it would certainly not be a DEM.  The story would have been about building the cruicible over 3 games perhaps, and not have been a sudden or abrupt solution.

[Fusiontron]

 Why the hate for the SW prequels? It gave new light on the series, making it the saga of a tragic hero.

[Jamie9]

Fusiontron wrote...

 Why the hate for the SW prequels? It gave new light on the series, making it the saga of a tragic hero.

There was a couple of posts with people stating they enjoyed the prequels. I don't know anyone who prefers them to the original trilogy though.

[zambot]

Fusiontron wrote...

 Why the hate for the SW prequels? It gave new light on the series, making it the saga of a tragic hero.

I can't speak for everyone, but the execution was incredibly poor imo

[Maggot4ever]

Fusiontron wrote...

 Why the hate for the SW prequels? It gave new light on the series, making it the saga of a tragic hero.

All of the cool kids don't like it, so everyone has to hate it.