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[JoxerNL]

nav29 wrote...

What?? I thought they fixed this with Patch 1.03

http://social.biowar.../index/12276459

There is alot of misinformation floating about, that post is the only remnant remaining, if you look at the other 'official' channels you can see they pulled the ULM part out of those patch notes, Chris is just too lazy to edit his post there.

[Hackulator]

nav29 wrote...

What?? I thought they fixed this with Patch 1.03

http://social.biowar.../index/12276459

Yeah, they were supposed to, it didn't happen. Its noted somewhere, but I forget where.

[BioticMarauder]

Wait... so the patch did not contain that fix at the release date? Then why on earth would they say otherwise?!
Doesn't make any sense. Well...nothing has since the ending ;D

[Zero132132]

Blade117 wrote...

only reason i use ULM on an smg is i don't see a point in the other mods but barrel.

I guess reading BSN doesn't matter much... somehow missed that the entire thread was pointing out that ULM is worthless in a more conrete way (that it doesn't ****ing work).

I always tell people that I see with this loadout that they should use something else, but a lot of people are reluctant to listen to strangers. It actually took me a bit to get used to the idea that it didn't work, too.

[Miriad]

Father Superior wrote...Not everyone goes on these forums. Hell, I didn't make an account until I hit at least 4 figures. The MP community is vast and expands far past this forum. It's for this reason that I laugh when I see threads bragging about how many rocket-glitchers a particular member has reported because none of them seem to realize that for the most part they aren't taking down "bug-exploiters", they're taking away the progress, and essentially the time spent playing, from someone who likely is not aware of the actions Bioware and the "white knights" of the forums are taking to respond to the problem.TL;DRThe forums do not represent the whole of the MP community and in all likelihood, the forums are the minority.

On what do you base the implied "taking away the progress" of the poor, poor, unaware rocket glitcher? Also, on what do you base the assertion that the forum community, including non-posters, are the "minority" of mass effect 3 Multiplayer players? A lot of people read forums here, and if not here, there are other outlets to get information. Or do multiplayer people enjoy being caught off guard by weekly balance changes and new DLC. Sorry, but your post smacks of crap on a lot of levels. Glitching is known to be ban worthy in most online games; this isn't a "new concept" that the gamer community at large is unfamiliar with. If you glitch beyond one "try out", and you "gain" from it, you deserve what's coming to you.

[jordie3000]

I would imagine someone who noticed they were firing many more missiles than they were allotted would figure something was going wrong and not do it, and not need to see or know about a forum post detailing what has gone wrong either.

EDIT: Which is to say, you don't need to know about forums to figure out that maybe shooting a bajillion rockets in a match isn't very kosher and you probably shouldn't do it. 

Modifié par jordie3000, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .

[RoZh2400]

Using the ULM to ineffectively reduce cooldown times. How primitive...

*insert meme here*

On a more serious note, we really need to just figure out a way to simply tell everyone what some of the generally recognized glitches are, such as the vanguard glitch, ULM, etc. Maybe through a simple message across the board when you enter Multiplayer one day..... (looking at you BioWare)

[RoZh2400]

Miriad wrote...

Father Superior wrote...Not everyone goes on these forums. Hell, I didn't make an account until I hit at least 4 figures. The MP community is vast and expands far past this forum. It's for this reason that I laugh when I see threads bragging about how many rocket-glitchers a particular member has reported because none of them seem to realize that for the most part they aren't taking down "bug-exploiters", they're taking away the progress, and essentially the time spent playing, from someone who likely is not aware of the actions Bioware and the "white knights" of the forums are taking to respond to the problem.TL;DRThe forums do not represent the whole of the MP community and in all likelihood, the forums are the minority.

On what do you base the implied "taking away the progress" of the poor, poor, unaware rocket glitcher? Also, on what do you base the assertion that the forum community, including non-posters, are the "minority" of mass effect 3 Multiplayer players? A lot of people read forums here, and if not here, there are other outlets to get information. Or do multiplayer people enjoy being caught off guard by weekly balance changes and new DLC. Sorry, but your post smacks of crap on a lot of levels. Glitching is known to be ban worthy in most online games; this isn't a "new concept" that the gamer community at large is unfamiliar with. If you glitch beyond one "try out", and you "gain" from it, you deserve what's coming to you.

No, no it's true. The BSN is a minority. There are hundreds of
thousands playing ME3 Multiplayer, but if you look at how many views
each thread gets, and take into account the regulars, I would estimate only a couple thousand visit the BSN regularly. Other sources aren't as vast, nor as accurate as the BSN, so if you even want to take that into account, let's say a generous couple tens of thousands, we're still at <10% of all players on multiplayer. So yeah, word is not out on the ULM and it's not surprising because only a small number (relative to the whole) of players actually know about the glitch.

Modifié par RoZh2400, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:14 .

[Arppis]

Doesn't matter what your N7 rank is.

[Agueybana]

nav29 wrote...

Wait... so the patch did not contain that fix at the release date? Then why on earth would they say otherwise?!
Doesn't make any sense. Well...nothing has since the ending ;D

They thought they had fixed it. It turned out it was just a cosmetic fix in the end. They even came out and said they knew about it and where working on it.

My own thought on it is that each individual SMG needs to be fixed to work with ULM. ULM effects figures shown in a couple menus and has the ingame effect on cooldowns. They fixed the menu reads, but may not have fully corrected the ingame effect error. I think it's individual to each gun because GPSMG works fine, and it has to effect each gun according to that guns weight. It may even be more complex than that.

Modifié par Agueybana, 08 juillet 2012 - 07:22 .

[Krantzstone]

RoZh2400 wrote...

Using the ULM to ineffectively reduce cooldown times. How primitive...

*insert meme here*

On a more serious note, we really need to just figure out a way to simply tell everyone what some of the generally recognized glitches are, such as the vanguard glitch, ULM, etc. Maybe through a simple message across the board when you enter Multiplayer one day..... (looking at you BioWare)

That's what I've been sayin', yo. ;P

There must have been at least five duplicate threads the other day about rocket glitchers, or people reporting that there were rocket glitchers, or people asking about rocket glitching.

[Father Superior]

Miriad wrote...

On what do you base the implied "taking away the progress" of the poor, poor, unaware rocket glitcher? Also, on what do you base the assertion that the forum community, including non-posters, are the "minority" of mass effect 3 Multiplayer players? A lot of people read forums here, and if not here, there are other outlets to get information. Or do multiplayer people enjoy being caught off guard by weekly balance changes and new DLC. Sorry, but your post smacks of crap on a lot of levels. Glitching is known to be ban worthy in most online games; this isn't a "new concept" that the gamer community at large is unfamiliar with. If you glitch beyond one "try out", and you "gain" from it, you deserve what's coming to you.

By progress I mean all of the weapons, mods, characters and/ or ranking (I am not clear on the specifics of what exactly you lose when you get reset so I am operating under the assumption that you are truly "reset"). Think about how much time you have spent playing this game. How would you feel if you woke up one day, turned on your Xbox/PS3/PC and found yourself completely stripped of everything that you worked/paid for, just because you exploited a bug that you were unaware was a big f*cking deal for the developer? As for the forums being the minority, the community is small enough that once you've been around for a little while, you start to recognize contributors everywhere. Hell look at the thread view counts. Not too large are they? There is not all that big of a community for this game and the forums are still a small portion of the players who give enough of a f*ck to actually stay on top of things. Also, most other places that have even acknowledged ME3's existence only did so to discuss the piece of sh*t ending, the EC or the rumors of an Earth DLC. There are very limited hubs for information on this game compared to others and a significant chunk of its community does not bother constantly checking the forums for updates. Like I said, I made it to N7 1000 before I even started visiting the forums, so there is a distinct possibility that there are a ton of players out there that are completely oblivious to the events happening in the forum world. Also, people aren't going to notice the balance changes unless they are substantial (the Geth Infiltrator says hello). I would never have noticed that the Arc Pistol or the Viper were given a buff if I didn't read about it in the balance changes thread.  And don't give me that "Then how do people find out about DLC?" bullsh*t, I haven't matched into a single game in the last month where someone didn't mention the Earth DLC rumor that has yet to be touched by Bioware, nevermind confirmed/denied. Big news like DLC spreads, dropping a gun's weight by a pound or two doesn't. As for exploiting glitches being a "known offense", I and many others were subjected to and utilized the "elevator" glitch on MW2 many times and have yet to be reset, so the idea of "Big Brother Bioware" knowing exactly what everyone is doing all the time hasn't really set in yet for all players. Not all of the players "deserve what's coming to them", some are just using it because it is an alternative to the normal method that they are unaware is a big deal to a developer and its fanboys. As for your very thinly veiled jeer at me benefiting from "these heretic glitchers who tarnish the very name of Mass Effect", I am making the best of the situation that Bioware gave us (you won't get penalized for playing a single game with one, learning they glitch, and then leave after, they said we don't need to waste equipment) while you are crossing your arms and pouting about someone essentially giving you 75k for free.

Modifié par Father Superior, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:42 .

[Edalborez]

Father Superior wrote...

How would you feel if you woke up one day, turned on your Xbox/PS3/PC and found yourself completely stripped of everything that you worked/paid for, just because you exploited a bug that you were unaware was a big f*cking deal for the developer? 

Bull. You start firing infinite missiles, you better have the common sense to know "that's not right." Not "teehee be a rebel exploit the game it's their fault."

And for the love of Thomas Abram: paragraphs, man!

Modifié par Edalborez, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .

[Father Superior]

Edalborez wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

How would you feel if you woke up one day, turned on your Xbox/PS3/PC and found yourself completely stripped of everything that you worked/paid for, just because you exploited a bug that you were unaware was a big f*cking deal for the developer? 

Bull. You start firing infinite missiles, you better have the common sense to know "that's not right." Not "teehee be a rebel exploit the game it's their fault."

And for the love of Thomas Abram: paragraphs, man!

Geth, Justicar Evolution 5, ULM, Banshee magnet-hands, etc. and this is when they finally intervene? After all of these glitches have been around for months with no attempts to fix them, this is the one they finally try to fix? How are you not seeing this? If there was a game so riddled with bugs that have not even been dealt with on the slightest scale and then a new one is discovered, what in the f*cking world would make you believe that this was the one to be addressed? And being a fan boy will get you nothing. Bioware does not care about you or any other player, they are in this for the money. Why else would they see a vast expanse of game-breaking bugs that are frustrating for the players and not do a thing about it, but when they see something that gets in the way of them making money off of packs, that's when they react immediately? Accept it, Bioware doesn't love you anymore, they don't love any of us anymore. And if they are going to be greedy f*cks who won't do a thing about glitches that hinder the players, then I see no reason in sympathizing with them for not getting all the extra money  that they don't need from packs. Finally, I find it odd that you patronize me for my post not taking up more space with paragraph spaces while there are so many grammar and spelling errors throughout this thread and plenty more that have yet to be addressed.

[Sidney]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Because... everything says it works.
Only problem is it does not.

Yeah really other than reading here you'd never know it doesn't do what it should do. I'd love to not use the GPSMG as my backup but since the ULM don't work on the other SMG's I'm stuck with it.

[Sidney]

Krantzstone wrote...

RoZh2400 wrote...

Using the ULM to ineffectively reduce cooldown times. How primitive...

*insert meme here*

On a more serious note, we really need to just figure out a way to simply tell everyone what some of the generally recognized glitches are, such as the vanguard glitch, ULM, etc. Maybe through a simple message across the board when you enter Multiplayer one day..... (looking at you BioWare)

That's what I've been sayin', yo. ;P

There must have been at least five duplicate threads the other day about rocket glitchers, or people reporting that there were rocket glitchers, or people asking about rocket glitching.

What is the rocket glitch? I play a lot and have never seen this thing in action. Is it across all platforms?

[Hantaksk]

Well, my N7 rank is about the 1200. i played only MP until the EC was out, and i consider myself a casual ME:3 player,

Anyway, i've been using my hurricane 3 with ULM and extended mag as sidearm since about the time i read on forums they had fixed the ULM thing... kinda sucks to notice this way that it hasnt been addressed, but hey, i suppose you actually know what you be doing, hence why you DO notice in game how the cooldown is not affected when using ULM, because i frankly havent notice any real difference whenever i equip the smg or not.

Maybe you didnt meant it that way when you made the OP but if what you where trying to do was to INFORM the community this issue havent been addressed maybe you should have formulated the OP in some other way, as on its current form seems to me another guy making fun of "high n7 ranked players" doing "noobish" stuff. Most of us dont really have the time nor energy to read EVERY post on these forums and the last official post regarding ULM said it would be fixed to refflect the cooldown effect in game.

[Miriad]

I could do a 'wall of quote' rant like you did, instead ill just point out the absurd,oddly apologist nature for "those that would lose everything" due to using the rocket glitcher over and over.

It is fairly obvious by your tone that YOU have either used the glitch or have been a happy recipient of the credits from its use. It is also not surprising to see that "geth ahead at all costs" mentality from someone that proudly posts their global N7 rating in the sig line. It is pretty apparent why you are having such an emotional reaction on this issue. Duuuuur.

The plain reading of your post is that the innocent guy knowingly using the glitch over and over again to gain credits should not be subject to a wipe or ban. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Did this person not understand that one hot killing multiple mobs might be considered CHEATING like a bastard? Haven't people been banned for editing the ini files to do the same thing? Your attitude regarding "stop pouting and enjoy the 75k" seems to assert that just because people are farming they should be excused from the obvious consequences of glitching for gain?

Let me be clear, I have no issue with someone using the glitch once to check it out, I, and Bioware, have issues when it's used as a farming tool for gain. How can anyone objectively look at it otherwise? Unless, of course, they were in the crosshairs of such a banning and it would strike out their precious, meaningless N7 rating...

Nuff said.

[JoxerNL]

Father Superior wrote...
Blah blah etc 

Ever heard of an enter key?

Modifié par JoxerNL, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .

[shova 01]

ULM only works on Geth SMG. in order to see a second difference Load the Javelin (Heavy weapon) and any of the SMGs except Geth SMG. get a stop watch and do a private game. Look at one of your powers in the tree. pick the one with the most time. time it with and without the ULM. you will see NO difference. Then swapout the SMG for the Geth SMG. Time it again with and without the ULM. You will see a 1 second difference. I did this test with a asari. It ONLY works on the Geth SMG. Bioware states it fixed a lot of glitches, but as you know, you can still fall through the map in the doorway on FBW

[Father Superior]

Miriad wrote...

I could do a 'wall of quote' rant like you did, instead ill just point out the absurd,oddly apologist nature for "those that would lose everything" due to using the rocket glitcher over and over.

It is fairly obvious by your tone that YOU have either used the glitch or have been a happy recipient of the credits from its use. It is also not surprising to see that "geth ahead at all costs" mentality from someone that proudly posts their global N7 rating in the sig line. It is pretty apparent why you are having such an emotional reaction on this issue. Duuuuur.

The plain reading of your post is that the innocent guy knowingly using the glitch over and over again to gain credits should not be subject to a wipe or ban. What you are saying makes absolutely no sense. Did this person not understand that one hot killing multiple mobs might be considered CHEATING like a bastard? Haven't people been banned for editing the ini files to do the same thing? Your attitude regarding "stop pouting and enjoy the 75k" seems to assert that just because people are farming they should be excused from the obvious consequences of glitching for gain?

Let me be clear, I have no issue with someone using the glitch once to check it out, I, and Bioware, have issues when it's used as a farming tool for gain. How can anyone objectively look at it otherwise? Unless, of course, they were in the crosshairs of such a banning and it would strike out their precious, meaningless N7 rating...

Nuff said.

Excellent deduction there, cracking the secret that I "have been a happy recipient of the credits from its use", that totally wasn't clear from the beginning of my posts. And you made a wall of text joke, HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH ORIGINAL! Would you prefer that I bump this thread into oblivion and make multiple pages of just my responses for others to sort through to find their response? My "emotion" for this topic does not come from my N7 rating which I am proud of because I got myself there using my own skill (no money involved whatsoever), it comes from the hypocrisy I am subject to on these forums. People complain about glitches in theif benefit not being fixed fast enough while there are glitches still existing from the first day that have yet to be addressed, people complain about the idea of an Ardat-Yakshi or Sentinel Asari by complaining that there are 3 already but no one explicitly showed disgust at the idea of the Earth DLC giving us 20 humans total, etc. There are endless examples of people being just plain contradictory with their views who then think their opinions still matter when they are obviously unable to have a consistent mindset when it comes to debating issues. And I did not say that rocket-glitchers should not be banned, I said they should be warned and if they persist or leave immediately after receiving a message of warning, they can get reported. But stripping someone of their rank because of a glitch they might not have known about being retaliated against is wrong. Hell, they haven't even tried to address the Geth glitches and all the other ones that have been around for so long, why would this one get special attention? Everyone gets a warning, but from there they get the treatment of everyone else. By the way, that's a really thinly veiled hint there at the end. I haven't rocket-glitched and I don't intend to.
PS: N7 is not meaningless, it is like a recommendation letter. If you have a lot of them, chances are people are going to give you a chance, because it is more likely that the guy with 300 recommendations will do better than the guy with 12.

>Insert smug, condescending ending phrase<

[Miriad]

You got to your N7 rating through SKILL? Rarely do you hear people claiming that N7 has anything to do with skill rather than a will to promote and play A LOT of mass effect. How in the world is it like a recommendation? I almost always looking at someone's loadouts in addition to N7 rating. The N7 recommendation, as you put it, is the topic of this thread, but between your "don't punish poor Bobby, he didn't know any better when he started ROCKETING EVERYTHING TO SMITHEREENS every game'. Yes, he deserves to keep going at it as everyone should just 'stop pouting and collect their 75k'. Hell even better, everyone that knows the glitch should use whenever they like, and the only thing they have to worry about is not actually losing anything, just a firm talking to.

Let me get this straight, you expect others to effectively ignore the glitcher while collecting credits, but Bioware may only punish a person after they've been caught TWICE? You feel the community doesn't need to police blatant cheating, and the responsibility for keeping the game clean falls only on Bioware?

And no, my accusation wasn't thinly veiled, because I'm flat out applying Occum's Razor here : Judging from your position you have likely benefitted from the rocket glitch several times, whether doing it yourself (less likely) or not caring when others use it for your gain (almost certainly). Plus you have the balls to come on here and claim some form of purity in your N7 score after your rant on poor soon to be banned Bobbys predicament? .Yeaaa...

[Miriad]

Sorry if that's not terribly coherent, but I'm typing on a phone and sort of don't care about your arguments anymore. I read them, I understand them, and they are without merit.

[Father Superior]

Miriad wrote...

You got to your N7 rating through SKILL? Rarely do you hear people claiming that N7 has anything to do with skill rather than a will to promote and play A LOT of mass effect. How in the world is it like a recommendation? I almost always looking at someone's loadouts in addition to N7 rating. The N7 recommendation, as you put it, is the topic of this thread, but between your "don't punish poor Bobby, he didn't know any better when he started ROCKETING EVERYTHING TO SMITHEREENS every game'. Yes, he deserves to keep going at it as everyone should just 'stop pouting and collect their 75k'. Hell even better, everyone that knows the glitch should use whenever they like, and the only thing they have to worry about is not actually losing anything, just a firm talking to.

Let me get this straight, you expect others to effectively ignore the glitcher while collecting credits, but Bioware may only punish a person after they've been caught TWICE? You feel the community doesn't need to police blatant cheating, and the responsibility for keeping the game clean falls only on Bioware?

And no, my accusation wasn't thinly veiled, because I'm flat out applying Occum's Razor here : Judging from your position you have likely benefitted from the rocket glitch several times, whether doing it yourself (less likely) or not caring when others use it for your gain (almost certainly). Plus you have the balls to come on here and claim some form of purity in your N7 score after your rant on poor soon to be banned Bobbys predicament? .Yeaaa...

Miriad wrote...

Sorry if that's not terribly coherent, but I'm typing on a phone and sort of don't care about your arguments anymore. I read them, I understand them, and they are without merit.

Yes, through skill. It is not terribly easy to play gold as a Level 1 character, but I struggled through it. Was I the only one playing? No, but I still could average 2nd or 3rd with a severely gimped class which is a test of skill in my mind. People don't recognize N7 as skill because many felt that it was not important due to the redundancy of War Assets in the SP, but it certainly tells you a lot about a player's previous playing time. If one player has N7 1000 and another has N7 120, you can be certain that the former has experience and can be expected to perform at a certain level of expectation, while the latter does not have anything clearly outlining their experience with the game. The chance of someone getting to 4 figures without picking up some type of strategy or tactics is almost non-existent.
I am not saying that everyone should use the glitch, I am saying that everyone should stop complaining about people getting them credits for no work at all in a short time frame and then move on. Or better yet, warn them about the banning wave. Hell, I sent a message to a player this morning after completing a match where he rocket-glitched saying that it was being cracked down on and that he should stop before he got banned. He immediately sent back a message thanking me and saying he had no idea people were being banned for it. He then proceeded to finish in last for 4 games straight, after which the host disconnected. I stopped a rocket-glitcher without stripping them of all they have earned by sending a two sentence message. Why would that be so hard?
You have completely missed out on the point of my argument, I did not say they get a warning and then leave without punishment, you tell them that they are exploiting a glitch and are at risk to get banned and if they either don't stop or immediately leave the game, then you report them. It's that simple. And if you think we owe anything to Bioware, take a look at all the issues that have been voiced that they ignored because it did not make a difference in their money making scheme and ask yourself "Why do they deserve our total obedience and blind faith?"
Yes, I have benefitted from the rocket-glitch, chances are you have once or twice too. No one is a saint so stop trying to be. If I happen to be optimistic about receiving 75k credits in 15 minutes and that makes me some kind of crazy person, so be it. And I'm not showcasing my b*lls by defending my N7, I am doing what I would do in any situation where someone is being short-sighted about an issue they don't bother to bring any evidence to argue about: I am debating my side. 
Finally, if you can't bother to continue a debate because you "just don't care", I have no reason to even consider your argument as legitimate. If you don't care enough about the issue to finish what you started, why bother starting in the first place? You sicken me, being so smug without having presented any evidence and then trying to excuse yourself by claiming not to care. Frankly, I don't care about your opinion anymore if you can't just suck it up and finish this debate like a man/woman.

[Sajuro]

Hackulator wrote...

Shane Ashkore wrote...

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

Because... everything says it works.
Only problem is it does not.

They only work if your recharge isnt 200% if it is then they do nothing and your better off with another mod.

No, it doesn't work AT ALL on any gun except GPSMG. It says it works when you look at the recharge time it shows you, but when you actually get in game it does not work.

i think they fixed it