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Allstar27 wrote...

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LoL I didn´t like VS before and I have no reason to change my mind now...


So why comment on this thread? 


Read the thread title. His comment is valid.

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I like Ash the Tomboy, not Ash the Tranny.


oh wonderful... Transphobia now...

-.-

The funny part:
Ashley is a woman.

She was born as a woman, lives as a woman and most likely will die as a woman.


I really don't get it why someone created that rumor Ash was a transvestite. I mean... why? What for? And how to prove it, since ... errm, yes. :whistle:

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CptData wrote...

The funny part:
Ashley is a woman.

She was born as a woman, lives as a woman and most likely will die as a woman.


I really don't get it why someone created that rumor Ash was a transvestite. I mean... why? What for? And how to prove it, since ... errm, yes. :whistle:


It is utter nonsense... and if she was a transwoman... well she would still be a woman, just not cisgender.

Reading those kind of comments it makes me wish BioWare makes a real strong TG character (no a joke like the prostitue on DA2.. that was insulting)

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Well, maybe next time, Baronesa. 'though I'm no transphobe I'm glad my favorite LI is what she appears to be.

Let's say if BW introduces a transgender character, they definitely should state it clearly at a point, maybe in the final talk that locks in a romance (but BEFORE the player gets locked in). Pretty much like in ME3 with Steve Cortez - if you aren't into gay romances, you can avoid it. Even without being an ass to Cortez.

I like that guy. Reminds me a bit of a gay buddy. ^^

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Ryzaki wrote...

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I loved Ashley's redesign. I liked her old look too but the Virmire survivors definitely needed an improvement for the final installment. Their looks had gotten too bland. If there is anything to complain about it was deviating from their characters.

Ashley was no longer a religious human nationalist and Kaidan was suddenly gay. Those things bothered me a lot more.


Someone else who shows they have no idea of the difference between gay and bisexual. :wizard:


If you only played as male Shep you wouldn't know Kaidan was bi unless you read it somewhere.

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I loved Ashley's redesign. I liked her old look too but the Virmire survivors definitely needed an improvement for the final installment. Their looks had gotten too bland. If there is anything to complain about it was deviating from their characters.

Ashley was no longer a religious human nationalist and Kaidan was suddenly gay. Those things bothered me a lot more.


Someone else who shows they have no idea of the difference between gay and bisexual. :wizard:


If you only played as male Shep you wouldn't know Kaidan was bi unless you read it somewhere.

or unless you saved him on Virmire. You're allowed to do that as MaleShep you know?Image IPB

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ADLegend21 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I loved Ashley's redesign. I liked her old look too but the Virmire survivors definitely needed an improvement for the final installment. Their looks had gotten too bland. If there is anything to complain about it was deviating from their characters.

Ashley was no longer a religious human nationalist and Kaidan was suddenly gay. Those things bothered me a lot more.


Someone else who shows they have no idea of the difference between gay and bisexual. :wizard:


If you only played as male Shep you wouldn't know Kaidan was bi unless you read it somewhere.

or unless you saved him on Virmire. You're allowed to do that as MaleShep you know?Image IPB


No, absolutely unacceptable.  UNACCEPTABLE.

Fine, you can save KaidanImage IPB

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Not saving Ash?

Thats like asking if a wild bear doesn't **** in the woods. LOL

I kid, I kid Kaidan fans. I've got one playthrough with him alive so I'm not biased. =P

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

I loved Ashley's redesign. I liked her old look too but the Virmire survivors definitely needed an improvement for the final installment. Their looks had gotten too bland. If there is anything to complain about it was deviating from their characters.

Ashley was no longer a religious human nationalist and Kaidan was suddenly gay. Those things bothered me a lot more.


Someone else who shows they have no idea of the difference between gay and bisexual. :wizard:


If you only played as male Shep you wouldn't know Kaidan was bi unless you read it somewhere.


Rana and Liara. (Both of whom he expresses an attraction to in ME1.) 

Ready to spew more ignorance? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 10:55 .


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Not saving Ash?

Thats like asking if a wild bear doesn't **** in the woods. LOL

I kid, I kid Kaidan fans. I've got one playthrough with him alive so I'm not biased. =P

I strongly dislike Ash and Kaiden so it is hard for me to choose who lives and who dies, because I just don't care.

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BP93 wrote...

Not saving Ash?

Thats like asking if a wild bear doesn't **** in the woods. LOL

I kid, I kid Kaidan fans. I've got one playthrough with him alive so I'm not biased. =P

I strongly dislike Ash and Kaiden so it is hard for me to choose who lives and who dies, because I just don't care.


You Miranda fans just don't like Ashley because she's better.  I'm on to you...
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^ eh, krukow, no hitting against Miranda fans. I'm one too (just not as much as I'm an Ashleymancer). Some people simply don't like the VS.

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CptData wrote...

^ eh, krukow, no hitting against Miranda fans. I'm one too (just not as much as I'm an Ashleymancer). Some people simply don't like the VS.


I was just joking (hence the use of a smiley face thingy).

And yeah, Miranda's my second favorite too. 

People who don't like Ashley still make me sad Image IPB

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Honestly, the hate over the redesign is a little petty IMO. They didn't actively make her look WORSE, and her personality remains intact. What's the problem?

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o Ventus wrote...

Honestly, the hate over the redesign is a little petty IMO. They didn't actively make her look WORSE, and her personality remains intact. What's the problem?


Her personality got a huge dent since a lot of stuff we know of her never made it into ME3. Her love for poetry isn't that prominent anymore, her family suddenly exists of Sarah only, and she's no longer religious (that particular dialogue got cut before the release).

Yeah, pretty much this.

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CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Honestly, the hate over the redesign is a little petty IMO. They didn't actively make her look WORSE, and her personality remains intact. What's the problem?


Her personality got a huge dent since a lot of stuff we know of her never made it into ME3. Her love for poetry isn't that prominent anymore, her family suddenly exists of Sarah only, and she's no longer religious (that particular dialogue got cut before the release).

Yeah, pretty much this.


Ah. I guess I never notcied it then.

Granted, I never really had her aboard the Normandy after the coup pre-EC. I always had her take Hackett's offer because I didn't want to strand her on Gilligan's planet.

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o Ventus wrote...

CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Honestly, the hate over the redesign is a little petty IMO. They didn't actively make her look WORSE, and her personality remains intact. What's the problem?


Her personality got a huge dent since a lot of stuff we know of her never made it into ME3. Her love for poetry isn't that prominent anymore, her family suddenly exists of Sarah only, and she's no longer religious (that particular dialogue got cut before the release).

Yeah, pretty much this.


Ah. I guess I never notcied it then.

Granted, I never really had her aboard the Normandy after the coup pre-EC. I always had her take Hackett's offer because I didn't want to strand her on Gilligan's planet.


Yeah, if anything, most Ashmancers are more annoyed at the personality change (or omissions, since I like to assume she's still religious and stuff).  The looks aren't that big of a deal.

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@ o Ventus - if you're going for any High EMS Ending, Ash won't end on Gilligan's planet. And if you pick High EMS Destruction Ending (>4000 / Anderson final speech or >5000 / Anderson killed by TIM), Ash and Shepard even may get reunited. At least it's hinted.

So with the EC DLC, it's save to have Ash with you on board of the Normandy :)

Modifié par CptData, 09 juillet 2012 - 11:31 .


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CptData wrote...

@ o Ventus - if you're going for any High EMS Ending, Ash won't end on Gilligan's planet. And if you pick High EMS Destruction Ending (>4000 / Anderson final speech or >5000 / Anderson killed by TIM), Ash and Shepard even may get reunited. At least it's hinted.

So with the EC DLC, it's save to have Ash with you on board of the Normandy :)


...Pretty sure oVentus is looking for Shepard to go find Miranda.

Which I'm sure he totally does, because, I mean, duh!

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CptData wrote...

@ o Ventus - if you're going for any High EMS Ending, Ash won't end on Gilligan's planet. And if you pick High EMS Destruction Ending (>4000 / Anderson final speech or >5000 / Anderson killed by TIM), Ash and Shepard even may get reunited. At least it's hinted.

So with the EC DLC, it's save to have Ash with you on board of the Normandy :)


I know. I used past-tense verbs for a reason.

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krukow wrote...

...Pretty sure oVentus is looking for Shepard to go find Miranda.


How did you know?

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o Ventus wrote...

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@ o Ventus - if you're going for any High EMS Ending, Ash won't end on Gilligan's planet. And if you pick High EMS Destruction Ending (>4000 / Anderson final speech or >5000 / Anderson killed by TIM), Ash and Shepard even may get reunited. At least it's hinted.

So with the EC DLC, it's save to have Ash with you on board of the Normandy :)


I know. I used past-tense verbs for a reason.


Sometimes I miss those. English isn't my native tongue ^^

Hey, do you think Miri & Ash like each other? :lol:

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CptData wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

CptData wrote...

@ o Ventus - if you're going for any High EMS Ending, Ash won't end on Gilligan's planet. And if you pick High EMS Destruction Ending (>4000 / Anderson final speech or >5000 / Anderson killed by TIM), Ash and Shepard even may get reunited. At least it's hinted.

So with the EC DLC, it's save to have Ash with you on board of the Normandy :)


I know. I used past-tense verbs for a reason.


Sometimes I miss those. English isn't my native tongue ^^

Hey, do you think Miri & Ash like each other? :lol:


They have a lot in common.  I bet they get along great if you only romance one of them.

ONE.

Otherwise...

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Hey, do you think Miri & Ash like each other?


Not really. Miranda is ex-Cerberus. Apart from that, I think their personalities would conflict in a number of categories.

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^ eh, krukow, no hitting against Miranda fans. I'm one too (just not as much as I'm an Ashleymancer). Some people simply don't like the VS.


I was just joking (hence the use of a smiley face thingy).

And yeah, Miranda's my second favorite too. 

People who don't like Ashley still make me sad Image IPB

I don't like Ashley or Kaiden because they are so mean to Shepard in 2 and 3. Even though you try to explain to them that you are not with Cerberus anymore they still treat you poorly. That is why I can't bring myself to like them.