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[Dusen]

- The signal was disrupted by the protheans, remember. Refer back to what Vigil said. He said  that within every cycle there is a scout that checks up on the evolution of the organics, who is advanced and who's not. (also keep in mind that the catalyst said that the organics in past cycles have put obstacles before the Reapers, and the Reapers had to constantly overcome them)

This doesn't explain why the catalyst uses a VERY conspicuous Reaper to check up on the races when the catalyst itself resides in the very center of galactic civilization. Shepard would never have had a chance had the catalyst just activated the relay. Instead, the catalyst use of Sovereign is what directly lead Shepard to directly confronting the Reapers.
 
- The Catalyst could not open the relay. Refer back to what Vigil said.
 
Vigil only states that Sovereign coudn't open the relay. It requires a leap in logic to assume that this also applies to catalyst as well.

- They are federation of nations. Each with their own will, but they still answer to a higher power.

A true nation does not answer to a higher power, it may jockey with others for a resource, but it does not answer to another, higher power, otherwise it is not a true nation.

- Not sure what you are getting at. Because the enemies know it has a crucial part in ending the Reaper threat?

No, the question is this: "why is the crucible made to connect to the citadel when it is always the first place to be controlled by the reapers every cycle?". Come to think of it, the plans call for a "catalyst" and that turns out to be the leader of the Reapers that no one has ever met before. . .wait. . .how does that work?

Bottom line is, man, there are no dots to connect. It's pretty clear that neither ME1 nor ME2 have any references to the events to come in ME3 because Bioware so drastically rewrote the story at the eleventh hour of their once-great saga. You have to use leaps of logic to makes sense of the events of ME3, and that is one of the main problems. It's the job of the writer to make sure there are dots and that they connect, not the reader. If the latter was the case then I might as well not even play the game, I could write my own fiction since that's what's basically happening here.

Modifié par Dusen, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:43 .

[Mazebook]

@dusen wrong thread...this thread is not about if the ending makes sense or not ...please take that discussion somewhere else.

[Applepie_Svk]

Dusen wrote...

Doesn´t matter Dusen they love too much art to see facts ... LoL´ed

[Shallyah]

I am satisfied with ME3. I've played incredibly worse crap that was unremarkably forgotten but since the developpers didn't care about their fans nobody made a fuss out of it. Or made it, and wasn't listened to.

Plus Mass Effect trilogy is fulfilling and satisfying, moreso after the Extended Cut. I value a lot that they made the Extended Cut. Says why BioWare is the best game company in the industry, in my own opinion.

[Kr0gan]

I'm not happy with the endings but the EC is enough for me to forgive Bioware, they made an effort to plug the plot holes and I can aprecciate that.

I just won't preorder blindly their games from now, I'll wait for "independent" reviews first.

Besides, there is no other company that does what Bioware does, not yet.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Dusen wrote...

Vigil only states that Sovereign coudn't open the relay. It requires a leap in logic to assume that this also applies to catalyst as well.

It doesn't require a huge leap of logic to assume the catalyst os incapable of opening the citadel itself. Its the reaper's collective consciousness, its an AI.. It doesn't even have a platform..it can do nothing without its muscle: the reapers, like the human brain is incapable of achieving anything without a functioning body.

A true nation does not answer to a higher power, it may jockey with others for a resource, but it does not answer to another, higher power, otherwise it is not a true nation.

How so? The citadel races abide by the rules set by the council, even the non-council races. There are plenty of examples of nations abiding by the rules set by a higher authority.

No, the question is this: "why is the crucible made to connect to the citadel when it is always the first place to be controlled by the reapers every cycle?". Come to think of it, the plans call for a "catalyst" and that turns out to be the leader of the Reapers that no one has ever met before. . .wait. . .how does that work?

We don't have to see and be there to know something's presence. It can be inferred. How many of us have "seen" god? Yet many of us build our lives around its existance, to them His existence is as real as the air we breath, and they may be right. The higgs Boson is being discovered just now, yet we deduced something like this might exist, well before it was actually detected. My pet theory is the crucible was designed by the catalyst's creators as a failsafe incase the AI goes rogue, maybe we'd know in the upcoming DLCs.

Modifié par pirate1802, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:14 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

[StElmo]

The EC helps, but it still is a very sloppy bit of writing. Also, still lots of plot holes and the pacing is off.

I like the idea behind the catalyst (rogue AI) but apart from that EC didn't do much to make the story good.

Characters got treated better though. Doesnt make the story good though.

[Thanman]

Dusen wrote...
Come to think of it, the plans call for a "catalyst" and that turns out to be the leader of the Reapers that no one has ever met before. . .wait. . .how does that work?

Isn't "catalyst" the term for the substance that makes the reaction start happening? I assumed they (either) didn't know it was a misguided reaper AI disguised as an annoying brat, but just a thing that they need to get the weapon working. Therefor it's just "catalyst", and not a "starchild ( who deserves a kick in the face)", as no one has ever seen what it is.
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I must be one in a million who is happy with the EC because it eliminated the need to buy xbl gold, iphone or apply a credit card for samsung to get the gasp-scene. Yay! No need to pay extra to get the same ending others got with same war assets!

...I know you spent more time on it, but the concept of making the assumably best ending available only if paying more than just the game, is plain wrong.

But the beam scene with your LI was wonderful, I don't care how implausible that was.
Thank you Bioware, for giving the chance of goodbyes afterwards.
(Even as all should have been in the original ending, you could have been asses and leave it be. Thanks for not being.)

[Shepard108278]

Garrus is my Shepard wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

Like Shepard magically knowing that Saren was going to attack the Citadel at the end of ME1? Or when Shepard and the whole team go on a mission that conviently places them off the Normandy when the Collectors attack in ME2?

He knew where he was likely headed from what had happened. As far as the shutlle scene in me2 it made sense with the story IMO.

[Shepard108278]

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

Um shep never went into the atmosphere. It is said or alluded to that they found shep in space.

[Reorte]

Shepard108278 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

Um shep never went into the atmosphere. It is said or alluded to that they found shep in space.

You find his helmet in the Normandy Crash Site mission and we know that it was what helped keep his head in vaguely one piece.

[Phydeaux314]

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

I actually took the half hour to run numbers on this.

It turns out that terminal velocity for the planet Shepard crash-landed on isn't that fast, a little over 70 miles per hour, and if we assume that Shepard isn't in orbit (and as such isn't going that fast relative to the atmosphere of said planet) then you could actually come down in one piece. Especially since it's a snow-and-ice world and the chances of landing in a snowbank are reasonably good.

There are whole host of other technical issues with Shepard's resurrection, but re-entry isn't actually the biggest one.

[Reorte]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

I actually took the half hour to run numbers on this.

It turns out that terminal velocity for the planet Shepard crash-landed on isn't that fast, a little over 70 miles per hour, and if we assume that Shepard isn't in orbit (and as such isn't going that fast relative to the atmosphere of said planet) then you could actually come down in one piece. Especially since it's a snow-and-ice world and the chances of landing in a snowbank are reasonably good.

There are whole host of other technical issues with Shepard's resurrection, but re-entry isn't actually the biggest one.

What about the friction from hitting the atmosphere? I suppose that ME armour may be up to withstanding that, there's no way of knowing.

[Mystiq6]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

I actually took the half hour to run numbers on this.

It turns out that terminal velocity for the planet Shepard crash-landed on isn't that fast, a little over 70 miles per hour, and if we assume that Shepard isn't in orbit (and as such isn't going that fast relative to the atmosphere of said planet) then you could actually come down in one piece. Especially since it's a snow-and-ice world and the chances of landing in a snowbank are reasonably good.

There are whole host of other technical issues with Shepard's resurrection, but re-entry isn't actually the biggest one.

I think someone should submit this to MythBusters.

I'm just glad Shepard probably died of suffocation before being subjected to atmospheric re-entry and then falling flat on his face at 70 MPH. Probably still broke every bone in his body.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 14 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .

[Shepard108278]

Reorte wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

I had much harder time accepting anyone spaced, burned through reentry and falling thousands of miles at terminal velocity can be anything but a bloody stain on the grass.

Um shep never went into the atmosphere. It is said or alluded to that they found shep in space.

You find his helmet in the Normandy Crash Site mission and we know that it was what helped keep his head in vaguely one piece.

Forgot about that. But as the poster above stated it is possible to survive in one piece on that planet.

[Sundance31us]

I always get this mental image when I think of Shepard's landing:



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[Renmiri1]

Thanman wrote...
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I must be one in a million who is happy with the EC because it eliminated the need to buy xbl gold, iphone or apply a credit card for samsung to get the gasp-scene. Yay! No need to pay extra to get the same ending others got with same war assets!

...I know you spent more time on it, but the concept of making the assumably best ending available only if paying more than just the game, is plain wrong.

But the beam scene with your LI was wonderful, I don't care how implausible that was.
Thank you Bioware, for giving the chance of goodbyes afterwards.
(Even as all should have been in the original ending, you could have been asses and leave it be. Thanks for not being.)

Gibbed is your friend  I don't consider it "cheating" when the game developer puts in a demand to buy more product like that. THAt to me was cheating. Glad they realized it was over greedy and didn't reflect well on them.

Krogan babies, no need for Gibbed or purchases, some LI slides. Did it calm a lot of players down ? Yup, even myself when I saw it. But then I played ME2 again and remembered what ME was and what is now. UGH. I'm back to raging on threads 

PS: Rasputin, you shouldn't complain about people  who don't like the ending coming to post here, seeing as you post on every thread that disses the ending. 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:12 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

edit: nevermind. This could get ugly.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 15 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .