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"I'm happy with the ending as it is." A thread for the people who have no problems with the endings after the EC.


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maaaze wrote...
but back to topic...i have stated this a few times...but i think Mass effect got a whole lot deeper with the ending....it just flew right above peoples heads...because the morals were a little bit more complicated than the usual Hollywood BS.


<sigh> Really?
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Rofl. The trouble is it's trying to be deep, but it doesn't succeed.

Especially when you realize that control and sythesis do not even solve the problem, since synthetics can still be made and since time is infinate, they would wipe out all organics in the galaxy eventually.


read more...assume less...but i am done showing people whats actually in the game...use your brain...you will find the answers.


What do you mean? Nothing in synthesis says that new synthetics cannot be made, unless you can quote Harbinger/Starchild?

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Flog61 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

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Omg, this HAS to be a troll

So people who are happy with the ending are trolls? I thought this was a Mass Effect forum. Are you only allowed to post if you have something negative to say, or what? Where does it say that? If there already is a thread about this, feel free to post a link, and I'll ask a mod to close this one.


No i just do not believe that someone can think it was perfect.

Did you really not want to see Jack and Miranda fighting off husks back to back, or krogan riding on kakliosaurs or wrex charging into battle with grunt at his side?

You really did not want to see that?

All that would be cool too, but I'm just as happy with what we have now. I could come up with lots of stuff myself I'd like to see, but that still doesn't change the fact that I love the endings as they are.

Again, please try not turning this into another hate thread.


Your sig says that you thought the endings were perfect. If you say that more scenes would have been good then you acknowledge that it wasn't perfect.

There's a difference between loving the endings and thinking they are flawless

What I mean is that they're perfect as they are now, and adding those things, while they would add to the perfect-ness for me, aren't needed. 

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 08 juillet 2012 - 01:53 .


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Perfect... no. It's definitely better. But it isn't perfect.

*insert silly reference to the krogan from me2*

Anyway, I think it was a fairly big improvement. I would personally prefer it if they'd come out and say, one way or another, what the deal with post-ending content is. Right now, I see... five possibilities.

1. They have more content planned, either explanations or extra gameplay, and don't want to commit to anything that might spoil or restrict their options too much. I'm personally fond of this idea, but I doubt it's the case.

2. They have a sequel planned, and don't want to hammer out details here. I don't have enough data to guess whether or not this is likely. I'd love to see a sequel, but I don't know how they'd handle it.

3. They have an idea of what happens afterward, but they're not interested in sharing for whatever reason. This bugs me, a lot.

4. They're pulling a Star Wars and leaving the long term consequences up to the authors - either the book authors or the fan fiction authors. This is disappointing - their writers are talented and I'd love to see what they think would happen, given that they have a better knowledge of the world and characters than I do - but I could live with it. Hell, it might even be fun.

5. They don't have anything definite planned at the moment and they're waiting to see how this all settles out more before they pick their direction. Given how game design actually works, I severely doubt this is the case.

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Well, another positive thread gets attacked, but you know, there aren't allowed to be positive threads about Mass Effect 3 or Bioware, in a forum about Mass Effect 3 owned by Bioware. Maybe it would be best if we all just had separate forums, that way no one will get attacked.

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Well, you can't really expect people who can't read a thread title to enjoy ME3's endings.

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Jeb231 wrote...

Well, you can't really expect people who can't read a thread title to enjoy ME3's endings.


To be honest, we have no problem with him saying he loves the endings; we have a problem with him saying they were perfect. The first is an opinion presented as opinion; the second is opinion presented as fact, which is bad.

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Flog61 wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

Well, you can't really expect people who can't read a thread title to enjoy ME3's endings.


To be honest, we have no problem with him saying he loves the endings; we have a problem with him saying they were perfect. The first is an opinion presented as opinion; the second is opinion presented as fact, which is bad.

Well, I'm the one who's saying they're perfect, so I think it's safe to assume that this is my opinion only. I mean, unlike many people on here, I don't have the amazing power to speak for everyone. 

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Flog61 wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

Well, you can't really expect people who can't read a thread title to enjoy ME3's endings.


To be honest, we have no problem with him saying he loves the endings; we have a problem with him saying they were perfect. The first is an opinion presented as opinion; the second is opinion presented as fact, which is bad.


Yeah, it was just poking fun of all this drama.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Jeb231 wrote...

Well, you can't really expect people who can't read a thread title to enjoy ME3's endings.


To be honest, we have no problem with him saying he loves the endings; we have a problem with him saying they were perfect. The first is an opinion presented as opinion; the second is opinion presented as fact, which is bad.

Well, I'm the one who's saying they're perfect, so I think it's safe to assume that this is my opinion only. I mean, unlike many people on here, I don't have the amazing power to speak for everyone. 


No-one here has professed to speak for everyone

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Wow, I never expected to see thread like this. It looks like freedom of speech is in the air again.

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Even if his signature is related to the thread, it isn't actually part of the thread's content so attacking him for it is really unfair and silly. You should only respond to what is intended to be the thread's message.

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Flog61 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
but back to topic...i have stated this a few times...but i think Mass effect got a whole lot deeper with the ending....it just flew right above peoples heads...because the morals were a little bit more complicated than the usual Hollywood BS.


<sigh> Really?
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Rofl. The trouble is it's trying to be deep, but it doesn't succeed.

Especially when you realize that control and sythesis do not even solve the problem, since synthetics can still be made and since time is infinate, they would wipe out all organics in the galaxy eventually.


read more...assume less...but i am done showing people whats actually in the game...use your brain...you will find the answers.


What do you mean? Nothing in synthesis says that new synthetics cannot be made, unless you can quote Harbinger/Starchild?


Of course new pure Synthetics could be made...but to achive what goal...?

Synthesis means that Organics are now able to evolve like Synthetics...
and Synthetics are now able to understand the value of induviduality...

There is no powergap between Synthetics Organics anymore. Both forms of life can now live as equals.

The difference in between Organics and Synthetics has been eradictated...so it is not the source of new conflict.

So new Conlict would not arise because of a evolutional powergap / understanding of life.

Modifié par maaaze, 08 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .


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I love troll threads.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

I love troll threads.

How am I trolling? 

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Kudos, OP! I agree. I loved the EC endings and feel satisfied with the series. Probably my favorite gaming series of all time. Don't let the Debby's Downers bother you. Ending rage and complaining is so redundant at this point. Every negative opinion is repeated and beaten to death on this forum as if it is fact. As soon as someone states they like the game, sarcasm starts creeping in, just like this thread.

It's about time we moved on from the ending whining and looked forward.

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BatmanPWNS wrote...

I love troll threads.


[I would love to be able to insult you right now...i really would...dam...it would be some much fun...to just say what i think! but i will just shut my mouth and smile] :)

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I love troll threads.

How am I trolling? 



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I am quite happy with the Extended Cut. Bioware went out of their way to respond to the fans in a way that no other studio would have. I feel similarly about ME3 Extended Cut as I did the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition films. It makes it richer and more complete, whereas the original versions were great but I still had "qualms". There are ALWAYS things that could be done differently or better but people need to be objective (ie don't place Mass Effect 1 with its huge technical problems and clunky gameplay on a pedestal)

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Eluril wrote...

I am quite happy with the Extended Cut. Bioware went out of their way to respond to the fans in a way that no other studio would have. I feel similarly about ME3 Extended Cut as I did the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition films. It makes it richer and more complete, whereas the original versions were great but I still had "qualms". There are ALWAYS things that could be done differently or better but people need to be objective (ie don't place Mass Effect 1 with its huge technical problems and clunky gameplay on a pedestal)


A) Several studios have done this sort of thing before.
B) They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

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maaaze wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
but back to topic...i have stated this a few times...but i think Mass effect got a whole lot deeper with the ending....it just flew right above peoples heads...because the morals were a little bit more complicated than the usual Hollywood BS.


<sigh> Really?
webkit-fake-url://734D4018-053F-4BCF-B767-CB99699F631C/imagegif Twice in one thread.


Rofl. The trouble is it's trying to be deep, but it doesn't succeed.

Especially when you realize that control and sythesis do not even solve the problem, since synthetics can still be made and since time is infinate, they would wipe out all organics in the galaxy eventually.


read more...assume less...but i am done showing people whats actually in the game...use your brain...you will find the answers.


What do you mean? Nothing in synthesis says that new synthetics cannot be made, unless you can quote Harbinger/Starchild?


Of course new pure Synthetics could be made...but to achive what goal...?

Synthesis means that Organics are now able to evolve like Synthetics...
and Synthetics are now able to understand the value of induviduality...

There is no powergap between Synthetics Organics anymore. Both forms of life can now live as equals.

The difference in between Organics and Synthetics has been eradictated...so it is not the source of new conflict.

So new Conlict would not arise because of a evolutional powergap / understanding of life.


Possiblity 1:

Say it starts with me wanting a piece of toast. I make a toaster.

Then i need an information giver, like avina. So I make a VI.

Then I want an AI to run the ship instead of forcing a synthetic with free will to do it, as this would be immoral. This AI takes over the ship and kills everyone inside. It begins to develop a strong computer virus that can now affect the organic and synthetic mixes.

This virus causes all of this organic/synthetic tech to not function properly and, since we have grown used to the bonuses this provides, its much harder to lead our lives. And so we are weaker, and open to attack. This virus also causes the reapers to hate organics, and attack them with hatred being there motive.

Boom, no organics.

Possiblity 2:

I must remind you that synthesis makes everyone equals, but that does not stop war at all. In the same way that the English and the French we both humans, but they still fought each other.

Equality does not mean no war by any means. The wars would eventually kill so many people that VIs were made to fight. Just like the geth, they gain self-awareness. They kill their masters, since they are new and not affected by the synthesis magic.

They grow in strength, and build more and more of them. They wipe organic life eventually.

Boom, no organics.

Possiblity 3:

Synthetics come from another galaxy, which they have taken over, and are vastly more powerful than the organics and synthetics in the Milky Way. They attack.

Boom, no organics.

So, you see, since time is infinate, one of these things would eventually happen, and so alll options result in the same thing eventually

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@OP:
Yep, I'm happy with the EC endings, and I'm looking forward to story DLC like that Leviathan DLC, Retake Omega or something.

However, the statements in your signature are...odd...with all those contradictions that still exist in the Catalyst dialogue.

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savionen wrote...

Eluril wrote...

I am quite happy with the Extended Cut. Bioware went out of their way to respond to the fans in a way that no other studio would have. I feel similarly about ME3 Extended Cut as I did the Lord of the Rings Extended Edition films. It makes it richer and more complete, whereas the original versions were great but I still had "qualms". There are ALWAYS things that could be done differently or better but people need to be objective (ie don't place Mass Effect 1 with its huge technical problems and clunky gameplay on a pedestal)


A) Several studios have done this sort of thing before.
B) They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.


To B: No, really? Games are a business, just like movies. It is a waste of breath and pure utopianism to believe anything entertainment wise you own was made out of the "goodness" of the creators heart. It's a two way street.

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To help keep this thread on topic, I'll also say that I'm happy with the Extended Cut. It's a vast improvement over the original endings. It doesn't solve every plot hole perfectly, but it fills in enough gaps that I can figure the rest out for myself. Where the EC really excels is in providing real emotional closure for the trilogy. I was really impressed with the changes Bioware made - the ending of the EC just felt 'right'.

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savionen wrote...

B) They didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts.


Sometimes doing something out of the goodness of your heart and making a good business decision can be the same thing.

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I'm happy with the endings as well.