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[Grub Killer8016]

Come on Shepard, since you saved the galaxy, give us some wisdom!

[obZen DF]

Geezus! I thought: Wow, finally someone who starts a 'positive' topic.
Buuuut nope!
All the haters are gathering around this topic and are slowly taking steps closer and closer until this topic is consumed and dead.
It's a shame.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Grimwick wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Positivism for the sake of actually being positive and trying to make a place for like-minded people to congregate is absolutely necessary. And there is always a need for positivism, otherwise we'd all turn out like you. And who wants that, really?

There are plenty of threads for you to partake in that are more to your.... tastes. Instead of trying to troll threads that disagree with you, why don't you actually partake in the "discussions" in those threads?

The bold part isn't a valid point but the underlined one is. No need for unnecessary ad hominem flaming either. It appears people like you can only resort to insults.

And there appears to be double standards here. If I made a thread which is simply to gather people who hate the EC/ending then it would be instatrolled by supporters... so suddenly we aren't 'allowed' to make such threads. Also I am not trolling. I was raising a valid concern. Shame you guys blew it out of proportion.

Huh.

Not valid to you, maybe, but then I don't... actually care if you find it valid or not. And really, if you're going to complain about ad hominems, you should really not use them yourself first, then you might actually have a point.

There is no double standard, if you created a thread called ""I'm unhappy with the ending as it is." A thread for people who hate everything about the EC" anyone who didn't feel the same way would acknowledge that by the title, it was not going to be for us, and stay away.

There have been MANY threads that were purely negative with no actual discussion going on and with either a glance at the title, or the first few posts, I knew that and stayed out of that thread.

You weren't raising a valid concern. You were trolling. Please stop with the martyr complex.

Modifié par Father_Jerusalem, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:17 .

[Meltemph]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

There are no discussions to be had if everyone has the same opinions.

Incorrect. There are many discussions to be had. Case in point:

Did you like the endings before the EC, or was it the EC that brought you around?

Are there things you wish the EC had addressed that it didn't, while still remaining positive about the result as a whole?

Which of the endings do you prefer, and why?

Are there any endings you simply cannot see yourself choosing, and why?

Would you be interested in mid-campaign DLC even knowing it doesn't necessarily change the endings? Why or why not?

If you could have made your dream ending, what would you have made?

etc etc etc.

It took me 30 seconds to think these up. We can have a place where we're positive about the endings and yet still have meaningful, productive discussions.

Unfortunately, you and your ilk rush to anything even remotely positive in order to try and shut down or derail the discussion because you simply cannot conceive of a world where we don't all think in lockstep with you.

What you responded to, and what you responded with doesnt make sense.  Although I get what you are trying to say... People who liked the endings can get along just fine without all the "naysayers".  Also, your last post is pretty hypocritical since you I've read enough of your posts that, it is obvious you are no different then the peopel who dislike the ending.  Only difference is that those who dont like the endings are not in lockstep with you.

[Grub Killer8016]

obZen DF wrote...

Geezus! I thought: Wow, finally someone who starts a 'positive' topic.
Buuuut nope!
All the haters are gathering around this topic and are slowly taking steps closer and closer until this topic is consumed and dead.
It's a shame.

Yep, good forums like this don't last. It's sad. <_<

[Fauxnormal]

ANY WAY ANY WAY IGNORE GRIMWICK AND IT'S BLATHERING AND EVERYONE ELSE DETERMINED TO RUIN THIS.

GUIZ. GUIZ.

So I just started an ME3 playthrough romancing Tali and I hear her romance- especally at the end- is one of the best. I'm really excited for this; I LOVE Tali, and second to Garrus I think she may well be my favorite character. (Recurring character, I should say- Thane is pretty badass, and I WISH James was a romance option.)

So who was your favorite LI, and who do you wish had been made one? What do you think their farewell scene would have been like?

[Grimwick]

[quote]Father_Jerusalem wrote...

[quote]Grimwick wrote...


Positivism for the sake of actually being positive and trying to make a place for like-minded people to congregate is absolutely necessary. And there is always a need for positivism, otherwise we'd all turn out like you. And who wants that, really?

There are plenty of threads for you to partake in that are more to your.... tastes. Instead of trying to troll threads that disagree with you, why don't you actually partake in the "discussions" in those threads?

[/quote]

The bold part isn't a valid point but the underlined one is. No need for unnecessary ad hominem flaming either. It appears people like you can only resort to insults.

And there appears to be double standards here. If I made a thread which is simply to gather people who hate the EC/ending then it would be instatrolled by supporters... so suddenly we aren't 'allowed' to make such threads. Also I am not trolling. I was raising a valid concern. Shame you guys blew it out of proportion.

Huh.

[/quote]

Not valid to you, maybe, but then I don't... actually care if you find it valid or not. And really, if you're going to complain about ad hominems, you should really not use them yourself first, then you might actually have a point.[/quote]

Umm.. valid means valid irrespective of opinion. Oh, and I wasn't the one who started insulting people here, actually.

[quote]There is no double standard, if you created a thread called ""I'm unhappy with the ending as it is." A thread for people who hate everything about the EC" anyone who didn't feel the same way would acknowledge that by the title, it was not going to be for us, and stay away.[/quote]

I might take you up on this challenge.

[quote]There have been MANY threads that were purely negative with no actual discussion going on and with either a glance at the title, or the first few posts, I knew that and stayed out of that thread.[/quote]

Of course, that is fair enough. But if I wanted to discuss something/raise a concern I should be able to do it without being flamed - just as you should be allowed.

[quote]You weren't raising a valid concern. You were trolling. Please stop with the martyr complex.
[/quote]

I wasn't trolling. i was genuinely serious actually. It was a concern.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Fauxnormal wrote...

ANY WAY ANY WAY IGNORE GRIMWICK AND IT'S BLATHERING AND EVERYONE ELSE DETERMINED TO RUIN THIS.

GUIZ. GUIZ.

So I just started an ME3 playthrough romancing Tali and I hear her romance- especally at the end- is one of the best. I'm really excited for this; I LOVE Tali, and second to Garrus I think she may well be my favorite character. (Recurring character, I should say- Thane is pretty badass, and I WISH James was a romance option.)

So who was your favorite LI, and who do you wish had been made one? What do you think their farewell scene would have been like?

I was, honestly, a little disappointed with the Tali romance. It's certainly not as well done as the Ashley or Liara romances, but it's better than Jack/Miranda/Thane/Jacob... it's kind of middle of the road, frankly.

Though, when you go to the Reaper Dreadnaught mission and are romancing Tali, if you bring Garrus along, the banter is HI-LAR-I-OUS.

Honestly. It cracked my **** right up.

[Meltemph]

if you created a thread called ""I'm unhappy with the ending as it is." A thread for people who hate everything about the EC" anyone who didn't feel the same way would acknowledge that by the title, it was not going to be for us, and stay away.

That is just an incredibly neive statement. If there is a topic(or anything else that is similar) that you see, that you dont agree with, that doesnt mean one has to stay out of the topic. You make it sound cultish, where the people who are of one religion stay out of the topic about the other. It sounds contrived and incredibly silly.

Discourse is good, just because there are people who get too emotional doesnt detract from anything. If someone is so thin skinned that they cant handel a decenting opinion, the interent is not a healthy place to be for them.

There have been MANY threads that were purely negative with no actual discussion going on and with either a glance at the title, or the first few posts, I knew that and stayed out of that thread.

That is your own problem, nobody else has to deal with topics they dont like or agree wtih, like you do.

Modifié par Meltemph, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .

[ignicaeli]

ME3 endings are far from perfect.
I'd prefer any ending where my good ol'Shep lived on...

Well, that point put aside, lets be honest here. Since the fight against sovereign in the end of ME any sensible person would figure that there would be lots of deaths if confronting a lot of Reapers, and Sheppard is only human after all, he's as prone to die as anyone (As the begining of ME2 showed quite clearly).
The fact that Sheppard was mentally scarred and exausted after saving the galaxy twice came as no surprise at all.
Even though the ending "options" did not ressonate true to me, I could see where they were coming from, and they're as good an ending as any other.

In order to make an ending (or plethora of endings) that take into consideration all the options made in previous entries, developers would have to get back to the drawing board and basically re-do the whole game over. That's not even remotelly viable from a financial standpoint, and as such, I'd rather live with a half-hearted ending to ME3 and see Bioware stride forth towards new challenges (whilst keeping gamers desires and sensibilities in mind in the future).

[Fuzzfro]

As much as I think the updated endings are an improvement I find it very hard to believe that there is anyone who can watch the current endings and have absolutely no issues.
That being said I think we are all said and done for the endings, they aren't going to change it so I will just wait for the next dlc and hope it betters the game.

[squee365]

All the people who are happy don't frequent the forums you know. They've moved on to their next game, or they're too busy replaying the trilogy.

[Fauxnormal]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

ANY WAY ANY WAY IGNORE GRIMWICK AND IT'S BLATHERING AND EVERYONE ELSE DETERMINED TO RUIN THIS.

GUIZ. GUIZ.

So I just started an ME3 playthrough romancing Tali and I hear her romance- especally at the end- is one of the best. I'm really excited for this; I LOVE Tali, and second to Garrus I think she may well be my favorite character. (Recurring character, I should say- Thane is pretty badass, and I WISH James was a romance option.)

So who was your favorite LI, and who do you wish had been made one? What do you think their farewell scene would have been like?

I was, honestly, a little disappointed with the Tali romance. It's certainly not as well done as the Ashley or Liara romances, but it's better than Jack/Miranda/Thane/Jacob... it's kind of middle of the road, frankly.

Though, when you go to the Reaper Dreadnaught mission and are romancing Tali, if you bring Garrus along, the banter is HI-LAR-I-OUS.

Honestly. It cracked my **** right up.

Oh, I quite loved the Ashly and Liara romances; both were really well done and touching. I chose Synth on my Liara romance playthrough, and actually nearly cried a little because all I could think was no little blue babies, Liara, I'm sorry.

I know. 'm a total dork. 

OMG I can't wait. I love Tali and Garrus's banter, it usually proves entertaining.

[Fauxnormal]

squee365 wrote...

All the people who are happy don't frequent the forums you know. They've moved on to their next game, or they're too busy replaying the trilogy.

Well this is a silly  thing to say.

[Mazebook]

Fauxnormal wrote...

ANY WAY ANY WAY IGNORE GRIMWICK AND IT'S BLATHERING AND EVERYONE ELSE DETERMINED TO RUIN THIS.

GUIZ. GUIZ.

So I just started an ME3 playthrough romancing Tali and I hear her romance- especally at the end- is one of the best. I'm really excited for this; I LOVE Tali, and second to Garrus I think she may well be my favorite character. (Recurring character, I should say- Thane is pretty badass, and I WISH James was a romance option.)

So who was your favorite LI, and who do you wish had been made one? What do you think their farewell scene would have been like?

I thought the Kaiden one was really well executed...I like that he isn´t a guy of extrems...he is kind of normal...that´s refreshing.

I still have to see how Jack´s romance plays out but I really would have liked if she would be more integrated into ME3 plot (if she were present at the final push) [ her finding her purpose was great but a little more interaction with her I would have really liked]...

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

[SteffiSyndrom]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

If I didn't know better, I'd say you're a goon. I mean, seriously, you are all over it all the time. What is your deal?

To tell Bioware I like their game. If we can have 10 negative threads every single day, why shouldn't I be allowed to create a positive one? I feel Bioware deserves a little praise, for making one of my favorite franchises of all time, so I guess that's my 'deal'.  To tell Bioware to keep up their good work.

I totally agree. You know, if you dislike ME, BioWare, the ending, whatever ... so much then why even bother coming on THEIR website to diss THEIR game?! Is it like ... a lack of hobbies or so that some people have the constant need to complain about something? And then even go to the games website just to leave some hatred? Don't like it, don't play it. Easy as that. Or if you are unhappy with the ending, say so and then leave it at that and let it go. But don't diss people that LIKED the outcome of the game. I myself think that the ending, at least what I chose, was wonderful and very well developed and done!

[Fauxnormal]

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

Me, too. It's nice that the characters have paths and goals and lives of their own that don't revolve around the PC. Liara in LOTSB was cool like that, too.

[Mazebook]

Fauxnormal wrote...

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

Me, too. It's nice that the characters have paths and goals and lives of their own that don't revolve around the PC. Liara in LOTSB was cool like that, too.

or cheating Jacob...

I find it funny when the player can just decide what the characters should wear and which weapons they should take...

I would love a scene where shepard would say " Hey, thats not the Weapon I assigned to you."

Squadmate : "sorry, but I can´t shot s*** with the N7 crusaider"

Modifié par maaaze, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

While the OP is free to form his own opinion, the use of "perfect" is certainly misleading because the endings are far from that. My general qualm with positive threads on this subject is how few pro-enders are willing to explain their side. I say this only because anti-enders have had to do so countless times, even at the demand of BioWare because god forbid we do not praise their ever work. It does not help there have only been a "small minority" who did not default to "I don't have to explain it!" or "you just didn't get it." Always such a lovely strawman.

That said, I do agree the EC made things better, albeit only to the point of underwhelming. I at least want to play ME again and many times likely. So there is that.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:40 .

[Fauxnormal]

maaaze wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

Me, too. It's nice that the characters have paths and goals and lives of their own that don't revolve around the PC. Liara in LOTSB was cool like that, too.

or cheating Jacob...

I find it funny when the player can just decide what the characters should wear and which weapons the should take...

I would love a scene where shepard would say " Hey, thats not the Weapon I assigned to you."

Squadmate : "sorry, but I can´t shot s*** with the N7 crusaider"

Hahah, that's be great. Ashley just like 'Uh, sir? You want me to use what? No offense, Skipper, but the only thing I'll hit with this is a wall.' Of course you have equip them, being the player, but in my head cannon, it was always them grabbing the weapons they could use. Switching out at your command would be logical, but it was still them always picking their own weapons.

People spend so much time throwing TANTRUMS about Jacob 'cheating'. Honestly, they need to keep their personal issues out of a game, for one, and for another, I think it's brilliant.

A.  He never 'cheated' on you. You weren't together at the time, he wasn't sure he'd ever see you again, and you, what, had sex once, on the ship? Yeah, he had real reason to be devoted to you. /Snort.

and B. Like we said, it makes me seem way more real. He's a person with a life that doesn't stop when the PC isn't around. That's a great thing to add in any game.

[Oilking72]

I'd like to say that I'm surprised by the results of this thread, but I'm not. Have we proved through this little experiment that people that hate the endings can't read? I don't know, but if that's not the case then some serious OCD is going on here. They really can't help themselves, that much is clear.

I love how they twist a person's words around to make it seem like they're the innocent ones and you're somehow the aggressor. That's always amusing. BSN is such a complete effing mess today that it's just ridiculous.

As to the purpose of this thread:

I didn't like the endings as they originally stood. I could live with the choices and whatnot, but everything after that made no sense whatsoever. I would like to say this didn't affect me but I'd be lying. Normally I'd be playing this game over and over but that died out after a couple of plays. What the EC has done for me is make the nonsense make sense and fill in a lot of the blanks. It has made each ending a little bit more unique and most of all it has made me WANT to play this game again. Is it perfect? Is this how I envisioned the ME trilogy coming to an end? No on both counts.

Ending before EC - 4
Ending after EC - 7

As to the LI question:

- Liara was by far the most fleshed out and satisfying. Just an amazing job with her.
- Tali was good as well, but the best part of her romance was the dialog throughout the whole time she's with you. So much gold and everyone knows about the emergency induction port. Love scene was a disappointment. Face thing was a missed opportunity. It was still good though.

I look forward to any upcoming SP dlc to make this game even better than it already is.

[Mazebook]

Fauxnormal wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

Me, too. It's nice that the characters have paths and goals and lives of their own that don't revolve around the PC. Liara in LOTSB was cool like that, too.

or cheating Jacob...

I find it funny when the player can just decide what the characters should wear and which weapons the should take...

I would love a scene where shepard would say " Hey, thats not the Weapon I assigned to you."

Squadmate : "sorry, but I can´t shot s*** with the N7 crusaider"

Hahah, that's be great. Ashley just like 'Uh, sir? You want me to use what? No offense, Skipper, but the only thing I'll hit with this is a wall.' Of course you have equip them, being the player, but in my head cannon, it was always them grabbing the weapons they could use. Switching out at your command would be logical, but it was still them always picking their own weapons.

People spend so much time throwing TANTRUMS about Jacob 'cheating'. Honestly, they need to keep their personal issues out of a game, for one, and for another, I think it's brilliant.

A.  He never 'cheated' on you. You weren't together at the time, he wasn't sure he'd ever see you again, and you, what, had sex once, on the ship? Yeah, he had real reason to be devoted to you. /Snort.

and B. Like we said, it makes me seem way more real. He's a person with a life that doesn't stop when the PC isn't around. That's a great thing to add in any game.

agree I always choose consistency with characters or story before ultimate freedom of choise (Puppetiering not only Shepard but the rest of the Universe also)

which brings us back to the endings...I like that there sacrifieces in every one of them... that you are forced to sacrifice not only a part of your self but also how you view your self.

Modifié par maaaze, 08 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .

[Fauxnormal]

maaaze wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Fauxnormal wrote...

though I can see why they did not do that (I like that characters are no puppets who bend to the will of the player)

Me, too. It's nice that the characters have paths and goals and lives of their own that don't revolve around the PC. Liara in LOTSB was cool like that, too.

or cheating Jacob...

I find it funny when the player can just decide what the characters should wear and which weapons the should take...

I would love a scene where shepard would say " Hey, thats not the Weapon I assigned to you."

Squadmate : "sorry, but I can´t shot s*** with the N7 crusaider"

Hahah, that's be great. Ashley just like 'Uh, sir? You want me to use what? No offense, Skipper, but the only thing I'll hit with this is a wall.' Of course you have equip them, being the player, but in my head cannon, it was always them grabbing the weapons they could use. Switching out at your command would be logical, but it was still them always picking their own weapons.

People spend so much time throwing TANTRUMS about Jacob 'cheating'. Honestly, they need to keep their personal issues out of a game, for one, and for another, I think it's brilliant.

A.  He never 'cheated' on you. You weren't together at the time, he wasn't sure he'd ever see you again, and you, what, had sex once, on the ship? Yeah, he had real reason to be devoted to you. /Snort.

and B. Like we said, it makes me seem way more real. He's a person with a life that doesn't stop when the PC isn't around. That's a great thing to add in any game.

agree I always choose consitancy with characters or story before ultimate freedom of choise (Puppetiering not only Shepard but the rest of the Universe also)

which brings us back to the endings...I like that there sacrifieces in every one of them... that you are forced to sacrifice a part of our self and how you view our self.

I never saw it as the how you veiw yourself bit- interesting idea. I do think Shepard's sacrificing him/her self is the way this series should have ended. Honestly, in my first playthrough, I ran as a paragon Shep that kept going more and more renegade and more and more **** got to him. By the end, I knew he was a death seeker type. He just wanted everything to be over, and there was no other option for him by Destroy. My EMS wasn't high enough for him to survive, apperantly, but you know what? I was okay with that. He'd done what he'd set out to do, and now he could rest.

I am glad we have the option for Shep to live, though; bittersweet and hopeful, it also felt very nice.