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[Mcfly616]

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

[Shepard108278]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
Hmm, yes I know a number of people have issues with the very concept of the catalyst.  I did before EC, but now I understand it better and like what they did.  I have a feeling you just didn't like the path they took with the ending and no amount of extended cut scenes would fix the foundation of it for you.  It happens.  If they went another route, someone else would dislike it as well.

It stinks for you, though, as it seems you enjoyed the series.  I know I would be pretty let down if the endings didn't do it for me.

It's both "not liking the path" and "His introduction causes problems if you look at the past games".
And the last choice of ME2 and ME1 rendered so.... pointless.

Atleast the EC makes me feel something more than "WTF just happened".
Not much more, but eeehhhh....

You and I cleary have different views on choices.

[Ticonderoga117]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

[Ticonderoga117]

Shepard108278 wrote...
You and I cleary have different views on choices.

*Picks Anderson over Udina because he doesn't trust Udina to be in that position*
*Udina gets to be councilor anyway*

*Destroys Collector Base because he doesn't trust TIM with Reaper tech*
*TIM handwaves my choice and somehow still salavages Reaper Tech. Only difference, I get 10 less WA*

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

If we're happy with the ending, why bother? I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind. Just stop.

[Ticonderoga117]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
If we're happy with the ending, why bother? I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind. Just stop.

Because I can? Because people calling something "perfect" when important plot elements don't make sense gives me a headache? Because I can? Did I say that one already?

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
If we're happy with the ending, why bother? I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind. Just stop.

Because I can? Because people calling something "perfect" when important plot elements don't make sense gives me a headache? Because I can? Did I say that one already?

Here's a thread for you: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/13028280/2 

[Sundance31us]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind.

Indeed. At this point most people are entrenched in their opinions and aware of the counter-opinions; attempting to sway each other is counterproductive.

[Ticonderoga117]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
Here's a thread for you: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/13028280/2

But if we serperate the two factions, it will lead to chaos, we need SYNTHESIS!

Couldn't help myself there...

[Mazebook]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
If we're happy with the ending, why bother? I doubt you're going to change anyone's mind. Just stop.

Because I can? Because people calling something "perfect" when important plot elements don't make sense gives me a headache? Because I can? Did I say that one already?

Yes you can...but should you?

As I see it...you just want to force people into taking your point of view. 
Accepting other peoples Opinions that are not your own is a virtue.

This is a thread were mindlike people can express their positive feelings about Mass Effects Endings.
There are other threads were you can make your points about the ending ...this is not one of them.

EDIT: OP ,maybe it would help if you would link to the other thread in your  initial Post

Modifié par maaaze, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:01 .

[Mcfly616]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

Haven't seen you point out a "hole" yet.....none that can't be explained atleast

[Ticonderoga117]

maaaze wrote...
Yes you can...but should you?

As I see it...you just want to force people into taking your point of view. 
Accepting other peoples Opinions that are not your own is a virtue.

This is a thread were mindlike people can express their positive feelings about Mass Effects Endings.
There are other threads were you can make your points about the ending ...this is not one of them.

But this thread is about the endings, just because I have a different point of view doesn't mean you should go "Lalala, can't hear you, go elsewhere with your heresy."

Mcfly616 wrote...
Haven't seen you point out a "hole" yet.....none that can't be explained atleast

If the Catalyst controls the Reapers and resides in the Citadel and can control it, why is a Reaper Vanguard needed at all?

Or, why did Soverign need to go to the Citadel anyway to open it if his boss can do it.

If each Reaper is each an independant nation, why are they controlled by a singular AI like construct?

If the Citadel is the key piece of the superweapon, and the Citadel is always captured before anyone knows what the hell is going on, why is it part of the plans?

[xsdob]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
Yes you can...but should you?

As I see it...you just want to force people into taking your point of view. 
Accepting other peoples Opinions that are not your own is a virtue.

This is a thread were mindlike people can express their positive feelings about Mass Effects Endings.
There are other threads were you can make your points about the ending ...this is not one of them.

But this thread is about the endings, just because I have a different point of view doesn't mean you should go "Lalala, can't hear you, go elsewhere with your heresy."

Mcfly616 wrote...
Haven't seen you point out a "hole" yet.....none that can't be explained atleast

If the Catalyst controls the Reapers and resides in the Citadel and can control it, why is a Reaper Vanguard needed at all?

Or, why did Soverign need to go to the Citadel anyway to open it if his boss can do it.

If each Reaper is each an independant nation, why are they controlled by a singular AI like construct?

If the Citadel is the key piece of the superweapon, and the Citadel is always captured before anyone knows what the hell is going on, why is it part of the plans?

What evidence do you have that the catalyst controls the citadel?

[Ticonderoga117]

xsdob wrote...
What evidence do you have that the catalyst controls the citadel?

Well, after Shepard passes out from blood loss, the Citadel then proceeds to open up further and the elevator "to heaven" starts up and carries Shepard to the Catalyst all at the whim of... someone.

Now, the Cruicible is just a big battery and the group of beings who modified the Citadel were the Ilos Protheans. They, however, did that work after everyone else was dead, had no knowledge of the Cruicible, and thus none of thier work modifying the Citadel could be applied to the Cruicible.

Also, the  Catalyst says "No, the Citadel is part of me."

Now, since he's "more than an AI", it would be remiss to think that he can't control a giant space station that is only able to handle part of him.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

I think the ending was… decent. It could have been better but at least now it's something I can live with. I can actually play mass effect again without a horrible feeling of futility but I would not call this ending "good", merely acceptable.

[xsdob]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

xsdob wrote...
What evidence do you have that the catalyst controls the citadel?

Well, after Shepard passes out from blood loss, the Citadel then proceeds to open up further and the elevator "to heaven" starts up and carries Shepard to the Catalyst all at the whim of... someone.

Now, the Cruicible is just a big battery and the group of beings who modified the Citadel were the Ilos Protheans. They, however, did that work after everyone else was dead, had no knowledge of the Cruicible, and thus none of thier work modifying the Citadel could be applied to the Cruicible.

Also, the  Catalyst says "No, the Citadel is part of me."

Now, since he's "more than an AI", it would be remiss to think that he can't control a giant space station that is only able to handle part of him.

Well, my liver is part of me and I can't control it much either.

Also, why would he question why shepard is up there with him with low ems if he's the one who brought him up in the first place?

[Torrible]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

 

I'll address a few of the still existing gripes:

-Catalyst considered to be a Deus Ex Machine

There have been several debates about whether the Catalyst is a Macguffin or DEM. Ojectively speaking, arguments on both sides have been equally convincing. There is no consensus about this at all, except among the more persistent haters.

-Synthesis is space magic

Rebuttal @ the Synthesis Compendium thread: 
http://social.biowar...ex/12153660/121

- Why did Harbinger choose not to shoot at the Normandy?

Many explanations for this that require little more than a bit of imagination.
Normandy in stealth mode. Reaper IFF hides it from Reaper detection long enough for the excavation. Harbinger's aim is to stop people from entering the beam, not running away from it. More plausible explanations in the existing threads.

-If each Reaper is each an independant nation, why are they controlled by a singular AI like construct?

Illusion of free will. Since the Reapers were created by the Catalyst, it's not a stretch of the imagination for the Catalyst to control their conscious beliefs, plant desires in them and so on.

[Grimwick]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Haha haters really have nothing better to.do but get on an EC "appreciation" thread and troll

Less trolling, more "showing the iceberg sized holes in a "perfect" ending".

Haven't seen you point out a "hole" yet.....none that can't be explained atleast

An appeal to probability. That's a massive hole right there.

[Mcfly616]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

maaaze wrote...
Yes you can...but should you?

As I see it...you just want to force people into taking your point of view. 
Accepting other peoples Opinions that are not your own is a virtue.

This is a thread were mindlike people can express their positive feelings about Mass Effects Endings.
There are other threads were you can make your points about the ending ...this is not one of them.

But this thread is about the endings, just because I have a different point of view doesn't mean you should go "Lalala, can't hear you, go elsewhere with your heresy."

Mcfly616 wrote...
Haven't seen you point out a "hole" yet.....none that can't be explained atleast

If the Catalyst controls the Reapers and resides in the Citadel and can control it, why is a Reaper Vanguard needed at all?

Or, why did Soverign need to go to the Citadel anyway to open it if his boss can do it.

If each Reaper is each an independant nation, why are they controlled by a singular AI like construct?

If the Citadel is the key piece of the superweapon, and the Citadel is always captured before anyone knows what the hell is going on, why is it part of the plans?

Each Reaper is an independant nation that was enslaved in Reaper form....

The Citadel is part of the plan because its the only thing that can essentially stop the Reapers(their own creation, their own technology). Or maybe the past civilizations that designed the Crucible, were aware of the Catalysts existence and designed the Crucible to alter the "variables"

And for the good old "why does Sovereign even need to be there in ME1?". Well, you're implying that the Catalyst involves himself and micromanages every damn detail. It's a cycle. He let's the cycle play out. Hence why he's inclined to let Shepard pick the new solution, because he realizes that his wont work.....

[Ticonderoga117]

xsdob wrote...
Well, my liver is part of me and I can't control it much either.

Also, why would he question why shepard is up there with him with low ems if he's the one who brought him up in the first place?

Are you an AI that controls space squids? So I don't think that analogy applies here.

Maybe he's trying to get Shepard's opinion? Still doesn't explain the Citadel arms or the elevator.

Shepard didn't do it.
Anderson certainly didn't do it.
TIM certainly didn't do it.
Hackett defiantly didn't do it.

So... yeah...

[Mazebook]

I would like to remind everyone that this is not a thread to discuss if the endings make sense or not(There are thousands of those).

This is a Thread about your positive feelings about the ending.

[ I know i did derail the thread earlier by engaging in a conversation about Synthesis and that was stupid of me...let´s not make the same mistake again...shall we?!]

Modifié par maaaze, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:02 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

maaaze wrote...

I would like to remind everyone that this is not a thread to discuss if the endings make sense or not(There are thousands of those).

This is a Thread about your positive feelings about the ending.

Yeah, please try and keep on topic. 

[Ticonderoga117]

Mcfly616 wrote...
Each Reaper is an independant nation that was enslaved in Reaper form....

The Citadel is part of the plan because its the only thing that can essentially stop the Reapers(their own creation, their own technology). Or maybe the past civilizations that designed the Crucible, were aware of the Catalysts existence and designed the Crucible to alter the "variables"

And for the good old "why does Sovereign even need to be there in ME1?". Well, you're implying that the Catalyst involves himself and micromanages every damn detail. It's a cycle. He let's the cycle play out. Hence why he's inclined to let Shepard pick the new solution, because he realizes that his wont work.....

1. Sovierign: "We are each a nation. Independant."
He did not say "We were each an indepandant nation until we became Reapers."

2a. The Citadel doesn't help anyone if it's always captured by the Reapers and no one can ever reach it. It's like me designing a weapon requiring a rock from Pluto. I can't get there, so why make a weapon that hinges on it?

2b. The Protheans only theorized that there was something else pulling the strings. No hard proof. And, since the Cruicible is a big battery, how does it "change the varibales"?

3. He doesn't need to micromanage, but when his solution (Remember, still ME1) is roadblocked because of a monkey wrench, I think it's time to intervene and get things back on schedule. Besides, if he "let's the cycle play out", he could fail his goal of not "preserving organic races because they all got wiped out". Since this is his only reason to exist, he wouldn't jeaperdise it.

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I
would like to remind everyone that this is not a thread to discuss if
the endings make sense or not(There are thousands of those).

This is a Thread about your positive feelings about the ending.

Yeah, please try and keep on topic. 

I'm postive these are a part of the ending, and sink any happy thoughts about it.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:01 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

maaaze wrote...

I
would like to remind everyone that this is not a thread to discuss if
the endings make sense or not(There are thousands of those).

This is a Thread about your positive feelings about the ending.

Yeah, please try and keep on topic. 

I'm postive these are a part of the ending, and sink any happy thoughts about it.

No. Just.. use the other thread if you want to talk about the stuff you don't like. Please.

[RiouHotaru]

I'm fine with the EC as is, especially since it causes people like TAO to have fits over things. Although, in retrospect, looking at the EC, I realized how much I missed the vanilla endings as well.