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[Megachaz]

Megachaz wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Sniping in general is pretty pointless now. Still doable, no point though as it' not as effective as many other things.

Depends on how you play your sniper. If you're trying to be a tank buster, yeah, it's going to be far less effective. But if you're playing as a supporter, hitting smaller targets while more effective classes hit the bigger things, then snipers are still entirely as effective as it was before.

This.

If you can reliably headshot, snipers are still crazy effective.  And the BW is still good.  If you can headshot.  Which you should be doing anyway.

EDIT:

Finnegone wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

It's pointless becuase of the krysae and the reegar carbine. And those are just Rares.

This.

Krysae X does 39 less damage per shot than a BW X (595 vs 635), provides astounding AOE, ignores shield gate, and anyone can use it. 

BW X gets headshots and .25 m penetration. Yippee

Although this is defintely a problem.  I don't use the Krysae because it makes the game boring to me, but the gun is still way overpowered.

[Biotic_Warlock]

They did buff the BW a few weeks ago i believe.

[Fox-snipe]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

They did buff the BW a few weeks ago i believe.

They decreased the weight of a B. Widow I (weight of X is still the same), nothing else has changed with the weapon since the game came out.

[Finnegone]

Megachaz wrote...

Megachaz wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Sniping in general is pretty pointless now. Still doable, no point though as it' not as effective as many other things.

Depends on how you play your sniper. If you're trying to be a tank buster, yeah, it's going to be far less effective. But if you're playing as a supporter, hitting smaller targets while more effective classes hit the bigger things, then snipers are still entirely as effective as it was before.

This.

If you can reliably headshot, snipers are still crazy effective.  And the BW is still good.  If you can headshot.  Which you should be doing anyway.

EDIT:

Finnegone wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

It's pointless becuase of the krysae and the reegar carbine. And those are just Rares.

This.

Krysae X does 39 less damage per shot than a BW X (595 vs 635), provides astounding AOE, ignores shield gate, and anyone can use it. 

BW X gets headshots and .25 m penetration. Yippee

Although this is defintely a problem.  I don't use the Krysae because it makes the game boring to me, but the gun is still way overpowered.

I don't use the Krysae either (nor do I use my BW -  can't stand normal sniper scopes), and won't play with anyone who uses it. My point was only that, unless you're an aim bot headshotting kill god, the Krysae outclasses the BW by a significant margin. It's rather boring to watch two infilitrators destroy gold simply because they're rocking Krysaes. It's incidentally also a red flag for a missile glticher.

Modifié par Finnegone, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:21 .

[joker_jack]

Finnegone wrote...

Megachaz wrote...

Megachaz wrote...

KiraTsukasa wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Sniping in general is pretty pointless now. Still doable, no point though as it' not as effective as many other things.

Depends on how you play your sniper. If you're trying to be a tank buster, yeah, it's going to be far less effective. But if you're playing as a supporter, hitting smaller targets while more effective classes hit the bigger things, then snipers are still entirely as effective as it was before.

This.

If you can reliably headshot, snipers are still crazy effective.  And the BW is still good.  If you can headshot.  Which you should be doing anyway.

EDIT:

Finnegone wrote...

Rotacioskapa wrote...

It's pointless becuase of the krysae and the reegar carbine. And those are just Rares.

This.

Krysae X does 39 less damage per shot than a BW X (595 vs 635), provides astounding AOE, ignores shield gate, and anyone can use it. 

BW X gets headshots and .25 m penetration. Yippee

Although this is defintely a problem.  I don't use the Krysae because it makes the game boring to me, but the gun is still way overpowered.

I don't use the Krysae either (nor do I use my BW -  can't stand normal sniper scopes), and won't play with anyone who uses it. My point was only that, unless you're an aim bot headshotting kill god, the Krysae outclasses the BW by a significant margin. It's rather boring to watch two infilitrators destroy gold simply because they're rocking Krysaes. It's incidentally also a red flag for a missile glticher.

Must people I've seen do the glitch have been using the striker. Numbers and real in game performance, the bw is sadly outperformed by the paladin. A pistol of all things can out dps the thing. There is a real problem if a pistol can do better than a sr that should in therory deliver more hurt.  

[WaffleCrab]

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

[joker_jack]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

Modifié par joker_jack, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:41 .

[WaffleCrab]

joker_jack wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

[exxtrooper]

WaffleCrab wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

Explain Viper.

[SeaJayX]

It's not so much the TC nerf that killed it but the fix-nerf of removing boss headshots.

It's definitely not the same gun it was at release.

[WaffleCrab]

exxtrooper wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

Explain Viper.

Prefered gun till i got Saber, I used it for combat sniper builds when i needed more punch than mattock. Till i unlocked Saber.

[Poison_Berrie]

ntrisley wrote...

My numbers are straight from the game, as of today.

I'll take your word on it that my numbers are off, because I'm seeing nothing in-game or on the Game Balance Changes which denote specific abilities are multiplicative v. additive.

Test and coalesed check and Eric Fagnan have confirmed that indeed the SR bonus is multiplicative to base damage.

Praetorius wrote...

I agree, pretty much. Given that the valiant has such low recoil and such a fast reload time, The BW should do alot more damage. It should just be slightly less than the widow. Not just slightly more than the valiant. Especially considering its rarity. As long as I can continue to take out Brutes in very short order with my Gethfiltrator.

BW I: 514
Valiant I: 317

[DrHolyman]

I prefer my Incisor X; I love its low damage and high recoil.

[StrawHatMoose]

I don't really snipe so I can't say anything. But valiant is pretty amazing.

[Umphrey37]

If you get bored with the Valiant and Krysae...

[exxtrooper]

WaffleCrab wrote...

exxtrooper wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

Explain Viper.

Prefered gun till i got Saber, I used it for combat sniper builds when i needed more punch than mattock. Till i unlocked Saber.

The carnifex has less weight, more damage, less recoil, faster right of fire etc. There is literally absolutely no reason to ever touch this gun whatsoever.

[JLoco11]

My BW is used on a Turian Soldier with Marksman... Rate of fire increase & stability increase gives it a much needed boost

[WaffleCrab]

exxtrooper wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

exxtrooper wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

joker_jack wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.

Agreed

CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

Explain Viper.

Prefered gun till i got Saber, I used it for combat sniper builds when i needed more punch than mattock. Till i unlocked Saber.

The carnifex has less weight, more damage, less recoil, faster right of fire etc. There is literally absolutely no reason to ever touch this gun whatsoever.

your so full of ****, at lvx they both do the same damage, carny being less accurate(by about 15-20%), slightly less heavy, and carnifex does not get the damage bonus from scoped shots, has slightly faster fire rate than viper though, but less max ammo. Also the piercing mod difference is significant, 1,1 meters with 40% damage reduction on heavy pistols, 1,35 meters and 30% damage reduction on sniper rifles. so get your facts right before you start saying **** like you said before. You are 10 years early trying to lecture people on weapon choices. When making a combat sniper, viper beats carnifex hands down.

Edit: put a piece of paper at the end of the damage bar on your screen, hold it there, switch between lvx carny and viper if you got difficulties believing me. that is about as simple way i can tell you how to confirm this yourself.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:06 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

I outscored a Kyrsae SR Inf. by 40K the last time I used that weapon. Sure, it's not as powerful as it used to be but it is still viable and one of the (if not the) best sniper rifles.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:19 .

[WaffleCrab]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

I outscored a Kyrsae SR Inf. by 40K the last time I used that weapon. Sure, it's not as powerful as it used to be but it is still viable and one of the (if not the) best sniper rifles.

I just outscored a krysae user in silver game with a viper + shockwave batarian combat sniper. doing nothing but stripping defences and setting up easy kills for people. and the krysae user had the audacity to call me on a "Cheap build" Wow... people these days.

[TacoknightIV]

What is this? I dont even...

[exxtrooper]

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

[quote]exxtrooper wrote...

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

[quote]exxtrooper wrote...

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

[quote]joker_jack wrote...

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

[quote]Ashen Earth wrote...

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

[quote]Immortal Strife wrote...

My biggest issue with all the changes and weapon introduction (Krysae) is that accuracy is less rewarding now. Shield gate, no boss headshot/weak points, the Krysae AoE, the clamore and reager doing more damage than snipers, all contribute to a multiplayer mode that is geared for less precision; I really don't see how Bioware views such "Balance" as more fun.[/quote]

Agreed

[quote] CaptainTeabag wrote...

BW is kinda lame in comparison to the Valiant and Krysae
[/quote]

Spoken like a person who has no idea how to utilize said weapon

[/quote]

The Black Widow, and Valiant both suck compared to the Krysae which does more damage, has an AoE, requires virtually no aim and is lighter.

And I can assure you I know how to utilize both the Black Widow and the Valiant.

[/quote]

doesnt seem like it, since i can take down the bosses down faster with my BW 2 than you with your krysae 10.

[/quote]

I've outshot valient, bw users with the krysae. Also done the same with bw, canfex and palidan. Anyone good at head shotting can. Your point? 

[/quote]

my point is, what i have been saying dozens of times, no such thing as a bad gun, just a player who doesnt know how to utilize them, the other poster didnt seem to understand that some guns arent meant for everyone

[/quote]

Explain Viper.

[/quote]

Prefered gun till i got Saber, I used it for combat sniper builds when i needed more punch than mattock. Till i unlocked Saber.

[/quote]

The carnifex has less weight, more damage, less recoil, faster right of fire etc. There is literally absolutely no reason to ever touch this gun whatsoever.

[/quote]

your so full of ****, at lvx they both do the same damage, carny being less accurate(by about 15-20%), slightly less heavy, and carnifex does not get the damage bonus from scoped shots, has slightly faster fire rate than viper though, but less max ammo. Also the piercing mod difference is significant, 1,1 meters with 40% damage reduction on heavy pistols, 1,35 meters and 30% damage reduction on sniper rifles. so get your facts right before you start saying **** like you said before. You are 10 years early trying to lecture people on weapon choices. When making a combat sniper, viper beats carnifex hands down.

Edit: put a piece of paper at the end of the damage bar on your screen, hold it there, switch between lvx carny and viper if you got difficulties believing me. that is about as simple way i can tell you how to confirm this yourself.

[/quote]

In-game stat bars aren't always completely accurate. Carnifex does 276.1 - 345.1 damage while Viper does 265.5 - 332 damage, so you're wrong on that note. Carnifex less accurate by 15-20%? Where did you get those numbers from, the paper you put on your screen? Only slightly faster rate of fire? Carnifex fire 100 RPM while Viper fires only at 70 RPM, that's a 30% difference, it's like having a free marksman bonus!

Viper doesn't get a damage bonus from "scoped" shots, snipers only do less damage while they're not scoped, so yet again you are wrong.  Oh we're talking about penetration power now? Because weapons efficency are based on how much they can penetrate as opposed to weight, damage, recoil and such? Well this obviously makes the Javelin the best gun in the game, as it has the highest penetration in the entire game, so why not use the Javelin over the Viper then?

We're making a combat sniper now? How exciting! I was unaware that you could make weapons in this game! Let's make a combat shotgun instead that sounds a lot more fun then a sniper rifle!

Though in terms of the snipers that exist, I'm pretty sure the low rate of fire, low damage, low penetration on the Viper wouldn't make it a good "combat sniper", seeing as there are lots of weapons that beat it in terms of, pretty much everything really.

Also 10 years early? I must get up really early in the morning!

[quote]WaffleCrab wrote...

 so get your facts right before you start saying **** like you said before.

[/quote]

Well, looking at how many of your arguments were wrong, I belive you are the one who needs to get your "facts" right.

Did I mention you were wrong?

Modifié par exxtrooper, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[Aiiro]

My Black Widow VI would beg to differ.

[tMc Tallgeese]

I know how to fix this....








....Incisor. Problem solved.

[DarklighterFreak]

My Black Widow is level V, and a cloaked shot kills an Assault trooper, even if shot to the body, kills a geth trooper if paired w energy drain, and so does w a cannibal, and it is still ridicoulously effective at killing bosses, my 22 bullets are enough to kill 2 primes. Ah yes, I'm talking about gold, and i never use consumables, only my operative package. But that doesn't matter anyway, bcos i'm a maniatic and always try to line the shot to the head, and quiet successfully. You can kill Pyros w 1 shot, hunters w 2 shots... it still the best sniper rifle out there.