silentassassin264 wrote...
No you can't smart aleck because genos specifically refers to human beings. Genos does not refer to insects, Vorcha, rodents, Turians, Asari, Geth, etc.
Modifié par mauro2222, 08 juillet 2012 - 11:59 .
lol Quariacide. Technically though, it's still the same right? Wiping out a particular species.silentassassin264 wrote...
And now you pull out racism because you fail to understand language. Well let me give you a linguistics lesson. Genos refers ONLY to human beings. If you killed all the Insects or all the Quarians or all the Geth, it is impossible for it to be GENOcide because they are not GENOS, human beings. If you kill all insects, it is insecticide, since Quarians and Geth have no Greek roots it would be something like Quariacide or Gethicide if you killed all of them but it would not and could not be genocide because they are not genos.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
This did sound... racist?silentassassin264 wrote...
No you can't smart aleck because genos specifically refers to human beings. Genos does not refer to insects, Vorcha, rodents, Turians, Asari, Geth, etc.
I have taken a class in Bioethics at least and it is clear you haven't. You picked the option that killed the entire race of sentient machines and everyone else because you passively allow them to all be killed. You had the power and responsibility to save them and you let them die because you threw a temper tantrum because you couldn't get everything exactly the way you wanted it. You are morally responsible for all of those deaths caused by reject which are more than Destroy.Fandango9641 wrote...
**** me, you're actually using a semantic loophole to make a case for genocide? As for the post you quoted, you'll forgive me if I dont take my moral lead from someone who describes the death of EDI and an entire species of sentient machines as being little more than tough luck! Take a class in ethics lad, you're on your arse.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I respect what your saying but this is what bugs me, people see the worst in refusal. They automatically assume that everyone is dead, that they didn't put up a fight and diminished the Reapers numbers by a lot, that some didn't survive till the next cycle. I know in a way it headcannoing, but it's naive to think none of those things happen, and we allowed the next cycle to win.
There is a difference between murdering somebody directly and indirectly allowing murder to happen.silentassassin264 wrote...
You are morally responsible for all of those deaths caused by reject which are more than Destroy.
Nezedone wrote...
I believe we got into it in another thread (At 2:00 in the morning, for me, so my argument probably wasn't so great.) But, I have to say, that I agree with this statement.
All endings are morally horrible, and honestly they're all a different flavor of a very bitter-sweet ending.
Refusal gets everyone killed (or at least enough people so that a sustainable population isn't viable,)
Destroy annihilates the Synthetics that Shepard (or mine, at the very least) helped out and loved.
Control essentially makes Shepard into a god that polices the Galaxy (nothx.)
Aaand Synthesis turns everyone into a gross synthetic organic, in the same vein as the Reapers.
Can't we all just agree that every ending is horrible in its own, unique way?
I agree.Nezedone wrote...
Can't we all just agree that every ending is horrible in its own, unique way?
And you are are committing more massive murder by choosing reject and killing the Geth, EDI, and everyone else. You have the higher death toll and the fact that you are reveling in shows...disquiet.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Ok, you are committing a mass murder.silentassassin264 wrote...
And now you pull out racism because you fail to understand language. Well let me give you a linguistics lesson. Genos refers ONLY to human beings. If you killed all the Insects or all the Quarians or all the Geth, it is impossible for it to be GENOcide because they are not GENOS, human beings. If you kill all insects, it is insecticide, since Quarians and Geth have no Greek roots it would be something like Quariacide or Gethicide if you killed all of them but it would not and could not be genocide because they are not genos.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
This did sound... racist?silentassassin264 wrote...
No you can't smart aleck because genos specifically refers to human beings. Genos does not refer to insects, Vorcha, rodents, Turians, Asari, Geth, etc.
Now we are semantically correct.
I also agree,SMichelle wrote...
Nezedone wrote...
I believe we got into it in another thread (At 2:00 in the morning, for me, so my argument probably wasn't so great.) But, I have to say, that I agree with this statement.
All endings are morally horrible, and honestly they're all a different flavor of a very bitter-sweet ending.
Refusal gets everyone killed (or at least enough people so that a sustainable population isn't viable,)
Destroy annihilates the Synthetics that Shepard (or mine, at the very least) helped out and loved.
Control essentially makes Shepard into a god that polices the Galaxy (nothx.)
Aaand Synthesis turns everyone into a gross synthetic organic, in the same vein as the Reapers.
Can't we all just agree that every ending is horrible in its own, unique way?
Agree!
(that's my agree smiley)
Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:02 .
Nope.silentassassin264 wrote...
And you are are committing more massive murder by choosing reject and killing the Geth, EDI, and everyone else. You have the higher death toll and the fact that you are reveling in shows...disquiet.
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
I agree.Nezedone wrote...
Can't we all just agree that every ending is horrible in its own, unique way?
But you have to choose, that's the problem.
So you aren't an SS concentration camp guard gasing them but you are still Adolph Eichmann signing them away in the comfort of your office. (Someone else already godwinned so I am in the clear) Just because you are not actively killing them does not excuse your passive involvement. You can stop it and save everyone but you don't. Their blood is on your hands. Standing back and watching someone get killed when you have the power to save them is just as bad as firing the shot yourself.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
There is a difference between murdering somebody directly and indirectly allowing murder to happen.silentassassin264 wrote...
You are morally responsible for all of those deaths caused by reject which are more than Destroy.
In last case, you maybe morally responsible.
In first case, you go to jail.
Modifié par silentassassin264, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .
The problem is that endings centered around moral pivots.Nezedone wrote...
"My brand is awful is better than your brand of awful"
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Nope.silentassassin264 wrote...
And you are are committing more massive murder by choosing reject and killing the Geth, EDI, and everyone else. You have the higher death toll and the fact that you are reveling in shows...disquiet.
You not killing them. Reapers do. And you are fighting them.
As I said, I'd prefer to die fighting than to survive while losing something important in the process.
No, I'd say firing the shot by yourself is worse.silentassassin264 wrote...
Standing back and watching someone get killed when you have the power to save them is just as bad as firing the shot yourself.
Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:06 .
mauro2222 wrote...
Mine was wearing the Securitel Helmet (yeah the awful one which looks like a police helmet), Armax arsenal chestplate, Hahne-Kedar shoulders, Ariake arms and Serrice Council legs... a beautiful sense of combination. Now add the radioactive watermelon and we have something worthy of a french fashion runway.
TheClonesLegacy wrote...
I also agree,
It saves me writing the "None of the Choices were Right MK.II" thread.
Guest_Fandango_*
silentassassin264 wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
**** me, you're actually using a semantic loophole to make a case for genocide? As for the post you quoted, you'll forgive me if I dont take my moral lead from someone who describes the death of EDI and an entire species of sentient machines as being little more than tough luck! Take a class in ethics lad, you're on your arse.
I have taken a class in Bioethics at least and it is clear you haven't. You picked the option that killed the entire race of sentient machines and everyone else because you passively allow them to all be killed. You had the power and responsibility to save them and you let them die because you threw a temper tantrum because you couldn't get everything exactly the way you wanted it. You are morally responsible for all of those deaths caused by reject which are more than Destroy.
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
The problem is that endings centered around moral pivots.Nezedone wrote...
"My brand is awful is better than your brand of awful"
These pivots are kind of big deal for people, because they govern their whole lives and define the persons they are.
Hence its hard to get 'em slide...
I am not trying to force my choice on others. I am explaining why I made my choice. Feel free to ignore it.ghost9191 wrote...
so instead you lose everything that is important in the process of fighting to survive? your logic is weird. ah just go reject and get 14 species killed and turned into goo but stop trying to force your choice on others:huh:
Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:09 .
Yes, the choices are awful.Nezedone wrote...
But, morally, they're all -equally awful.-
Refuse inadvertantly gets everyone in the galaxy (or the majority) killed, ground up into a goo, or huskified.
Destroy annihilates the synthetic life that you might've preserved before.
They both -suck.- They're both -awful decisions.- Why even bother arguing? The morals behind both suck.
Modifié par zambot, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:11 .
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
I am not trying to force my choice on others. I am explaining why I made my choice. Feel free to ignore it.ghost9191 wrote...
so instead you lose everything that is important in the process of fighting to survive? your logic is weird. ah just go reject and get 14 species killed and turned into goo but stop trying to force your choice on others:huh:
I didn't see 14 species killed and turned into goo. Maybe some survived (looks like at least humans and asari did).
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