SMichelle wrote...
Pssst. You're just hitting your head against the wall here. Some people are determined to prove that their Shep made the only good/right choice.
Guest_Fandango_*
SMichelle wrote...
Nezedone wrote...
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My point is, they're all equally awful.
Refusal is pretty bad. It gets a lot of people killed and ground up into goop, plus it spawns a few additional reapers. Any losses inflicted upon the Reapers by the current cycle could be replaced, depending on how many individuals it takes to spawn a Reaper. The only thing that justifies this ending is the 'uncertainty' factor of the Catalyst. You cannot be 100% certain that he's telling the truth. For some that's a major factor in deciding to Refuse, for others, that's just more incentive to -not- take Refuse.
Destroy, whether you like it or not, consigns an entire species to extinction (and eff you if you destroyed the Geth over Rannoch. I unintentionally did it in my first playthrough and felt horrible.) I won't call it genocide, because it is not -intended.- It is collateral damage, but fairly significant damage -- and, to some degree, a betrayal of trust you earned. Bonded with EDI? Became best friends with Legion and the Geth? Sorry, you just shat all over them and their ideals, and killed them while you were at it. Shepard might save the galaxy this way, but they also damn themselves by doing it.
Neither is worse than the other. They are equally horrible.
Pssst. You're just hitting your head against the wall here. Some people are determined to prove that their Shep made the only good/right choice.
Fandango9641 wrote...
Saying that one choice is moral is quite separate from saying that the consequences of that choice are any more palatable than those of red, blue and green. Each choice carries with it horrible consequences, but it's a simple matter of fact that only one of those choices is morally justifiable.
How dare you question their Artistic Integrity!Nezedone wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yup they did, too bad every ending sucked. I think that's what they wanted to do with EC, "let's make the fanbase fight each other instead of us"ghost9191 wrote...
they wanted a ending that the fans would discuss i guess. i think they said that somewhere
but they really did a good job of splitting the fan base down the middle
The Deux Ex endings made sense for them, it should not be done for ME.
Agreed. The coherence of the game plummets once Godchild and the three choices enter the scene. Especially since two of them involve space magic, one exterminates an entire species, and one dooms an entire cycle.
Couldn't they have just given us a neat Harbinger fight and a Destroy ending that doesn't fry synthetics? That would've been lovely.
Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:37 .
Because it fit the tone of it's game, It does not work for Mass Effect. Had BW been less proudful maybe they would have scrapped the whole ending.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
I don't know why, but I never had such issue with Deus Ex endings as I did with ME.
Especially DE:HR endings, they all were just ...different..., but they were not horrible.
Guest_Fandango_*
SMichelle wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Saying that one choice is moral is quite separate from saying that the consequences of that choice are any more palatable than those of red, blue and green. Each choice carries with it horrible consequences, but it's a simple matter of fact that only one of those choices is morally justifiable.
*me hitting my head against the wall*
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How dare you question their Artistic Integrity!Nezedone wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yup they did, too bad every ending sucked. I think that's what they wanted to do with EC, "let's make the fanbase fight each other instead of us"ghost9191 wrote...
they wanted a ending that the fans would discuss i guess. i think they said that somewhere
but they really did a good job of splitting the fan base down the middle
The Deux Ex endings made sense for them, it should not be done for ME.
Agreed. The coherence of the game plummets once Godchild and the three choices enter the scene. Especially since two of them involve space magic, one exterminates an entire species, and one dooms an entire cycle.
Couldn't they have just given us a neat Harbinger fight and a Destroy ending that doesn't fry synthetics? That would've been lovely.
In all seriousness Mac Walters needs to learn some proper storyline writing. What kind of writer wedges a new character at the end of the story (last 10 minutes to be exact) that deeply interferes with the plot significantly. It just completely baffles me.
I honestly think it was intended more for the sole reason that he was a horrible writer, but, I guess it is a possibility. I won't be buying any ME DLC unless its amazing like LOTSB.Nezedone wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
How dare you question their Artistic Integrity!Nezedone wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yup they did, too bad every ending sucked. I think that's what they wanted to do with EC, "let's make the fanbase fight each other instead of us"ghost9191 wrote...
they wanted a ending that the fans would discuss i guess. i think they said that somewhere
but they really did a good job of splitting the fan base down the middle
The Deux Ex endings made sense for them, it should not be done for ME.
Agreed. The coherence of the game plummets once Godchild and the three choices enter the scene. Especially since two of them involve space magic, one exterminates an entire species, and one dooms an entire cycle.
Couldn't they have just given us a neat Harbinger fight and a Destroy ending that doesn't fry synthetics? That would've been lovely.
In all seriousness Mac Walters needs to learn some proper storyline writing. What kind of writer wedges a new character at the end of the story (last 10 minutes to be exact) that deeply interferes with the plot significantly. It just completely baffles me.
I'm going to have to be 'that' guy, but...
..one that wants to open up additional avenues for DLC. Come on, let's be honest, that's probably what they're doing. If the Leviathan DLC is true, it'll expand upon the Catalyst's origins.
zambot wrote...
As long as you (Shepard) believes the galaxy has a chance to defeat the reapers, then there's nothing immoral about picking refuse. Given that Shepard has regularly beaten "impossible" odds, I don't think it's too unreasonable for Shep to believe that chance exists.
Fandango9641 wrote...
SMichelle wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Saying that one choice is moral is quite separate from saying that the consequences of that choice are any more palatable than those of red, blue and green. Each choice carries with it horrible consequences, but it's a simple matter of fact that only one of those choices is morally justifiable.
I like how you state that as fact.
*me hitting my head against the wall*
Might do you some good!
SMichelle wrote...
Really. That's your response? Are you perhaps dehydrated or something?
Nezedone wrote...
I'm going to have to be 'that' guy, but...
..one that wants to open up additional avenues for DLC. Come on, let's be honest, that's probably what they're doing. If the Leviathan DLC is true, it'll expand upon the Catalyst's origins.
)
Guest_Fandango_*
SMichelle wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
SMichelle wrote...
Fandango9641 wrote...
Saying that one choice is moral is quite separate from saying that the consequences of that choice are any more palatable than those of red, blue and green. Each choice carries with it horrible consequences, but it's a simple matter of fact that only one of those choices is morally justifiable.
I like how you state that as fact.
*me hitting my head against the wall*
Might do you some good!
Really. That's your response? Are you perhaps dehydrated or something?
Modifié par Fandango9641, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:54 .
Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 12:55 .
Epic.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Deux Ex endings were amazing
Warning spoilers.
I'm back.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
All Spartans have to do to survive is to merge into Persian culture (be declared "friend of Persia" etc, etc). All of these things could be counsidered little more than matters of personal beliefs. But they abhorred this choice.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
If the Spartans had something that could defeat the Persians, I think Leonidas would've sure as hell used it, instead of saying, "No, we don't need it. One of our men might die, I don't want to sacrifice him, even if it might save all of us."Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Don't you realize how silly it sounds?SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard. But you made everyone else pay the same price. They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers. Instead you turned them into Reapers.
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.
And you know what's important? Lives are important. Survival is what we are all striving for.
Again, I say, not everybody is hell-bent on survival. Strange it may seem to you.
I noes rite.The Genophage wrote...
Epic.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Deux Ex endings were amazing
Warning spoilers.
Actually, His men wanted to go down fighting. But can we just drop it, I'm tired of arguing man....DEATHSCOPE wrote...
I'm back.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
All Spartans have to do to survive is to merge into Persian culture (be declared "friend of Persia" etc, etc). All of these things could be counsidered little more than matters of personal beliefs. But they abhorred this choice.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
If the Spartans had something that could defeat the Persians, I think Leonidas would've sure as hell used it, instead of saying, "No, we don't need it. One of our men might die, I don't want to sacrifice him, even if it might save all of us."Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Don't you realize how silly it sounds?SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard. But you made everyone else pay the same price. They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers. Instead you turned them into Reapers.
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.
And you know what's important? Lives are important. Survival is what we are all striving for.
Again, I say, not everybody is hell-bent on survival. Strange it may seem to you.
What you don't understand is that the Spartans do not have a race of sentient robotic beings bearing down on them, wanting to wipe out them out to the last men, women, and child. And again, Leonidas is just one man who thinks he's speaking for an entire culture of people. He refused and he and his men paid the ultimate sacrifice. Shame really.
And again we're back to the same argument in the other thread. I'm going to stop here before we begin to say the same things over and over.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Hold that thought. The girlfriend wants to go to Costco. Be right back. <_<Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
They did, they could have opt out, and I'm sure Leonidas would have still went down fighting, the same Shepard could have opt out by ending conflict but not on his terms.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
If the Spartans had something that could defeat the Persians, I think Leonidas would've sure as hell used it, instead of saying, "No, we don't need it. One of our men might die, I don't want to sacrifice him, even if it might save all of us."Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Don't you realize how silly it sounds?SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard. But you made everyone else pay the same price. They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers. Instead you turned them into Reapers.
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.
And you know what's important? Lives are important. Survival is what we are all striving for.
Good.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
And again we're back to the same argument in the other thread. I'm going to stop here before we begin to say the same things over and over.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Hold that thought. The girlfriend wants to go to Costco. Be right back. <_<Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
They did, they could have opt out, and I'm sure Leonidas would have still went down fighting, the same Shepard could have opt out by ending conflict but not on his terms.DEATHSCOPE wrote...
If the Spartans had something that could defeat the Persians, I think Leonidas would've sure as hell used it, instead of saying, "No, we don't need it. One of our men might die, I don't want to sacrifice him, even if it might save all of us."Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Don't you realize how silly it sounds?SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard. But you made everyone else pay the same price. They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers. Instead you turned them into Reapers.
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.
And you know what's important? Lives are important. Survival is what we are all striving for.
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