DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Under gun point? Shepard was bleeding to death. The Catalyst could have easily kicked him while he's down, but didn't. Why? Why give him three choices then?
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Sorry, that happens when you refuse to pick the three choices he wanted you to pick.DocGriffin wrote...
He doesnt say that, that's what happens if you choose not to save everyone. And yeah, big surprise, if you choose not to save everyone, everyone dies.
His Reapers kill everybody. By his command.
He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.
Well, personally my Shepard wouldn't pick any choice because from my Shepard's point of view there is no way to tell that Catalyst is telling the truth (in fact everything presented in very suspicious way). Blame bad writing for that.DocGriffin wrote...
My point is those are the choices that save everyone. Why wouldn't you pick them? And he even says 'it's now in your power to destroy us." He doesn't necessarily want that, he wants a new solution at whatever the cost.
If you're so upset about him killing everyone, pick any of the other choices where most or all of the galaxy lives.
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Well, personally my Shepard wouldn't pick any choice because from my Shepard's point of view there is no way to tell that Catalyst is telling the truth (in fact everything presented in very suspicious way). Blame bad writing for that.DocGriffin wrote...
My point is those are the choices that save everyone. Why wouldn't you pick them? And he even says 'it's now in your power to destroy us." He doesn't necessarily want that, he wants a new solution at whatever the cost.
If you're so upset about him killing everyone, pick any of the other choices where most or all of the galaxy lives.
If it would be written better, or my Shepard otherwise somehow will know 100% that choices are indeed do what they do, he will pick Control.
Modifié par DocGriffin, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .
Exactly, What does Shepard have left to lose?DocGriffin wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Well, personally my Shepard wouldn't pick any choice because from my Shepard's point of view there is no way to tell that Catalyst is telling the truth (in fact everything presented in very suspicious way). Blame bad writing for that.DocGriffin wrote...
My point is those are the choices that save everyone. Why wouldn't you pick them? And he even says 'it's now in your power to destroy us." He doesn't necessarily want that, he wants a new solution at whatever the cost.
If you're so upset about him killing everyone, pick any of the other choices where most or all of the galaxy lives.
If it would be written better, or my Shepard otherwise somehow will know 100% that choices are indeed do what they do, he will pick Control.
Well if you don't believe him, the others have a chance of saving everyone. Refusal is the only one where there's a 100% chance of everyone dying, and Shepard does know that. Why not just take his word for it?
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them. Leaving is the only scenario in which you're guaranteed to not get money, just as Refusal is the only option where it's guaranteed everyone dies.
Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:48 .
Again, this logic baffles me.DocGriffin wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Well, personally my Shepard wouldn't pick any choice because from my Shepard's point of view there is no way to tell that Catalyst is telling the truth (in fact everything presented in very suspicious way). Blame bad writing for that.DocGriffin wrote...
My point is those are the choices that save everyone. Why wouldn't you pick them? And he even says 'it's now in your power to destroy us." He doesn't necessarily want that, he wants a new solution at whatever the cost.
If you're so upset about him killing everyone, pick any of the other choices where most or all of the galaxy lives.
If it would be written better, or my Shepard otherwise somehow will know 100% that choices are indeed do what they do, he will pick Control.
Well if you don't believe him, the others have a chance of saving everyone. Refusal is the only one where there's a 100% chance of everyone dying, and Shepard does know that. Why not just take his word for it?
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them. Leaving is the only scenario in which you're guaranteed to not get money, just as Refusal is the only option where it's guaranteed everyone dies.
BecauseDocGriffin wrote...
Well if you don't believe him, the others have a chance of saving everyone. Refusal is the only one where there's a 100% chance of everyone dying, and Shepard does know that. Why not just take his word for it?
Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:49 .
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
And when you walk away with a Smug Smirk on your face you get your head blown off with a Sawed-off?Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:54 .
Sorry, but, as I said on first page, me "losing" or not is a matter of my personal interpretation. I play games to personally enjoy them, not to earn mark of approval from random people on the internetDEATHSCOPE wrote...
But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.
Off topic-Damn, where did you get that, I think I wrote that a long time ago.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:55 .
Umm, ... yes?TheClonesLegacy wrote...
And when you walk away with a Smug Smirk on your face you get your head blown off with a Sawed-off?Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.
Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.
He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.
But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.
Alot...Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Umm, ... yes?TheClonesLegacy wrote...
And when you walk away with a Smug Smirk on your face you get your head blown off with a Sawed-off?Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
And your point being?
...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.
Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.
He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.
But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.
Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:57 .
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Off topic-Damn, where did you get that, I think I wrote that a long time ago.Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
No, it's like somebody you never met in a place you've never being before claims that there is a million dollars behind each door.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
It's like if you were on a game show, and there were 3 doors. The game show host tells you there's a million dollars behind each, and you choose to leave the show because you don't believe him theres money behind them.
On topic-that person has also been trying to kill you for three years and you have no reason to believe him.
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
Sorry, but, as I said on first page, me "losing" or not is a matter of my personal interpretation. I play games to personally enjoy them, not to earn mark of approval from random people on the internetDEATHSCOPE wrote...
But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.
a) why machines cant lie? is it a law or what?TheClonesLegacy wrote...
...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.
how you even know he's really a machine?
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
a) why machines cant lie? is it a law or what?TheClonesLegacy wrote...
...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.
Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 09:58 .
If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson. He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy. In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.
Machine can't lie? Have you talked to EDI?TheClonesLegacy wrote...
...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...
He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.
Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.
He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.
But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.
Reapers Are Technorganic Life btw, the Catalyst isn't
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