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[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.

He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?  

Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.

He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.

But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.

Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?

...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.
Reapers Are Technorganic Life btw, the Catalyst isn't

Machine can't lie? Have you talked to EDI?

She's Programmed to learn from Humans, the Catalyst obviously isnt

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:00 .

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?
AI's, Machines same thing in my book.

Umm, giving false information to your enemy to subvert him into course of action you want, but can't force him to do? Isn't this logical enough?

How you know he's really an AI? Because he told you so? Hell, he could just human/alien-controlled CGI image. Again, you know nothing. It's just somebody you've just met.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.

He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?  

Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.

He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.

But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.

Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?

The word "metagaming" has been thrown around a lot of these forums nowadays. 

Well, that's the thing, you don't know. But like I said, he could've just let you wallow in your own pool of blood, but didn't. He gave you three choices, which seems to good to be true (I know, it's like those "You're our millionth subscriber!"). So, if your Shepard doesn't trust him, it's cool.

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.

He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?  

Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.

He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.

But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.

Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?

...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.
Reapers Are Technorganic Life btw, the Catalyst isn't

Machine can't lie? Have you talked to EDI?

She's Programmed to learn from Humans, the Catalyst obviously isnt

No she wasn't, She a sentien AI, she thinks for herself. And if anything, the Catalyst is far more advanced than EDI, he's a rogue AI, he can think for himself.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?
AI's, Machines same thing in my book.

Umm, giving false information to your enemy to subvert him into course of action you want, but can't force him to do? Isn't this logical enough?

How you know he's really an AI? Because he told you so? Hell, he could just human/alien-controlled CGI image. Again, you know nothing. It's just somebody you've just met.

What does that accomplish? What does That Gain the Catalyst? That's why you lie to Gain something.

By that Logic why should I trust anyone in Mass Effect?
Why should I trust anyone I know In real life?

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:03 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.

He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?  

Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.

He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.

But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.

Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?

The word "metagaming" has been thrown around a lot of these forums nowadays. 

Well, that's the thing, you don't know. But like I said, he could've just let you wallow in your own pool of blood, but didn't. He gave you three choices, which seems to good to be true (I know, it's like those "You're our millionth subscriber!"). So, if your Shepard doesn't trust him, it's cool.

Again, that's assuming he brought you up.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The Catalyst did explain to you that Shepard is the first to stand there, at that chamber, to converse with it, which caused it to rethink the cycle. So, nice try.

He didn't explain why Shepard standing in his chamber such a big deal though. How this connected to the whole synthetic-organics conflict he claims to prevent?  

Big deal or not, the point is that, he wasn't programmed that way, to give Shepard three choices. He wasn't holding anyone under gunpoint.

He could've let Shepard die, and then he would win. And he could've just changed his mind, and he would still win.

But he didn't. He presented your Shepard with three choices that did EXACTLY what he promised it would do, but you still refused. Ergo, your cycle dies. You lose. The other cycle might still win, but YOU lose.

Without metagaming, you can't know he's telling the truth. Please, tell me one reason why he would tell the truth?

...Because he's a Machine, they don't tend to lie.
Reapers Are Technorganic Life btw, the Catalyst isn't

Machine can't lie? Have you talked to EDI?

She's Programmed to learn from Humans, the Catalyst obviously isnt

No she wasn't, She a sentien AI, she thinks for herself. And if anything, the Catalyst is far more advanced than EDI, he's a rogue AI, he can think for himself.

Back up he can think.
I made my observation based on the Catalysts obvious Function.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?
AI's, Machines same thing in my book.

Umm, giving false information to your enemy to subvert him into course of action you want, but can't force him to do? Isn't this logical enough?

How you know he's really an AI? Because he told you so? Hell, he could just human/alien-controlled CGI image. Again, you know nothing. It's just somebody you've just met.

What does that accomplish? What does That Gain the Catalyst? That's why you lie to Gain something.

Well, he wants you to shoot the important-looking part of machinery, and this he outlined like "a best" choice for you. Hmm, maybe he wants you to break the machinery?

By that Logic why should I trust anyone in Mass Effect?
Why should I trust anyone I know In real life?

Because you knew them for some time and they proven to be trustworthy? Really, I am amused that you don't know answer to such simple question.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Your an Accomplice to Genocide in Refusal

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?
AI's, Machines same thing in my book.

Umm, giving false information to your enemy to subvert him into course of action you want, but can't force him to do? Isn't this logical enough?

How you know he's really an AI? Because he told you so? Hell, he could just human/alien-controlled CGI image. Again, you know nothing. It's just somebody you've just met.

What does that accomplish? What does That Gain the Catalyst? That's why you lie to Gain something.

By that Logic why should I trust anyone in Mass Effect?
Why should I trust anyone I know In real life?

Uhm, because most people in ME haven't killied millions and tried to kill you many times.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Your an Accomplice to Genocide in Refusal

Learn the definition of Genocide, according to it's definition, and I'm not commiting genocide by choosing refusal.

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Look if you're going off the fundamental 'wrongs' of each choice, Destroy is optimal. You called it a genocide, because it destroys the Geth. Refusal destroys the Geth as well, and also destroys every other race in your cycle. Destroy would be the obvious choice.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
what would be the Logical function of Lieing?
AI's, Machines same thing in my book.

Umm, giving false information to your enemy to subvert him into course of action you want, but can't force him to do? Isn't this logical enough?

How you know he's really an AI? Because he told you so? Hell, he could just human/alien-controlled CGI image. Again, you know nothing. It's just somebody you've just met.

What does that accomplish? What does That Gain the Catalyst? That's why you lie to Gain something.

Well, he wants you to shoot the important-looking part of machinery, and this he outlined like "a best" choice for you. Hmm, maybe he wants you to break the machinery?

By that Logic why should I trust anyone in Mass Effect?
Why should I trust anyone I know In real life?

Because you knew them for some time and they proven to be trustworthy? Really, I am amused that you don't know answer to such simple question.

He could always get a Husk to break it.

Believe Me knowing someone for Years and showing Trustworthyness means nothing.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

[/quote]
Back up he can think.
I made my observation based on the Catalysts obvious Function.

[/quote]The fact that he tells you his own personal viewpoints in things?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

Some people should really learn. Their ridiculous definition of "crime by inaction" wouldn't stand in any court. It's like saying you could be convicted if somebody shot someone because you've refused to jump like he ordered you to.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Your an Accomplice to Genocide in Refusal

Learn the definition of Genocide, according to it's definition, and I'm not commiting genocide by choosing refusal.

No but your letting it happen.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Look if you're going off the fundamental 'wrongs' of each choice, Destroy is optimal. You called it a genocide, because it destroys the Geth. Refusal destroys the Geth as well, and also destroys every other race in your cycle. Destroy would be the obvious choice.

Learn what genocide is, it doesn't apply to refusal.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:08 .

[TheClonesLegacy]

[quote]Khajiit Jzargo wrote...




[/quote]
Back up he can think.
I made my observation based on the Catalysts obvious Function.

[/quote]The fact that he tells you his own personal viewpoints in things?
[/quote]
Could've been his Creators Viewpoints.

[SMichelle]

silentassassin264 wrote...

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Maybe the Catalyst was lonely.  

[Khajiit Jzargo]

@TheClonesLegacy

Even though he's confirmed to be a rogue AI right? so can it be he's creator point of view, did you even pay attention?

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Again, this logic baffles me.
Taking a chance with your allies to lower down their numbers for the next cycle, and maybe try to survive via stasis pods=bad
Taking a change with your enemy who's been trying to kill you=good.

If he was trying to kill you, he would have let you bleed out with Anderson.  He brought you up there to have a chance to save your cycle since you got that far and you are rejecting him and his three doors with a million dollars behind each because he didn't have a special gold ending when you logic bomb him and he goes into an infinite loop and all the reapers deactivate themselves and you call Joker to pick you up and then party for 18 hours straight on the Normandy.   In essence, you are arrogant and entitled to have no chance of victory and then given 3 doors with a million dollars behind each and then walking away because you demand to have a door with a billion dollars and no one will give it to you.  

Your logic stinks.

Who says he brough you up? stop assuming things. Also, your mentioning that I won't make a decision because I don't personally like them, no, I won't make a decision because all of them are crime against mankind.

All of them are a cime against mankind?? Refusal literally destroys mankind!

So you rather commit genocide, slavery, and eugenics than to try to win? OK.

Look if you're going off the fundamental 'wrongs' of each choice, Destroy is optimal. You called it a genocide, because it destroys the Geth. Refusal destroys the Geth as well, and also destroys every other race in your cycle. Destroy would be the obvious choice.

Learn what genocide is, it doesn't apply to refusal.

Yeah but by that Logic, Hitler Never commited Genocide.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

Some people should really learn. Their ridiculous definition of "crime by inaction" wouldn't stand in any court. It's like saying you could be convicted if somebody shot someone because you've refused to jump like he ordered you to.

Still, morally you are obligated to do something. Just standing there watching as it happens is kind of dickish.

Modifié par DEATHSCOPE, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:10 .