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[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

No Shepard isn't commiting Genocide in Refusal HE'S LETTING THE REAPERS GO THROUGH WITH IT!

Umm, he's not? Because he will fight them to the death?

Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

By refusing he continuing to fight Reapers, you don't know what happens after the screen fades black. How isn't he doing anything?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
So, what you're saying is that you're the type of person that simply won't jump, even if it's a mean to save a life?

Sorry, jump where?

[SMichelle]

silentassassin264 wrote...

If use choose the reject ending which I am assuming you did, you might notice he turns the crucible off if you turn around and shoot him or outright reject his solutions.  He was giving you choice because he wanted to.

And as far as your crime against mankind stupidity, How the flying Harvesters is letting every advanced species die not a crime against mankind?  You have the power to save everyone and you instead walk away and let them die.  All their blood is on your hands and you carry all the guilt for their deaths because you could have saved them and you turned your back on not only humanity, but all the other advanced aliens. 

If you pick destroy, the Geth and EDI die.  Tough but if you pick reject you still are directly responsible for their deaths and the Asari, Turians, Humans, Volus, Elcor, Drell, Hanar.  Your point is moot.

If you pick Control, nobody dies.  And as far as the mass enslavement BS rant goes, the Reapers are machines given purpose and functionality by the Catalyst and vice versa.  You can't enslave the Reapers no more than you can enslave your own hands.  They are meant to serve the catalyst.  If you become the Catalyst they are your hands, existension of your will.

If you pick Synthesis, as far as the mass molestation BS goes, do you know what molestation means?  Now look at all those people spared death with the Reapers leaving.  Do they look "bothered" or "molested" to you?  Just because you headcanoned Synthesis to being some atrocity does not mean you are right as the ending proves otherwise.  Nobody (well maybe sans husks) would be complaining that they got transhumaned and upgraded to save them from certain destruction. 

Picking reject is the only war crime and you should be ashamed for even thinking it.  But instead you take pride and brutally sacrificing all of this cycle so they might dent the Reapers a little.  I hope to god you never get any high rank and have to make decisions for large amounts of people.

Insanity: to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. 

Many people who choose Reject claim their hands are clean because *they* didn't actually kill all advanced life.  You will never convice them otherwise.

I find this excuse to be rather hypocritical myself, but that's just me.  Seriously.  All ending choices are morally disgusting.  I admit it with my Destroy.  I just wish the "Rejectors" could do the same.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel
and don't say "Oh it happened off Screen" or say some Smug Retort Send me a Youtube link of the Video Showing it.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel

Point to me where he dies.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel

Point where he won't.
Scene just cuts of in this point of time, we don't know what happens after.

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


We all know what genocide is. Your implication is that because it's not your fault, it's not genocide, whereas Destroy was your decision, so it is. Fine. Fair. In that case, the Catalyst, who is controlling the Reapers, is the one commiting genocide. A much larger one. So, if given the option to commit a smaller genocide (I know, it sounds horrible, but bear with me) to prevent a larger one that includes the smaller genocide anyway, you wouldn't choose it?

Look, it may not be you commiting the genocide in Refusal, but it's still genocide.

You obviously don't know what genocide means.

Dictionary meaning of the word Genocide-"the deliberate and systematic destruction"
Refusal is neither, Destroy is both.

Excuse me? The Reapers systematically and deliberately destroy everyone in the galaxy, it's practically in their codex.

Finally, thank you for proving my point, The Reapers killed everyone in Refusal, not Shepard.

Yes! Correct! Did you read my post? And given the chance to stop that, you did nothing! You allowed that genocide because you didn't want a smaller one tainting your conscience! That's what I was saying.

Genocide cannot be defined as an inaction, how is an inaction the deliberately and systematically destruction of anything? It's not, we loss to the Reapers, but didn't commit genocide.

For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel

Point where he won't.
Scene just cuts of in this point of time, we don't know what happens after.

I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

[DEATHSCOPE]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
So, what you're saying is that you're the type of person that simply won't jump, even if it's a mean to save a life?

Sorry, jump where?

I'm just spitballing here, but do you have alzheimer? I'm terribly sorry if you do. 

 It's like saying you could be convicted if somebody shot someone because you've refused to jump like he ordered you to.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

That's just your headcanon.
All I know Shep didn't die even in Destroy, and he was battered much worse in this explosion.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel

Point where he won't.
Scene just cuts of in this point of time, we don't know what happens after.

I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

What your doing is called headcannon, you can't use that in an argument.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

That's just your headcanon.
All I know Shep didn't die even in Destroy, and he was battered much worse in this explosion.

No that's Logic.
And Shep does Die in Destroy if you don't obsessively Play MP.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
So, what you're saying is that you're the type of person that simply won't jump, even if it's a mean to save a life?

Sorry, jump where?

I'm just spitballing here, but do you have alzheimer? I'm terribly sorry if you do. 

 It's like saying you could be convicted if somebody shot someone because you've refused to jump like he ordered you to.

I wouldn't jump. Why would I? He'll probably just shoot the poor guy anyway. If I'll jump, I'll jump at him, not for him.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:27 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You have no problem saying you commited a war crime, genocide, an atrocity to win a war. You submitted to the Catalyst's ultimatium, and make a decision you would have never made out of fear of extinction just to ensure victory. You believed your enemy that was trying to massacre you the whole game, and probaly killed million. Sorry, if you wanna commit genocide just so you can live, you betray everything about what Shepard has done the past three games, and is naive to think everyone was turned to reaper goo.

One of our traits as organics is persistence, we will not surrender even though we know we will lose, If we lose, but manage to lower down their numbers, pass useful information to the next cycle, and maybe a few of survive till the next cycle, then it's a victory to me, and our cycle.

Nope.  Do you have a problem causing the extinction of all advanced life?

Do you really think they'll bring Shepard up on war crimes?   Seriously?  But it is fun to throw out inflamatory terms. My Shepard saved life.  Your Shepard wiped out life.  But at least no one will be around to blame you for it.

You didn't lose - YOU CAUSED GALACTIC EXTINCTION.  How's that for inflamatory? 

(not quite as cool as genocide I know)

Do you honestly think I care if they arrest Shepard or not, No! He's a genocidal freak either way.

Also, please explained how I caused galactic extinction, you already outright admitted you have no problem causing genocide, now please, indulge me, explain to me how I caused galactic extinction.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:28 .

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

That's just your headcanon.
All I know Shep didn't die even in Destroy, and he was battered much worse in this explosion.

No that's Logic.
And Shep does Die in Destroy if you don't obsessively Play MP.

Umm, how that's logic? Please explain in terms of sensible logical progression.
You belief about MP shows how misinformed you are. This was fixed in EC, requirement to get breath scene is mere 3100 EMS.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
Shepard dosen't do anything, The Fleets are fighting the Reapers to the Death,
Shepard is Standing on the Citadel dieing of the bullet wound.

Excuse me? I didn't see him die, and he does not die in Destroy, so...

Ok then, point out the Scene in Refusal when Shepard get's off the Citadel

Point where he won't.
Scene just cuts of in this point of time, we don't know what happens after.

I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

What your doing is called headcannon, you can't use that in an argument.

That's what the other guy is doing too, so Shut up if you have a Problem with me doing it.
But let me guess you agree with him so Instantly it's cool that he uses it.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
I know that's why it's far more likely that's where Shepard died.

That's just your headcanon.
All I know Shep didn't die even in Destroy, and he was battered much worse in this explosion.

No that's Logic.
And Shep does Die in Destroy if you don't obsessively Play MP.

Umm, how that's logic? Please explain in terms of sensible logical progression.
You belief about MP shows how misinformed you are. This was fixed in EC, requirement to get breath scene is mere 3100 EMS.

5401 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.
So don't say I was Misinformed

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:31 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

See it from my POV

Take a chance with allies and beat impossible odds
Take a chance with a kid that you know for about 99% is lying to you and beat impossible odds

I choose allies.

[Hadea]

jojon2se wrote...

@Hadea:

I'm afraid you may be speaking to people who just can't let a contrary opinion go unmocked...

I know, I know, I just can't see why we can't all hold hands and get along and sing "It's really just a game, tralalalala..."

Would it be so terrible to say all choices are perfectly valid?  Or is that heresy?

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5400 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.

Something broken for your game then.
Because
https://twitter.com/...335034787545088 
http://masseffect.wi...3:_Extended_Cut 

I've got it with about 3200 EMS and 50% readiness I think...

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:32 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...


That's what the other guy is doing too, so Shut up if you have a Problem with me doing it.
But let me guess you agree with him so Instantly it's cool that he uses it.

How is he headcannoing? your the one who said he would die, that's headcannoing, point to me where he did it before you?

[DEATHSCOPE]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
So, what you're saying is that you're the type of person that simply won't jump, even if it's a mean to save a life?

Sorry, jump where?

I'm just spitballing here, but do you have alzheimer? I'm terribly sorry if you do. 

 It's like saying you could be convicted if somebody shot someone because you've refused to jump like he ordered you to.

I wouldn't jump. Why would I? He'll probably just shoot the poor guy anyway. If I'll jump, I'll jump at him, not for him.

The point is to try, even when you know that your actions won't make an impact.

Refusal means standing by and letting the poor guy gets shot.

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The point is to try, even when you know that your actions won't make an impact.

Bingo. That's why my Shep chose fight to the death. Even knowing that win is most likely impossible.