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[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

See it from my POV

Take a chance with allies and beat impossible odds
Take a chance with a kid that you know for about 99% is lying to you and beat impossible odds

I choose allies.

The catalyst is not lying to you nor is there a chance he is lying to you.  If the Catalyst was trying to kill you, after you go up the elevator thing he would have introduced himself and when you asked if he could stop the Reapers, he would laugh at you and tell you where you could shove your gun.  He has no obligation to end the cycle and help you but he does anyway.  What does he have to gain by lying to you?  Watching you die in 3 unique and creative ways instead of bleeding and starving to death on the Citadel?  He holds all the cards and still offers you a chance.  If you do not believe him you are willfully insane.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:38 .

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

See it from my POV

Take a chance with allies and beat impossible odds
Take a chance with a kid that you know for about 99% is lying to you and beat impossible odds

I choose allies.

Fine. The issue of Catalyst trustworthiness is a matter of preference. Personally, my Shepard (or rather, I) knew the only way to stop the Reapers was with the Crucible. So if he's lying, fine, so be it, but I'm firing that SOB and giving it the best chance I've got.

Modifié par DocGriffin, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:34 .

[TheClonesLegacy]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5400 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.

Something broken for your game then.
Because
https://twitter.com/...335034787545088 
http://masseffect.wi...3:_Extended_Cut 

Explain to me how that would work?

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:35 .

[SMichelle]

Hadea wrote...

I know, I know, I just can't see why we can't all hold hands and get along and sing "It's really just a game, tralalalala..."

Would it be so terrible to say all choices are perfectly valid?  Or is that heresy?

No.  There is only one right answer - and everyone must admit that my choice was the only right one! 

(isn't that what all these threads are about anyway?)

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...

Fine. The issue of Catalyst trustworthiness is a matter of preference. Personally, my Shepard (or rather, I) knew the only way to stop the Reapers was with the Crucible. So if he's lying, fine, so be it, but I'm firing that SOB and giving it the best chance I've got.

True, but I gotta say it, your completely naive to believe the Catalyst, if your shooting it because you think it's your best chance so be it.

[DocGriffin]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5400 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.

Something broken for your game then.
Because
https://twitter.com/...335034787545088 
http://masseffect.wi...3:_Extended_Cut 

Explain to me how that would work?

Ingvarr is correct, the new requirement for EMS is 3100. Your score of 5400 is your war assets, not your EMS. At only 50% readiness, your EMS is a measley 2700, not enough to get the best ending.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

See it from my POV

Take a chance with allies and beat impossible odds
Take a chance with a kid that you know for about 99% is lying to you and beat impossible odds

I choose allies.

The catalyst is not lying to you nor is their a chance he is lying to you.  If the Catalyst was trying to kill you, after you go up the elevator thing he would have introduced himself and when you asked if he could stop the Reapers, he would laugh at you and tell you where you could shove your gun.  He has no obligation to end the cycle and help you but he does anyway.  What does he have to gain by lying to you?  Watching you die in 3 unique and creative ways instead of bleeding and starving to death on the Citadel?  He holds all the cards and still offers you a chance.  If you do not believe him you are willfully insane.

Umm, victory without losing anymore Reapers, or maybe synthesis the path they want you to go through?

[DEATHSCOPE]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The point is to try, even when you know that your actions won't make an impact.

Bingo. That's why my Shep chose fight to the death. Even knowing that win is most likely impossible.

Well actually, it's like you have a gun in your hand but chose not to use it and let everybody in the room gets shot. So, you did have a slim chance to win, but didn't utilize it.

[jojon2se]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5401 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.
So don't say I was Misinformed

I am pretty sure you can't have that much EMS without any of the extra-SP resources.
Sure you don't mean 5401 TMS?

[SMichelle]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The point is to try, even when you know that your actions won't make an impact.

Bingo. That's why my Shep chose fight to the death. Even knowing that win is most likely impossible.

And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard.  But you made everyone else pay the same price.  They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers.  Instead you turned them into Reapers.

[DEATHSCOPE]

SMichelle wrote...

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...
The point is to try, even when you know that your actions won't make an impact.

Bingo. That's why my Shep chose fight to the death. Even knowing that win is most likely impossible.

And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard.  But you made everyone else pay the same price.  They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers.  Instead you turned them into Reapers.

Bingo. 

[TheClonesLegacy]

jojon2se wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5401 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.
So don't say I was Misinformed

I am pretty sure you can't have that much EMS without any of the extra-SP resources.
Sure you don't mean 5401 TMS?

I don't Know anymore.
These Acronyms are starting to ****** me off though.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:43 .

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...


For the love of god, READ MY POSTS. I know you're not commiting genocide in Refusal! Correct, inaction is not genocide. The Reapers and the Catalyst are commiting it. You were given 3 valid options to STOP this genocide, and you allowed it to occur. No one said genocide is inaction.

So it's my fault I didn't believe my enemy. OK?, sure, got ya buddy.

What else did Shepard have to lose? Refusal was the only guarantee that everyone died. If there was even a hope of stopping the Reapers, wouldn't your Shepard have taken that chance?

See it from my POV

Take a chance with allies and beat impossible odds
Take a chance with a kid that you know for about 99% is lying to you and beat impossible odds

I choose allies.

The catalyst is not lying to you nor is their a chance he is lying to you.  If the Catalyst was trying to kill you, after you go up the elevator thing he would have introduced himself and when you asked if he could stop the Reapers, he would laugh at you and tell you where you could shove your gun.  He has no obligation to end the cycle and help you but he does anyway.  What does he have to gain by lying to you?  Watching you die in 3 unique and creative ways instead of bleeding and starving to death on the Citadel?  He holds all the cards and still offers you a chance.  If you do not believe him you are willfully insane.

Umm, victory without losing anymore Reapers, or maybe synthesis the path they want you to go through?

And how is synthesis lying to you?  He tells you what is does and it does exactly what he said it does.  Your cycles wins, he wins, everyone wins (even you do though you are dead).  

[Ingvarr Stormbird]

SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard.  But you made everyone else pay the same price.  They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers.  Instead you turned them into Reapers.

Don't you realize how silly it sounds? 
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.

Modifié par Ingvarr Stormbird, 08 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...


And how is synthesis lying to you?  He tells you what is does and it does exactly what he said it does.  Your cycles wins, he wins, everyone wins (even you do though you are dead).  

You wouldn't know that beforehand, and actually, sysnthesis seems like the only choice you can tell he agrees with.

[DocGriffin]

jojon2se wrote...

TheClonesLegacy wrote...
5401 EMS
Picked Destroy
Have EC
Didn't get it
Debunked.
So don't say I was Misinformed

I am pretty sure you can't have that much EMS without any of the extra-SP resources.
Sure you don't mean 5401 TMS?

Correct, the number he's referring to is his total military strength, not EMS, or effective military strength.

He would have to have a readiness rating of at least 58% to get 3100

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ingvarr Stormbird wrote...

SMichelle wrote...
And that would be fine - laudable even - if it was only Shepard.  But you made everyone else pay the same price.  They were depending on you to save them from the Reapers.  Instead you turned them into Reapers.

Don't you realize how silly it sounds? 
It's like telling Leonidas "You killed everyone. You should've accepted one of Xerxes terms and saved them, instead of this stupid last stand which achieved nothing, except feeding your stupid moral high grounds". You think survival comes first. I think survival is pointless if we lose something important in the process.

Bingo 

[Hadea]

SMichelle wrote...

No.  There is only one right answer - and everyone must admit that my choice was the only right one! 

(isn't that what all these threads are about anyway?)

Well, I do like your choice!  I'll give you an endorsement.  "My name is Hadea, and this is my favorite ending on the BSN!"  

[silentassassin264]

Fandango9641 wrote...

SMichelle wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

If use choose the reject ending which I am assuming you did, you might notice he turns the crucible off if you turn around and shoot him or outright reject his solutions.  He was giving you choice because he wanted to.

And as far as your crime against mankind stupidity, How the flying Harvesters is letting every advanced species die not a crime against mankind?  You have the power to save everyone and you instead walk away and let them die.  All their blood is on your hands and you carry all the guilt for their deaths because you could have saved them and you turned your back on not only humanity, but all the other advanced aliens. 

If you pick destroy, the Geth and EDI die.  Tough but if you pick reject you still are directly responsible for their deaths and the Asari, Turians, Humans, Volus, Elcor, Drell, Hanar.  Your point is moot.

If you pick Control, nobody dies.  And as far as the mass enslavement BS rant goes, the Reapers are machines given purpose and functionality by the Catalyst and vice versa.  You can't enslave the Reapers no more than you can enslave your own hands.  They are meant to serve the catalyst.  If you become the Catalyst they are your hands, existension of your will.

If you pick Synthesis, as far as the mass molestation BS goes, do you know what molestation means?  Now look at all those people spared death with the Reapers leaving.  Do they look "bothered" or "molested" to you?  Just because you headcanoned Synthesis to being some atrocity does not mean you are right as the ending proves otherwise.  Nobody (well maybe sans husks) would be complaining that they got transhumaned and upgraded to save them from certain destruction. 

Picking reject is the only war crime and you should be ashamed for even thinking it.  But instead you take pride and brutally sacrificing all of this cycle so they might dent the Reapers a little.  I hope to god you never get any high rank and have to make decisions for large amounts of people.

Insanity: to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. 

Many people who choose Reject claim their hands are clean because *they* didn't actually kill all advanced life.  You will never convice them otherwise.

I find this excuse to be rather hypocritical myself, but that's just me.  Seriously.  All ending choices are morally disgusting.  I admit it with my Destroy.  I just wish the "Rejectors" could do the same.

Reject is the only morally conscionable choice on offer for sure. That it's a choice that results in the death of everything we fought to protect across 3 games is an indication of how badly Mac and Casey wanted to give those who rejected their original 3 colour conclusion the finger, nothing more. In any case, reject is the ony choice that respects the basic, inalienable rights of all life in the galaxy.

You are indoctrinated.  I never believed in the IT myself but lo and behold, there genuine proof of its existence.  The Reapers want to keep on Reaping and you just tell them okay and let up them keep going.  

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

You are indoctrinated.  I never believed in the IT myself but lo and behold, there genuine proof of its existence.  The Reapers want to keep on Reaping and you just tell them okay and let up them keep going.  

That sentence alone ruins your whole argument, also, he's not letting them keep reapers, he continued to fight, how is that letting them keep going?

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


And how is synthesis lying to you?  He tells you what is does and it does exactly what he said it does.  Your cycles wins, he wins, everyone wins (even you do though you are dead).  

You wouldn't know that beforehand, and actually, sysnthesis seems like the only choice you can tell he agrees with.

You know that because of what I said before.  You are going in a circular thought process that is rejecting logic at every point of the circumference.  

[BigEvil]

Bill Casey wrote...

BigEvil wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
Twitter isn't canon...

Unfortunately the writers don't seem to agree with you.

It doesn't matter...

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor

The problem with death of the author is that not everyone agrees with it and never will. Also it just seems to be a way to claim anything you disagree with isn't canon which eliminates the possibility for worthwhile discussion. If everyone starts subscribing to their own head-canon there's no basis for comparison, no facts, and well, everyone would be better off just writing their own fiction entirely.

Feel free to not treat things as canon, but keep in mind that your head-canon is just that, and holds no relevance to most discussions.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


And how is synthesis lying to you?  He tells you what is does and it does exactly what he said it does.  Your cycles wins, he wins, everyone wins (even you do though you are dead).  

You wouldn't know that beforehand, and actually, sysnthesis seems like the only choice you can tell he agrees with.

You know that because of what I said before.  You are going in a circular thought process that is rejecting logic at every point of the circumference.  

I'm talking about when you meet the catalyst, you have absolutely no reason or basis to belief why he's telling the truth, if you can support me with a reason, then we can have a conversation.