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[chinadrumsticks]

LFDog wrote...

I already have the "Mac" version - it's on my Boot Camp partition. A native Mac version would be nice, but my gut instinct tells me that this will be a version that is ported and runs through an emulator of some sort.

As for the whole Mac/PC debate. It's a stupid one. Both Operating Systems work very well when you know what you are doing. I tend to spend most of my time on Apple hardware these days, but I also work extensively with Windows (although, it seems more clients are switching to OSX on the desktop and keeping Windows on the back-end).

Generally, the harder someone "defends" their choice of OS, the more I tend to think they are either insecure, uneducated, or afraid of learning that they may be wrong about their assumptions.

It's just a matter of choice. Think of the difference between a BMW and an Opel car. If there weren't different tastes you wouldn't see same diversity on the market. And I like diversity and it's always good to question monopolized products and consider the alternatives.

[JaegerBane]

So ultimately, there isn't really any reason as to a Macbook and PC owner purchasing the Mac version when they already have the windows version?

Generally I only go for Windows versions of games as historically they always seem to be the most flexible (did they ever even release the toolset for NWN2 mac version?)

[Exsilium]

Well done! Good job! 


I use a mac for pretty much for the same reasons that user “chinadrumsticks” described in the thread earlier. Similar profession with similar likes towards the unix foundation and stability the platform provides. I also like to start a game now and then when I have that time - I’m not sure if I qualify as a mac-gamer though...


I also have Boot Camp “just in case” but I don’t prefer to play my games on it - as it forces me to boot the machine just for that occasion... Therefor I borrowed a friends PC copy of DAO and tried it with Crossover Games and Wine - as previously noted, the game is graphically flawed, there are patches that you can apply to smoothen the ride - but still - far from perfect I can agree. However, I did enjoy the game even with the graphical glitches - it didn’t make me want to boot to Boot Camp.


Now that the Mac version is available (the announcement of it somehow went past me due to the holiday season) I grabbed the Deluxe edition from GameTree Online.


I like the idea of the Digital Download version. I downloaded the almost 9GB .dmg file, mounted - booted up the installer which installed a 17 GB of the main game, after which it asked if I’d like to have the additional content also installed (Warden’s Deep etc.) and the EA account information with the provided Promotional Code had to be provided right in the Installer which authenticated the packages. The extra content all was added to Documents\\Bioware directory.


A lot of criticism has fallen upon SecuROM, but to be honest, It does not bother me on this title.. Once the game got authenticated with the code, I continued my game where I had left off with the Crossover PC version of the game, because the save games are also under Documents\\Bioware.


When coming back to the Transgaming technology it seems that they have added a lot of proprietary (licensed?) code so that the quality of the game is much better you get using Crossover or Wine. Performance wise there might be a small penalty due to the wrappers being used, but in reality it is not emulation that is taking place so the penalty in performance seems to be minimal. 


In overall, I am very glad they decided to make this game available for Mac. No patches to wine or crossover - frame buffer effects work nicely and in overall the game looks much better than before.


The only bad thing I might note is that there is not much information available specific to the Mac version - what DLCs will be available in the future? How about patches to the main game? But so far so good...


Good purchase I’d say and I hope they keep such good titles coming to the Mac platform also in the future.


Macbook pro 17“ unibody, Nvidia 9600M, native 1920x1200 is getting a bit slow - running it nicely with 1600x1000 resolution.

[daem3an]

Exsilium wrote...
I also have Boot Camp “just in case” but I don’t prefer to play my games on it - as it forces me to boot the machine just for that occasion... Therefor I borrowed a friends PC copy of DAO and tried it with Crossover Games and Wine - as previously noted, the game is graphically flawed, there are patches that you can apply to smoothen the ride - but still - far from perfect I can agree. However, I did enjoy the game even with the graphical glitches - it didn’t make me want to boot to Boot Camp.

Seems like people are mostly pretty happy with the Mac version, that's good to hear. It's too bad about the glitches you experienced with Crossover, but I've been using the pc version through bootcamp since launch, on max settings with no issues whatsoever so I wouldn't say the game itself is 'graphically flawed'.

[Exsilium]

daem3an wrote...

I wouldn't say the game itself is 'graphically flawed'.

I wouldn't either, I was simply referring to the exerience of the game via Crossover and Wine - playing the game in a way, it was not meant to from the start. In a way I meant that Crossover and Wine are both flawed None of those glitches are there with the official Mac release, so it seems that Transgaming has ironed everything out for that game.

[Marvin_Arnold]

That's really good to know - I was afraid it would be kind of an improved Wine/Crossover version, with flaws carried over. I'm glad to hear the Mac version works so well, as I don't have the intention to sacrifice disk space for a Windows partition/installation I would only use for this game so far... A Mac demo version would have been nice, though, so you could test if your hardware works with it or not...



As for further DLC, shouldn't it be possible to buy them online and then install them manually into the appropriate folders? (Even if you have to use an .EXE installer, Windows installers themselves usually work quite well with Wine)

[WelshDragon69]

I initially played DAO on my PS3, and loved it. I downloaded the Mac version a couple of days ago and it's running ok on my MacBook Pro, not as fast or smooth as the PS3 obviously, but it's good. I'm very glad they ported it over so quickly, I used to play games through Bootcamp, but that eats up so much disk space, not to mention I didn't want any MS product on my Mac

[WelshDragon69]

BTW, does anyone know if the patch is available for MAC? Thx!

[Javanaut]

I don't even bother looking for Mac games anymore since Apple refuses to give 1,1 mac pro owners a firmware update that will allow us to use 64 bit.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Here's what direct2drive says about patches and toolset for the Mac version:

www.direct2drive.co.uk/8819/product/Buy-Dragon-Age:-Origins-UK-%28Mac%29-Download


Dragon Age: Origins UK (Mac) download
This version of Dragon Age: Origins is compatible with universal patches and the mod toolset from BioWare.


Is that true??

[Hertweck10]

Hi, I just downloaded the deluxe mac version. The game is running fine, but I can´t activate my online account because I can´t type the "@" of my mail adress - it simple refuses to accept the alt+l combination - anybody got an idea how to fix this?

[AdamnessX]

I may not understand the topic because people seem to be angry. However if I'm not mistaken, I'm glad all computer users can play the game.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Hertweck, there is a post somewhere with a solution. IIRC, it involves changing your keyboard layout to american (if it isn't already), then starting the game, then logging in using the Windows/US key combination for the @ sign (SHIFT-2 I think), then exiting, changing the keyboard layout back to normal (if necessary). The account details are saved, so you need to do this only once.



I'm quoting from memory, so if this doesn't work, you'll have to google around a bit...

[Marvin_Arnold]

Adamness, I think people are pissed because the Mac version was announced AFTER many had already bought the Windows version, and maybe even installed Bootcamp just for that purpose. AFAIAC, the more systems a program is available for, the better... diversity is beautiful...

[Hertweck10]

Thanks Marvin_Arnold, it worked

[AdamnessX]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Adamness, I think people are pissed because the Mac version was announced AFTER many had already bought the Windows version, and maybe even installed Bootcamp just for that purpose. AFAIAC, the more systems a program is available for, the better... diversity is beautiful...

Oh I see. I have no idea about the PC version. I assumed it worked like `gw or WoW where you can access your account through a downloadable client.

Thanks for your help. Although I must ask; what is bootcamp?

[Marvin_Arnold]

Bootcamp is a part of MacOSX. It means you install Windows on a separate partition of your HD and your (Intel) Mac lets you choose whether you boot as MacOSX or as Windows. So you basically get a Mac and a Windows PC inside the same machine. Which uses several GB of disk space, of course. Many use this strategy to play Windows games that aren't available on Mac.

Wine is a free open source wrapper program, which means it runs a Windows program in MacOSX by making it believe it is actually running in Windows, but you don't need Windows. Which works with many programs (see appdb.winehq.org for a list of programs).

Crossover(-Games) is a proprietary software based on Wine, but is tailored to running Windows games, (and other applications) which means some programs than don't run on Wine, run on Crossover.

Cider is a technology for porting Windows programs to the Mac, which is what happened with the "official" Mac DA:O version.

So, for my initial point, DA:O came out for Windows, Mac owners bought it, partitioned their HDs, "defiled" their Macs with Bootcamp and Windows, installed DA:O, and THEN, a month later, Bioware announced their Mac port.

I'm glad they ported it, and so fast compared to games that get ported after 3-5 years, and then cost the original price while the Windows version already resides in the €5 bin... but they could have mentioned this before, as other companies do.

[WelshDragon69]

Marvin_Arnold wrote...

Bootcamp is a part of MacOSX. It means you install Windows on a separate partition of your HD and your (Intel) Mac lets you choose whether you boot as MacOSX or as Windows. So you basically get a Mac and a Windows PC inside the same machine. Which uses several GB of disk space, of course. Many use this strategy to play Windows games that aren't available on Mac.
Wine is a free open source wrapper program, which means it runs a Windows program in MacOSX by making it believe it is actually running in Windows, but you don't need Windows. Which works with many programs (see appdb.winehq.org for a list of programs).
Crossover(-Games) is a proprietary software based on Wine, but is tailored to running Windows games, (and other applications) which means some programs than don't run on Wine, run on Crossover.
Cider is a technology for porting Windows programs to the Mac, which is what happened with the "official" Mac DA:O version.
So, for my initial point, DA:O came out for Windows, Mac owners bought it, partitioned their HDs, "defiled" their Macs with Bootcamp and Windows, installed DA:O, and THEN, a month later, Bioware announced their Mac port.
I'm glad they ported it, and so fast compared to games that get ported after 3-5 years, and then cost the original price while the Windows version already resides in the €5 bin... but they could have mentioned this before, as other companies do.

Very true... but I also wish they would tell us whether all of the DLC will be ported over to MAC also, or whether this was just the game with no follow-on joy.   

[AtreiyaN7]

I'm glad for my friend who happens to be a diehard Mac fanatic - he just utterly refuses to touch a PC (or at least anything with Microsoft or Windows programs on it - lol). Maybe he'll get around to playing it now!

[Exsilium]

Concerning the future DLC fears - I think it is very assuring to see that the Awakening page of Dragon Age lists the Apple logo on the bottom of the page: http://dragonage.bioware.com/awakening

[gamefemme]

igniteip wrote...

Mac owners are typically wealthier than PC owners.

How do you figure?

Modifié par gamefemme, 07 janvier 2010 - 06:12 .

[rikkles]

Same with many others, I've been playing DA:O on BootCamp. No point in buying it for the Mac again. BioWare really should have announced the Mac version was coming within a couple of months of the PC release.

[Marvin_Arnold]

Mac owners are typically wealthier than PC owners.

Wish I was.

Anyway, DA:O runs beautifully on this MBP 5,1 (Late 2008, Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz, NVidia 9600M GT) at 1440x900. With textures at max, graphic quality at medium, no antialiasing, and framebuffers turned on, the only framerate drop happens in the first minute of playing and when running through vast areas like Denerim market. (down to 2 fps, actually). Resolution doesn't actually seem to matter, but quality settings do, but I traded framerate for eye candy. (No blood spatters in "Low" mode...)

Also tested with Apple Cinema Display connected, at 1920x1080, which, strange enough, ran smoother than with the MBP's builtin monitor. Weird.

Very rare program hangups, namely when you fool around too much with Windowed/Fullscreen mode or resolutions.

Very pleased, overall.

Modifié par Marvin_Arnold, 08 janvier 2010 - 06:39 .

[Yubido]

Is there any news or rumours out there if DA:O on steam will be ported to Mac as well? I bought it through there and I don't know if I will be able to get rid of bootcamp yet as I don't have enough space on my partition for it.





Is it also possible to enter my CD key for the version on Cider and be able to play it?

[Hell Mutant]

Lots of ignorant comments about Macs & Mac users on here. Pretty funny. A Mac is a freaking computer, just like any PC. It does the same thing, it is just designed/built differently. Identifiying your life with what kind of computer you use is idiotic. Grow up.



There's really no point for me to buy the Mac version if they aren't going to make all the DLCs and expansions for it.