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[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Nah. As always, they'll canonize the bare-minimum requirement to finish the last game.


So, Destroy it is.

[clennon8]

@OP: I sure hope not. I can't deny that the same cynical thought has occurred to me, though.

[Ravenmyste]

xsdob wrote...

Do you have proof?

you know he just talking out his pie hole with out thinking about what he actually saying

[Vox Draco]

If that is true Ieldra2 might build a Bioware-shrine somewhere I guess...but for me, Mass Effect would then be even more dead than it is already...and what's the word for molesting a corpse?

Ah...I'll look it up...uh...disgusting...

[garrusfan1]

OP what

[DistantUtopia]

Random Jerkface wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Why not?

No amount of time passage is going to justify a scenario in which every one has NiteGlo skin, LED eyeballs, robots have DNA, and there are reapers prancing through London.

I'm pretty sure Anderson would disapprove of the reapers dancing in London.

Did you know Anderson was born there?

[Nefla]

What future DLCs for ME3 decide to make cannon or whatever, I don't care. It's not like I'm going to buy them.

[lillitheris]

comrade gando wrote...

D24O wrote...

Hopefully not, I'm more afraid that they'll try to make me pay to get retcons that legitimize the Catalyst and the shift in central conflict, not so much synthesis. But that's why we have reviews.

and that's what scares me. it's probably gonna be like they retcon a crap ton of stuff to make that retarded catalyst more and more plausible when the basic premise of a ghost kid god ai is just stupid to begin with. which is why if that is what they're going to do then I wish them luck because they're going to get 10 less dollars in sales at leats with this person.

Catalyst legitimization is a given, but I think they’re going to go further and really drive home how Spacemagicthesis is the solution to everything.

[2Shepards]

I have had the feeling since first getting to the Catalyst scene that Synthesis will be the canon ending for Bioware. Can;t fully explain why I have that thought, but good God I hope its wrong.

[Vortex13]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Or set anything in the future so far ahead that it doesn't matter which ending you picked.

That's not really possible with synthesis.

Why not?

Apart from what others have said, people living in Synthesis are immortal (said by EDI) so no matter how far in the future you set a DLC expansion or sequel you ar still going to have people around from ME 3's ending.

Modifié par Vortex13, 09 juillet 2012 - 09:37 .

[zigamortis]

Total Biscuit wrote...

This has actually already happened, but with the 'synthetics and organics cannot coexist!' claptrap.

The first and only pre EC playthrough I did, I didn't have From Ashes downloaded. Playing through now, with an ending that, while still total bollocks, I can at least live with, I decided Javik was worth it for the extra squadmate, dialogue, and added comedy.

I learnt two things about Javik through this new playthrough:

Firstly, he's such a massive toss pot that he's actually endearing.

And secondly, that he will not shut up about how evil synthetics are.

Without From Ashes, the entirety of ME3 goes out of its way to show you that man and machine can live together in peace, and that we are more alike than different.

Javik however gives nothing but absolutes on the subject, synthetics are fundamentally different, wrong and dangerous. And what's worse, there is no dialogue to disagree with him about it. At best you can give some half hearted, naive sounding optimism that he's wrong, but you never get to point out to him that they're riding around in living proof that it's total claptrap. Never mind the fact that he claims that all organics are more similar to one another than any synthetic, despite every interaction with EDI or the Geth saying the opposite, and Javik himself being pleased that no one in this cycle understands him.

Similarly, you can't properly defend legion against him, no matter how friendly Shepard is with Legion or EDI, Javiks total contempt and threats of murdering them go completely unchallenged no matter what you do. In an argument between Javik and EDI, siding with EDI doesn't actually defend her or support her point of view, it merely tells them both to stop fighting.

From Ashes really rams the anti synthetic agenda down our throats frankly, without ever baking it up with any proof, and deliberately avoiding or ignoring everything that disproves or even challenges that idea.

I do however find it ironic that Javik, the only character other than Space Hitler to even raise the idea of coexistence being impossible without Synthesis, is the one character that would 100% pick Destroy every single time.

To behonest shepard does not seem himself throughout the entire game.

[krukow]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Or set anything in the future so far ahead that it doesn't matter which ending you picked.

That's not really possible with synthesis.

Why not?

Because everyone still has the green eyes. 

[Ghurshog]

lillitheris wrote...

So, yeah, that. Sudden realization etc.

No it won't because I am willing to bet that Destroy is their cannon ending. And because of this anything that happens 'afterwards' is just the simple ol galaxy trying to fix its woes. No crazy squids flying around or quasi organic/synthetic hybrids to explain away. 

If for no other reason Destroy will be the cannon ending.... unless IT is true (which I doubt) then all bets are off.

[Aloren]

All future dlc will be reason for a few people to complain about just about anything...

I doubt DLCs will have anything to do with synthesis tbh , since DLCs can only happen before the ending (since after you finish the game, you go back before cerberus base anyway).
I'm also tempted to agree : destroy will be the canon ending. If anything happens after ME3 (whether in an expansion or a new game), I bet it will start from the destroy ending.

[lillitheris]

Nah, post-ending DLC meh.

Pre-ending, starting with the Leviathan…all’s going to be futile justification.

[Taboo]

If Bioware thinks that half assed propaganda is going to make me change my mind, they're VERY wrong.

Rannoch was incredibly biased already, and I still pick Destroy.

[darknessmyown]

Destroy is the only ending that can be canon, but that they may try to whip up crappy DLC to try validating their space magicisms is a thought that also occurred to me as well and it does darken teh horizon more then a little.

If that does happen though, Febreeze. Febreeze fixes everything.

[lillitheris]

Taboo-XX wrote...

If Bioware thinks that half assed propaganda is going to make me change my mind, they're VERY wrong.

Rannoch was incredibly biased already, and I still pick Destroy.

You’re assuming any thinking is involved.

[Taboo]

Nothing they say or do will make me choose Synthesis.

Here's the rub. The Destruction of the Reapers is unethical. So is Synthesis.

To quote Mordin regarding Destroy

"Best. Option." "Galaxy demands diversity."

I scoff at their nonsense.

[WarGriffin]

So your worried that future DLC will just be BW trying to shoe horn in more Synth and Organics can't get along thus in an attempt to justify the rather shoe horned in Reasoning for the Reapers.

-cause even in Game the Writers shot the Synthetics will inhertly rebel... infact they seem to imply to the opposite, That Organics will create Syths and then try to kill them-

[Ziegrif]

I'd rather like a save Garrus's sister DLC than anything that would prop the endings (maybe more war assets though?).
The endings are what they are.
They all have good points and bad points.
I myself picked synthesis to drive a huge frigging hammer and spike into galactic evolution. Why? Because I could.
Also peace can be made between quarians and the geth but peace never lasts either the galaxy will never be united even by synthesis. Someone somewhere will still be a giant dick and want to blow something up race/ gender/ ethics/ past choices be damned.

I myself think that Destroy will probably be the canon ending if Bioware will make a sequel. Would set up a good revenge story for a small Geth platform that due to being too far from other consensees (consensuses?) could not get the reaper upgrades and through magical power of plot holes and space magic survived the galaxy wide red ring of death and now tries to survive as a small time black market smuggler while doing guerilla warfare against all other species due to them betraying them at the crucible.

[Dusen]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't get why some people are so steadfast in their belief that ME3 is the last in the ME chronology, I haven't seen a single person backup that claim with a quote. Yeah I've heard that its the end of Shepard story but that doesn't stop the universe continuing, in fact I thought that one of the genius things the original endings did was put the universe in a pretty consistent state regardly of what options you picked eg.
-relays destroyed
-reapers stopped
EC has made it abit more complicated but I can see the next saga taking place in part of the galaxy cut off from the rest because of the relay damage

The problem is that the very nature of the three endings removes the possibility of a canon ending if there is to be any post-ME3 DLC. Without a true canon ending theres just no way Bioware could feasibly create what would in essence be three completely different games, depending on whether everyone glows green, shepard is a tyrant space-overlord, or Shepard is slowly dying under a pile of rubble.

[WarGriffin]

zigamortis wrote...

Total Biscuit wrote...

This has actually already happened, but with the 'synthetics and organics cannot coexist!' claptrap.

The first and only pre EC playthrough I did, I didn't have From Ashes downloaded. Playing through now, with an ending that, while still total bollocks, I can at least live with, I decided Javik was worth it for the extra squadmate, dialogue, and added comedy.

I learnt two things about Javik through this new playthrough:

Firstly, he's such a massive toss pot that he's actually endearing.

And secondly, that he will not shut up about how evil synthetics are.

Without From Ashes, the entirety of ME3 goes out of its way to show you that man and machine can live together in peace, and that we are more alike than different.

Javik however gives nothing but absolutes on the subject, synthetics are fundamentally different, wrong and dangerous. And what's worse, there is no dialogue to disagree with him about it. At best you can give some half hearted, naive sounding optimism that he's wrong, but you never get to point out to him that they're riding around in living proof that it's total claptrap. Never mind the fact that he claims that all organics are more similar to one another than any synthetic, despite every interaction with EDI or the Geth saying the opposite, and Javik himself being pleased that no one in this cycle understands him.

Similarly, you can't properly defend legion against him, no matter how friendly Shepard is with Legion or EDI, Javiks total contempt and threats of murdering them go completely unchallenged no matter what you do. In an argument between Javik and EDI, siding with EDI doesn't actually defend her or support her point of view, it merely tells them both to stop fighting.

From Ashes really rams the anti synthetic agenda down our throats frankly, without ever baking it up with any proof, and deliberately avoiding or ignoring everything that disproves or even challenges that idea.

I do however find it ironic that Javik, the only character other than Space Hitler to even raise the idea of coexistence being impossible without Synthesis, is the one character that would 100% pick Destroy every single time.

To behonest shepard does not seem himself throughout the entire game.

Cause it's Mac's Shepard not yours

and that's pretty much ME3's problem, It introduces a conflict that only exists... caus the Starkid says so. Yet it's the Biosynthetics that cause all the problems.

Think about it... Sovereign uses the Geth's religon against them -as he makes it clear his just gonna wipe them out for thier loyalty-

Saren thinks merging is the only option.

Harbinger and his Collectors are BioSynthetics


If anything... ME supports the idea that Bio synths are a butch of jackasses

[tomcplotts]

I'm dreading the Kai Leng DLC where they try to attempt to make him an actual character with some fleeting relevance to anything.

[Siansonea]

I don't care how much they try to rationalize Synthesis, I'm still going to kill the goddamn Reapers. I didn't play through three games just to become the person responsible for the extinction of all life in the galaxy via transformation into Reaper thralls.