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[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...
Actually, when the Quarian male was introduced into multiplayer, there was a Bioware post on the multiplayer section saying how some Quarians on pilgrimage refused the call back and later helped train the Vorcha.

Don't know if this is canon however...

Sounds legit. People avoid drafts all the time. Some Quarians might've preferred life outside the fleet, others might just went "lulz no." to going back to fight a war.

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they weren't trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Modifié par silentassassin264, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:39 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they were trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Not really because Legion dissapeared.

[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...

Sorry, but pretty sure it's one of those.

I F****** KNEW IT!

*rages*

*cries*

WHY?!?

[KiwiQuiche]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

So you would do treason in a time of war, and expect people to join you, great! unlogical and unintellegent.

So you expect insurbordination because some civilians don't agree with the admirals, what are you crazy? 

I'm not unreasonable, but you believe that even if the Geth were beign attack, it justifies them working with the Reapers, wow.

Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they were trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Not really because Legion dissapeared.

He didn't disappear immediately.  He disappeared while Tali couldn't assure him of anything because the Admirals were indeed planning war.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

So you would do treason in a time of war, and expect people to join you, great! unlogical and unintellegent.

So you expect insurbordination because some civilians don't agree with the admirals, what are you crazy? 

I'm not unreasonable, but you believe that even if the Geth were beign attack, it justifies them working with the Reapers, wow.

Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

[KiwiQuiche]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
Actually, when the Quarian male was introduced into multiplayer, there was a Bioware post on the multiplayer section saying how some Quarians on pilgrimage refused the call back and later helped train the Vorcha.

Don't know if this is canon however...

Sounds legit. People avoid drafts all the time. Some Quarians might've preferred life outside the fleet, others might just went "lulz no." to going back to fight a war.

Tali does mention some quarians never return from their pilgrimage and not because they may have died.

Can't really blame them for not wanting to go back to the clustercuss that was happening.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they were trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Not really because Legion dissapeared.

He didn't disappear immediately.  He disappeared while Tali couldn't assure him of anything because the Admirals were indeed planning war.

And that means he has to leave? that's the problem with the Geth, they completely seperated themselves and make no contact with anybody, and then join the Reapers.

[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...
And depending on the role the Quarian husks could play would influence whether you see them.

Ardat-Yakshi make great assault units and are a good investment.  If Quarians could only be made into common husks, I doubt the reapers would invest in them when they have plentiful humans and batarians.

Back up tech support with annoying turrets following Shep around? Sure. They send boring human husks at Shepard. Why would the hesistate to throw Quarians? Remember all the fleets and like are there. They want to use their nightmare fuel material on all the races.

Banshees. Those things aren't AYs anymore. And Quarians wouldn't be the same as HH. Nothing else is. The Reapers would tweak them to be useful.

[Ryzaki]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
Actually, when the Quarian male was introduced into multiplayer, there was a Bioware post on the multiplayer section saying how some Quarians on pilgrimage refused the call back and later helped train the Vorcha.

Don't know if this is canon however...

Sounds legit. People avoid drafts all the time. Some Quarians might've preferred life outside the fleet, others might just went "lulz no." to going back to fight a war.

Tali does mention some quarians never return from their pilgrimage and not because they may have died.

Can't really blame them for not wanting to go back to the clustercuss that was happening.

Yeah makes sense. You move and...you like it there.

Me neither. I sure in hell wouldn't have gone back.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

1. Geth have a larger fleet.

No they don't. I've seen people say this time and time again, but it's not true. Maximum quarian War Assets are higher than maximum geth War Assets.

Unless anyone with more than 825 geth War Assets would like to prove me otherwise?

I hope you realize that War Assets don't mean anything. I hope you also realize that War Assets aren't a direct indicator of military might. The Geth have almost as many Dreadnoughts as the Turians. How many Dreadnoughts do the Quarians have? From what we know, none. The only way the Quarians were able to successfully defeat the geth is if they were disabled, otherwise, the Quarian fleet was obliterated.

On a side note, the Rachni once threatened the entire galaxy, and they're only worth what, 100 War Assets? Also, I'm pretty sure my total for the Quarian fleet was only somewhere around 500.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
And depending on the role the Quarian husks could play would influence whether you see them.

Ardat-Yakshi make great assault units and are a good investment.  If Quarians could only be made into common husks, I doubt the reapers would invest in them when they have plentiful humans and batarians.

Back up tech support with annoying turrets following Shep around? Sure. They send boring human husks at Shepard. Why would the hesistate to throw Quarians? Remember all the fleets and like are there. They want to use their nightmare fuel material on all the races.

Banshees. Those things aren't AYs anymore. And Quarians wouldn't be the same as HH. Nothing else is. The Reapers would tweak them to be useful.

You know, our friendly part-reaper AI thinks that Quarians would make for excellent reaper soldiers.

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they were trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Not really because Legion dissapeared.

He didn't disappear immediately.  He disappeared while Tali couldn't assure him of anything because the Admirals were indeed planning war.

And that means he has to leave? that's the problem with the Geth, they completely seperated themselves and make no contact with anybody, and then join the Reapers.

Or you know he felt the need to go back to his people?  It is quite clear that the Geth did not call out to the Reapers until they were attacked so I am going to have to disagree on that one.

[justafan]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
And depending on the role the Quarian husks could play would influence whether you see them.

Ardat-Yakshi make great assault units and are a good investment.  If Quarians could only be made into common husks, I doubt the reapers would invest in them when they have plentiful humans and batarians.

Back up tech support with annoying turrets following Shep around? Sure. They send boring human husks at Shepard. Why would the hesistate to throw Quarians? Remember all the fleets and like are there. They want to use their nightmare fuel material on all the races.

Banshees. Those things aren't AYs anymore. And Quarians wouldn't be the same as HH. Nothing else is. The Reapers would tweak them to be useful.

True, but I was simply saying that 17 million is the absolute maximum they could get on short notice, and they may or may not be able to transform them into something a more numerous species could be turned into, like how Turians are multipurposed into Marauders and Brutes for command/tank roles, and how humans can be husks and cannibal cannons.  They would throw the Quarian husks at Shep, but there just are so few out there the odds of Shepard finding them are slim.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:51 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

Yes you do, but none of that would have happened if the quarians didn't start their stupid war to begin with.
Um, wut? Yes, it's their fault. They should have left, protested, or done something rather than go to war while a galatic harvest was going on.

Yes, they turned to the Reapers for aid to defend themselves, but the Reaper then enslaved them, using Legion as a signal booster. They didn't want to die, and in turn all they really did was kill the quarians trying to kill them until you destroy the Reaper. They then pretty much sit like ducks once you free them, no threat. But still the quarians try to kill them all after they are free.

I pick the geth over quarians. That's it. At least the geth don't try to hide their mistakes and failures, unlike the quarians. Also, I think they are better War Assets and agree with the geth side more.

I am not saying either side is without fault or favour, in the end I simply favour the geth more.

[commanderkai]

I always figured that the Second Quarian-Geth War was a result of Shepard's warning over anything else. The Quarians are stuck on a flotilla of ships, due to their unique, and weak immune system, with only 17 million of their people still living in existence. We're talking about a species literally on the edge of extinction, especially as they're on ships that have been in service for over 300 years.

If you were given ample warning that you, and everything you love and care about might be destroyed in a short amount of time, you'd probably want to go home and see your family. The Quarians already are with their families, but their home was Rannoch. They've been refugees for 300 years, and sadly, the Council's douchebaggery over not giving them an empty, M-class world that would fit their living conditions was even sadder. We've human societies who have done similar, desperate actions to retake a lost homeland, and I can't blame the Quarians for theirs too harshly.

I also struggle with the Geth themselves. Not if they're alive or not, but rather, if they were truly sincere about being wholly indifferent to organics. Why didn't the Geth move away from Rannoch? Why didn't they warn organic civilization that only a relatively small number of their forces was hostile to organics? Legion provided interesting insight on the Geth, but it was biased all the same.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


Ding ding ding.  If the Reapers beat the allies they are dead whether they have a homeworld or not.  That really doesn't matter.  They at least have the abililty to play one heck of a game of hide and seek before they die.

You know what's funny, their attack on Rannoch is the only reason that peace between the Geth and Quarians happens (if you achieve it of course)

And if they were trying to kill them in the first place, Admiral Tali and Legion could have worked out peace before the events of ME3.  

Not really because Legion dissapeared.

He didn't disappear immediately.  He disappeared while Tali couldn't assure him of anything because the Admirals were indeed planning war.

And that means he has to leave? that's the problem with the Geth, they completely seperated themselves and make no contact with anybody, and then join the Reapers.

Or you know he felt the need to go back to his people?  It is quite clear that the Geth did not call out to the Reapers until they were attacked so I am going to have to disagree on that one.

I know they didn't, but they shouldn't have either way.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

Yes you do, but none of that would have happened if the quarians didn't start their stupid war to begin with.
Um, wut? Yes, it's their fault. They should have left, protested, or done something rather than go to war while a galatic harvest was going on.

Yes, they turned to the Reapers for aid to defend themselves, but the Reaper then enslaved them, using Legion as a signal booster. They didn't want to die, and in turn all they really did was kill the quarians trying to kill them until you destroy the Reaper. They then pretty much sit like ducks once you free them, no threat. But still the quarians try to kill them all after they are free.

I pick the geth over quarians. That's it. At least the geth don't try to hide their mistakes and failures, unlike the quarians. Also, I think they are better War Assets and agree with the geth side more.

I am not saying either side is without fault or favour, in the end I simply favour the geth more.

You can favour whatever you want, but stop saying non-sense such as a whole species should be killed because of two leaders. And nothing justifies working for the Reapers, nothing.

I favour the Quarians more.

[Auckmid]

The Geth cause is much easier to sympathise with. They didn't even want to fight the Quarians, and the only reason they joined the Reapers was to save themselves. However, Tali suiciding if you pick the Geth while Legion dies either way combined with Destroy, the most popular ending, killing all the Geth anyway caused the majority to pick Quarian.

[Malanek]

Save the Quarians. They are living creatures who have suffered for far too long for the mistakes of their ancestors. Geth have also been dishonest and aggressive.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

Yes you do, but none of that would have happened if the quarians didn't start their stupid war to begin with.
Um, wut? Yes, it's their fault. They should have left, protested, or done something rather than go to war while a galatic harvest was going on.

Yes, they turned to the Reapers for aid to defend themselves, but the Reaper then enslaved them, using Legion as a signal booster. They didn't want to die, and in turn all they really did was kill the quarians trying to kill them until you destroy the Reaper. They then pretty much sit like ducks once you free them, no threat. But still the quarians try to kill them all after they are free.

I pick the geth over quarians. That's it. At least the geth don't try to hide their mistakes and failures, unlike the quarians. Also, I think they are better War Assets and agree with the geth side more.

I am not saying either side is without fault or favour, in the end I simply favour the geth more.

1.  They went to war before the reapers arrived.

2.  They do not sit like ducks, they are normal Geth again and the countermeasure work.  They are still trying to fight back, just failing miserably.

3.  Tali admits the morning war was wrong.  The Quarians also admit they made many other mistakes.  And I don't recall the Geth apologizing for stuff.

[KiwiQuiche]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

Yes you do, but none of that would have happened if the quarians didn't start their stupid war to begin with.
Um, wut? Yes, it's their fault. They should have left, protested, or done something rather than go to war while a galatic harvest was going on.

Yes, they turned to the Reapers for aid to defend themselves, but the Reaper then enslaved them, using Legion as a signal booster. They didn't want to die, and in turn all they really did was kill the quarians trying to kill them until you destroy the Reaper. They then pretty much sit like ducks once you free them, no threat. But still the quarians try to kill them all after they are free.

I pick the geth over quarians. That's it. At least the geth don't try to hide their mistakes and failures, unlike the quarians. Also, I think they are better War Assets and agree with the geth side more.

I am not saying either side is without fault or favour, in the end I simply favour the geth more.

You can favour whatever you want, but stop saying non-sense such as a whole species should be killed because of two leaders. And nothing justifies working for the Reapers, nothing.

I favour the Quarians more.

Well alright then. Let's just stop this since neither of us are going to change our opinions anytime soon.

[Ryzaki]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...
You know, our friendly part-reaper AI thinks that Quarians would make for excellent reaper soldiers.

Yikes. But I agree with EDI. They just don't have enough of them available.

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I know they didn't, but they shouldn't have either way.

And what would you have done in their position?  Sit back in die?  They have life preservation protocols and used them.  I can't blame them for going to the Reapers for help when the other option is extinction.  They were dealt a bad hand and played it the best they could. 

Modifié par silentassassin264, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:01 .