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[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...
True, but I was simply saying that 17 million is the absolute maximum they could get on short notice, and they may or may not be able to transform them into something a more numerous species could be turned into, like how Turians are multipurposed into Marauders and Brutes for command/tank roles, and how humans can be husks and cannibal cannons.  They would throw the Quarian husks at Shep, but there just are so few out there the odds of Shepard finding them are slim.

Shep finds rare crap attacking him all the time. *looks at Rachni*

So yeah they odds don't tend to be in poor Shep's favor for not encountering something.

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


Yes, because this war doesn't just involve the quarians wanting their homeworld, it involves every galactic speicies and to do such a stupid course of action is just ridiculous and they can deal with the consequences of it.

Yes. They didn't do anything to stop it; they are just as at fault as the Admirals.

They aren't working for the Reapers; they were defending themselves and then became enslaved. After you fee Legion, they are free to do as they wish. And when Legion dies for them, they become even more intelligent and strong.

I will choose the geth. The quarians are just too stupid and self-absorbed for me to choose them.

Actually, you need to go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal anyway.

You have a close-minded brain, just because a group of people didn't rebel their at fault, that's absurd.

What you just wrote completely shows you the lack of attention you gave the game. No, They are working with the Reapers, they allied themselves with the Reapers because the Quarians attacked, that's why you go to Rannoch and destroy the Reaper signal, until you do that, their under Reaper control. I'm not arguing this any longer because it's common knowledge that anyone will tell you.

Ball is on your yard.

Yes you do, but none of that would have happened if the quarians didn't start their stupid war to begin with.
Um, wut? Yes, it's their fault. They should have left, protested, or done something rather than go to war while a galatic harvest was going on.

Yes, they turned to the Reapers for aid to defend themselves, but the Reaper then enslaved them, using Legion as a signal booster. They didn't want to die, and in turn all they really did was kill the quarians trying to kill them until you destroy the Reaper. They then pretty much sit like ducks once you free them, no threat. But still the quarians try to kill them all after they are free.

I pick the geth over quarians. That's it. At least the geth don't try to hide their mistakes and failures, unlike the quarians. Also, I think they are better War Assets and agree with the geth side more.

I am not saying either side is without fault or favour, in the end I simply favour the geth more.

1.  They went to war before the reapers arrived.

2.  They do not sit like ducks, they are normal Geth again and the countermeasure work.  They are still trying to fight back, just failing miserably.

3.  Tali admits the morning war was wrong.  The Quarians also admit they made many other mistakes.  And I don't recall the Geth apologizing for stuff.

1. Source. The quarians were kicking up dirt well after Palaven, Tuchunka and Earth were being eaten.

2. Because the geth can't give the quarians a good kicking like last time?

3. She still admits she would have killed all the geth after you talk to her making peace. The geth don't have to apologize, as they don't hide what they have done, unlike the quarians.

[Galbrant]

What kind of question is that, OP? I will always broker peace between the Geth and Quarians... Because the Shepard wills it. Even if it takes a few Admirals getting thrown out of the airlock for questioning my authority.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I know they didn't, but they shouldn't have either way.

And what would you have done in their position?  Sit back in die?  They have life preservation protocols and used them.  I can't blame them for going to the Reapers for help when the other option is extinction.  They were dealt a bad hand and played it the best they could. 

Continue to fight instead of becoming a slave and making a mistake they already made last time?

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:10 .

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  They went to war before the reapers arrived.

2.  They do not sit like ducks, they are normal Geth again and the countermeasure work.  They are still trying to fight back, just failing miserably.

3.  Tali admits the morning war was wrong.  The Quarians also admit they made many other mistakes.  And I don't recall the Geth apologizing for stuff.

1. Source. The quarians were kicking up dirt well after Palaven, Tuchunka and Earth were being eaten.

2. Because the geth can't give the quarians a good kicking like last time?

3. She still admits she would have killed all the geth after you talk to her making peace. The geth don't have to apologize, as they don't hide what they have done, unlike the quarians.

1.  The Alliance News Network posts proves the Quarians had armed for war well before the reapers arrived.  The Spectre Terminal post accessed upon first visit indicates the Quarians have been gone for some time after being last seen refueling at Illium.  this is accessed right after Earth, indicating they went to war before the reapers came.

2.  The Geth are not sitting like ducks, they are innefectual but still hostile.

3.  I do not recall that conversation at all.  The Geth have a lot to apologize for, like joining the reapers, letting the heretics loose, driving the Quarians to near extinction and desperation in what is arguably genocide.  The Tali I talked to after peace was happy the geth were around to help them rebuild.

[justafan]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
True, but I was simply saying that 17 million is the absolute maximum they could get on short notice, and they may or may not be able to transform them into something a more numerous species could be turned into, like how Turians are multipurposed into Marauders and Brutes for command/tank roles, and how humans can be husks and cannibal cannons.  They would throw the Quarian husks at Shep, but there just are so few out there the odds of Shepard finding them are slim.

Shep finds rare crap attacking him all the time. *looks at Rachni*

So yeah they odds don't tend to be in poor Shep's favor for not encountering something.

Haha, ya, I'm surprised he hasn't run into other extinct species attcking him like Protheans or something 

[Meltemph]

Quarians on a moral level, Geth on a more practical one. While I liked the geth in concept, they were barely more then VI's. Sure they expressed sentients, but, imo, they had little to nothing in terms of culture, they were math, given form and not much else. That isnt to say I disliked Legion, on the contrary and liked the geth as they were, almsot like naive, yet incredibly intelligent children.

However, without the Reaper tech they are still not what I would call a fair trade in terms of "humanity". Without the reaper tech, I dont see any reason to fear them, outside of some psychological trauma I could apply to them, that from a humans perspective. However, they are no longer "slaves" free from domination and free to make their own choices. I would assume, that geth involved with the rest of the galaxy would have more potential to increase the level of technology of the rest of the galaxy then the Quarians, but that is just guessing... which is why I would choce Quarians just about everytime.

I just think there is an "cliche" perpetuated by writers, because it is easy to write, that the robots will turn on their creators.

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  They went to war before the reapers arrived.

2.  They do not sit like ducks, they are normal Geth again and the countermeasure work.  They are still trying to fight back, just failing miserably.

3.  Tali admits the morning war was wrong.  The Quarians also admit they made many other mistakes.  And I don't recall the Geth apologizing for stuff.

1. Source. The quarians were kicking up dirt well after Palaven, Tuchunka and Earth were being eaten.

2. Because the geth can't give the quarians a good kicking like last time?

3. She still admits she would have killed all the geth after you talk to her making peace. The geth don't have to apologize, as they don't hide what they have done, unlike the quarians.

1.  The Alliance News Network posts proves the Quarians had armed for war well before the reapers arrived.  The Spectre Terminal post accessed upon first visit indicates the Quarians have been gone for some time after being last seen refueling at Illium.  this is accessed right after Earth, indicating they went to war before the reapers came.

2.  The Geth are not sitting like ducks, they are innefectual but still hostile.

3.  I do not recall that conversation at all.  The Geth have a lot to apologize for, like joining the reapers, letting the heretics loose, driving the Quarians to near extinction and desperation in what is arguably genocide.  The Tali I talked to after peace was happy the geth were around to help them rebuild.

1. So even after they got reports of the Reapers, taking out Earth and Palaven, they still go on with their foolish war. Smooth.

2. Great, so kill 'em all and let god sort them out.

3. ...you talk to her on the Normandy after making peace.
The geth don't hide their activites. The heretics are an entirely different body of geth; it would be like blaming humanity for everything Cerberus and ****** TIM have done.  The geth defended themselves during the Morning War. They were going to be all killed by the quarians but they fought back and the quarians left; the geth chould have killed all of the quarians, but they let them go.

[Conniving_Eagle]

EsterCloat wrote...

The fact that peace is brokered between the geth and the quarians by the simple act of the quarians no longer shooting is telling. The quarians have to do one simple thing, not try to kill the geth, and the fight is over. The geth don't fight anymore, pre or post upload, and they can have their planet back. The whole scenario of "saving" the quarians or saving the geth is entirely instigated by the quarians. The geth are more or less inert in this scenario until acted upon by an outside force, namely the quarians.

They're committing suicide by war. If they want to continue their suicidal endeavors they can go right ahead. I'll try to stop them but if they keep moving forward with their idiocy then that's on their heads.

This, so very, very hard.

Uploading the code is the morally right decision. It is also the paragon decision (top right of the dialogue interface).

The Quarian government decided to go to war. Its stupidity will lead to the downfall of its people.

[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
True, but I was simply saying that 17 million is the absolute maximum they could get on short notice, and they may or may not be able to transform them into something a more numerous species could be turned into, like how Turians are multipurposed into Marauders and Brutes for command/tank roles, and how humans can be husks and cannibal cannons.  They would throw the Quarian husks at Shep, but there just are so few out there the odds of Shepard finding them are slim.

Shep finds rare crap attacking him all the time. *looks at Rachni*

So yeah they odds don't tend to be in poor Shep's favor for not encountering something.

Haha, ya, I'm surprised he hasn't run into other extinct species attcking him like Protheans or something 

Or some non-uplifted creature with the strength of a Krogan and intelligence of a Salarian. :innocent:

[Ryzaki]

EsterCloat wrote...

The fact that peace is brokered between the geth and the quarians by the simple act of the quarians no longer shooting is telling. The quarians have to do one simple thing, not try to kill the geth, and the fight is over. The geth don't fight anymore, pre or post upload, and they can have their planet back. The whole scenario of "saving" the quarians or saving the geth is entirely instigated by the quarians. The geth are more or less inert in this scenario until acted upon by an outside force, namely the quarians.

They're committing suicide by war. If they want to continue their suicidal endeavors they can go right ahead. I'll try to stop them but if they keep moving forward with their idiocy then that's on their heads.

Agreed with all the ticks and THIS in the world.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  They went to war before the reapers arrived.

2.  They do not sit like ducks, they are normal Geth again and the countermeasure work.  They are still trying to fight back, just failing miserably.

3.  Tali admits the morning war was wrong.  The Quarians also admit they made many other mistakes.  And I don't recall the Geth apologizing for stuff.

1. Source. The quarians were kicking up dirt well after Palaven, Tuchunka and Earth were being eaten.

2. Because the geth can't give the quarians a good kicking like last time?

3. She still admits she would have killed all the geth after you talk to her making peace. The geth don't have to apologize, as they don't hide what they have done, unlike the quarians.

1.  The Alliance News Network posts proves the Quarians had armed for war well before the reapers arrived.  The Spectre Terminal post accessed upon first visit indicates the Quarians have been gone for some time after being last seen refueling at Illium.  this is accessed right after Earth, indicating they went to war before the reapers came.

2.  The Geth are not sitting like ducks, they are innefectual but still hostile.

3.  I do not recall that conversation at all.  The Geth have a lot to apologize for, like joining the reapers, letting the heretics loose, driving the Quarians to near extinction and desperation in what is arguably genocide.  The Tali I talked to after peace was happy the geth were around to help them rebuild.

1. So even after they got reports of the Reapers, taking out Earth and Palaven, they still go on with their foolish war. Smooth.

2. Great, so kill 'em all and let god sort them out.

3. ...you talk to her on the Normandy after making peace.
The geth don't hide their activites. The heretics are an entirely different body of geth; it would be like blaming humanity for everything Cerberus and ****** TIM have done.  The geth defended themselves during the Morning War. They were going to be all killed by the quarians but they fought back and the quarians left; the geth chould have killed all of the quarians, but they let them go.

1.  Well, Ya.  They were on the verge of victory before the reapers showed up, all the more reason to press the attack before the reapers turn their attention to them.  Not to mention the Geth are known allies of the reapers thanks to the battle of the Citadel.

2.  I do not know what you are rebutting here.  My first post was saying that the geth were not immediately peaceful after losing reaper code.  They are all still fighting, the Geth show no more sympathy to the Quarians when you choose them over their creators.

3.  Just looked it up, and she does indeed say she would have killed them, but only because she did not know peace was possible and she then admits she was wrong.  
And Legion does admit they regret what happened, so I take back what I said about the Geth not apologizing.  I stand by that the Quarians are just as, if not more, consistent in accepting responsibility for their faults.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:26 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Ryzaki wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...

The fact that peace is brokered between the geth and the quarians by the simple act of the quarians no longer shooting is telling. The quarians have to do one simple thing, not try to kill the geth, and the fight is over. The geth don't fight anymore, pre or post upload, and they can have their planet back. The whole scenario of "saving" the quarians or saving the geth is entirely instigated by the quarians. The geth are more or less inert in this scenario until acted upon by an outside force, namely the quarians.

They're committing suicide by war. If they want to continue their suicidal endeavors they can go right ahead. I'll try to stop them but if they keep moving forward with their idiocy then that's on their heads.

Agreed with all the ticks and THIS in the world.

Ester got it down to pat.

[4stringwizard]

Anyone who would willingly wipe out an entire organic race to save a bunch of machines is an idiot, a monster, or both. Case closed.

[vixvicco]

Phlander wrote...

Two things to note:

The Geth chose not to communicate with anyone about the situation, even though they were open to the idea of The Creators returning home.

They sided with the Reapers to solve their own problems... twice...

Dont get me wrong, I like the Geth, they are as alive as the Quarians to me, but i feel like everyone just hates the Quarians because its the progressive hipster thing to do...

This ^^. 

[justafan]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
True, but I was simply saying that 17 million is the absolute maximum they could get on short notice, and they may or may not be able to transform them into something a more numerous species could be turned into, like how Turians are multipurposed into Marauders and Brutes for command/tank roles, and how humans can be husks and cannibal cannons.  They would throw the Quarian husks at Shep, but there just are so few out there the odds of Shepard finding them are slim.

Shep finds rare crap attacking him all the time. *looks at Rachni*

So yeah they odds don't tend to be in poor Shep's favor for not encountering something.

Haha, ya, I'm surprised he hasn't run into other extinct species attcking him like Protheans or something 

Or some non-uplifted creature with the strength of a Krogan and intelligence of a Salarian. :innocent:

Well at least it's not like he has a combat squad that at one point or another had two heads of state, last of an extinct species, and the most powerful information broker in the galaxy right?  I mean what are the odds of THAT happening? 

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:32 .

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...


1. So even after they got reports of the Reapers, taking out Earth and Palaven, they still go on with their foolish war. Smooth.

2. Great, so kill 'em all and let god sort them out.

3. ...you talk to her on the Normandy after making peace.
The geth don't hide their activites. The heretics are an entirely different body of geth; it would be like blaming humanity for everything Cerberus and ****** TIM have done.  The geth defended themselves during the Morning War. They were going to be all killed by the quarians but they fought back and the quarians left; the geth chould have killed all of the quarians, but they let them go.

1.  Well, Ya.  They were on the verge of victory before the reapers showed up, all the more reason to press the attack before the reapers turn their attention to them.  Not to mention the Geth are known allies of the reapers thanks to the battle of the Citadel.

2.  I do not know what you are rebutting here.  My first post was saying that the geth were not immediately peaceful after losing reaper code.  They are all still fighting, the Geth show no more sympathy to the Quarians when you choose them over their creators.

3.  Just looked it up, and she does indeed say she would have killed them, but only because she did not know peace was possible and she then admits she was wrong.  
And Legion does admit they regret what happened, so I take back what I said about the Geth not apologizing.  I stand by that the Quarians are just as, if not more, consistent in accepting responsibility for their faults.

1. But they still started a war, even after Shepard and Tali warn them about the Reapers. Even once reports show up- for Earth is attacked quite a bit before you go to meet the quarians. That was a splinter group. The geth can't be blamed for people being unable to tell the Heretics apart from their group. People couldn't tell a Cerberus robot agent from a normal human scientist either.
2. It...that was a joke XD A reference which I don't think anyone got. Gorramit.
All the quarians needed to do was stop attacking; the geth wouldn't have attacked them. The quarians started this brawl and got punched right in the face in response.

3. Yeah, but she still would have done it; doesn't matter that, post-peace, she would have been wrong, she still would have killed them all.

[KiwiQuiche]

4stringwizard wrote...

Anyone who would willingly wipe out an entire organic race to save a bunch of machines is an idiot, a monster, or both. Case closed.

We can start the whole 'and organics are just a bunch of meat-sacks' but I think we would be going off topic.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  Well, Ya.  They were on the verge of victory before the reapers showed up, all the more reason to press the attack before the reapers turn their attention to them.  Not to mention the Geth are known allies of the reapers thanks to the battle of the Citadel.

2.  I do not know what you are rebutting here.  My first post was saying that the geth were not immediately peaceful after losing reaper code.  They are all still fighting, the Geth show no more sympathy to the Quarians when you choose them over their creators.

3.  Just looked it up, and she does indeed say she would have killed them, but only because she did not know peace was possible and she then admits she was wrong.  
And Legion does admit they regret what happened, so I take back what I said about the Geth not apologizing.  I stand by that the Quarians are just as, if not more, consistent in accepting responsibility for their faults.

1. But they still started a war, even after Shepard and Tali warn them about the Reapers. Even once reports show up- for Earth is attacked quite a bit before you go to meet the quarians. That was a splinter group. The geth can't be blamed for people being unable to tell the Heretics apart from their group. People couldn't tell a Cerberus robot agent from a normal human scientist either.
2. It...that was a joke XD A reference which I don't think anyone got. Gorramit.
All the quarians needed to do was stop attacking; the geth wouldn't have attacked them. The quarians started this brawl and got punched right in the face in response.

3. Yeah, but she still would have done it; doesn't matter that, post-peace, she would have been wrong, she still would have killed them all.

1.  Well, the geth could have told someone they were not all heretics.  As much as Cerberus likes to claim they are humanity, the rest of the species lets everyone know they are not all terrorists.  Though the Geth are not alone in this, Batarians make similar mistakes

2.  Sorry I didn't get the reference, but that saying is actually pretty well known from where I'm from and isn't pegged to one movie or another.

3.  Irrelevant, point three was about admitting mistakes, something that Tali is demonstrating. 

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:39 .

[Meltemph]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

Anyone who would willingly wipe out an entire organic race to save a bunch of machines is an idiot, a monster, or both. Case closed.

We can start the whole 'and organics are just a bunch of meat-sacks' but I think we would be going off topic.

The geth are software, with no hardware the ability to rebuild them as a "species" is possible, while recreating Quarians are not possible(in this Universe), so in terms of keeping both "species" around, going with the Quarians make the most sense.

Geth are still an experiment by most standards, while Quarians are a natural existence, whic has more "knowns" and expectations.  Going with Quarians is the safer pick.  

[mango smoothie]

I'm going to avoid explaining my normal reason as it always starts some flame war, and explain some of my other reasons. Now I managed to secure peace with the Geth/Quarians, but if I had to choose then I would've chosen the Quarians.

First off there are millions of innocent civilians who wanted no part in the war. By siding with the Geth you condemn the lives of those civilians man, woman, and child. Should a person really punish all those people just because they don't like their government.

Second the Geth sided with the Reapers, yes I know out of fear of being destroyed, but isn't that exactly what Saren was trying to tell us we should do. Anyone who told Saren they would rather die then live as slaves, and then say that the Geth siding with the Reapers is just fine is a hypocrite.

[Ryzaki]

@justafan: lol
@chutlu I know that.

Really: being a monster staff still side with Beth. Paragon sheperd made right choice for him.