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[Krunjar]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The Geth are innocent victims.

The Qurians are a species that does retarded things on a daily basis.

You beat me to it.

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

1. But they still started a war, even after Shepard and Tali warn them about the Reapers. Even once reports show up- for Earth is attacked quite a bit before you go to meet the quarians. That was a splinter group. The geth can't be blamed for people being unable to tell the Heretics apart from their group. People couldn't tell a Cerberus robot agent from a normal human scientist either.
2. It...that was a joke XD A reference which I don't think anyone got. Gorramit.
All the quarians needed to do was stop attacking; the geth wouldn't have attacked them. The quarians started this brawl and got punched right in the face in response.

3. Yeah, but she still would have done it; doesn't matter that, post-peace, she would have been wrong, she still would have killed them all.

1.  Well, the geth could have told someone they were not all heretics.  As much as Cerberus likes to claim they are humanity, the rest of the species lets everyone know they are not all terrorists.  Though the Geth are not alone in this, Batarians make similar mistakes

2.  Sorry I didn't get the reference, but that saying is actually pretty well known from where I'm from and isn't pegged to one movie or another.

3.  Irrelevant, point three was about admitting mistakes, something that Tali is demonstrating. 

1. Like the quarians would have listened even if the geth had told them. The geth were fine with their isolation; if the quarians have left them alone none of it would have happened.

And Batarians...well, their slavery rep didn't do them much favours and karma bit them in the ass in the form of the Reapers eating them all first.

2. Yeah, lots of people don't get my jokes.

3. She still would have done it if Shepard hadn't yelled down the quarian fleet. The geth don't bother trying to hide what they have done, unlike the quarians who moan and groan about being victims and act like they were unjustily attacked.

[justafan]

Krunjar wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

The Geth are innocent victims.

The Qurians are a species that does retarded things on a daily basis.

You beat me to it.

Pretty sure you were beaten on page one.  This is a Geth vs. Quarian thread after all.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  Well, the geth could have told someone they were not all heretics.  As much as Cerberus likes to claim they are humanity, the rest of the species lets everyone know they are not all terrorists.  Though the Geth are not alone in this, Batarians make similar mistakes

2.  Sorry I didn't get the reference, but that saying is actually pretty well known from where I'm from and isn't pegged to one movie or another.

3.  Irrelevant, point three was about admitting mistakes, something that Tali is demonstrating. 

1. Like the quarians would have listened even if the geth had told them. The geth were fine with their isolation; if the quarians have left them alone none of it would have happened.

And Batarians...well, their slavery rep didn't do them much favours and karma bit them in the ass in the form of the Reapers eating them all first.

2. Yeah, lots of people don't get my jokes.

3. She still would have done it if Shepard hadn't yelled down the quarian fleet. The geth don't bother trying to hide what they have done, unlike the quarians who moan and groan about being victims and act like they were unjustily attacked.

We will never know, though Korris seemed to be wiliing enough.

It happens to all of us.

Yep, and she admits it would have been wrong, just like shepard can find he was wrong about the geth after conversing with legion.  And the Quarians never hide what they have done, they play the victim card here and there yes, but they never deny they tried to destroy the geth and admit they now know the Geth were sentient.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:56 .

[Ryzaki]

@cthu: typing on nook not accurate sorry.

Sentence was supposed to say don't care about siding with Geth being monstrous wasn't monstrous for my Shep.

[ghost9191]

quarians were just as much innocents as the geth. quarians just followed orders.not a lot of them had a choice in the matter

Modifié par ghost9191, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:00 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

ghost9191 wrote...

quarians were just as much innocents as the geth. quarians just followed orders.

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for so many people.

[Applepie_Svk]

 MY old topic, none of them is without guilt... 

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

1. Like the quarians would have listened even if the geth had told them. The geth were fine with their isolation; if the quarians have left them alone none of it would have happened.

And Batarians...well, their slavery rep didn't do them much favours and karma bit them in the ass in the form of the Reapers eating them all first.

2. Yeah, lots of people don't get my jokes.

3. She still would have done it if Shepard hadn't yelled down the quarian fleet. The geth don't bother trying to hide what they have done, unlike the quarians who moan and groan about being victims and act like they were unjustily attacked.

We will never know, though Korris seemed to be wiliing enough.

It happens to all of us.

Yep, and she admits it would have been wrong, just like shepard can find he was wrong about the geth after conversing with legion.  And the Quarians never hide what they have done, they play the victim card here and there yes, but they never deny they tried to destroy the geth and admit they now know the Geth were sentient.

He seems to be few in number though. I certainly liked him best of the Admirals afterwards.

Admiitedly that bothered me in ME1; if you try to point out to Tali at how the quarians were trying to kill a fellow sentient species, she gets very defensive and angry, as if it were the geth fault they retaliated.
The quarians were aware the geth were sentient in ME3 and it didn't stop them from attacking again.

[Krunjar]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

1.  Well, the geth could have told someone they were not all heretics.  As much as Cerberus likes to claim they are humanity, the rest of the species lets everyone know they are not all terrorists.  Though the Geth are not alone in this, Batarians make similar mistakes

2.  Sorry I didn't get the reference, but that saying is actually pretty well known from where I'm from and isn't pegged to one movie or another.

3.  Irrelevant, point three was about admitting mistakes, something that Tali is demonstrating. 

1. Like the quarians would have listened even if the geth had told them. The geth were fine with their isolation; if the quarians have left them alone none of it would have happened.

And Batarians...well, their slavery rep didn't do them much favours and karma bit them in the ass in the form of the Reapers eating them all first.

2. Yeah, lots of people don't get my jokes.

3. She still would have done it if Shepard hadn't yelled down the quarian fleet. The geth don't bother trying to hide what they have done, unlike the quarians who moan and groan about being victims and act like they were unjustily attacked.

We will never know, though Korris seemed to be wiliing enough.

It happens to all of us.

Yep, and she admits it would have been wrong, just like shepard can find he was wrong about the geth after conversing with legion.  And the Quarians never hide what they have done, they play the victim card here and there yes, but they never deny they tried to destroy the geth and admit they now know the Geth were sentient.

True that but its weird to go on the latest page of the topic and see something almost word for word what you would have written and realise theres no point in wtiting it at all lol.

[Krunjar]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

quarians were just as much innocents as the geth. quarians just followed orders.

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for so many people.

Quarians followed orders ... given by Quarians. We understand the concept. We do not agree that just following orders absolves you of all blame. If someone higher ranking ordered you to murder a baby would you  do it? Because that's what it amounts to .. murduring thousands of infant minds.

The Geth on the other hand showed admirable restraint throught the whole ordeal.

Modifié par Krunjar, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:10 .

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

1. Like the quarians would have listened even if the geth had told them. The geth were fine with their isolation; if the quarians have left them alone none of it would have happened.

And Batarians...well, their slavery rep didn't do them much favours and karma bit them in the ass in the form of the Reapers eating them all first.

2. Yeah, lots of people don't get my jokes.

3. She still would have done it if Shepard hadn't yelled down the quarian fleet. The geth don't bother trying to hide what they have done, unlike the quarians who moan and groan about being victims and act like they were unjustily attacked.

We will never know, though Korris seemed to be wiliing enough.

It happens to all of us.

Yep, and she admits it would have been wrong, just like shepard can find he was wrong about the geth after conversing with legion.  And the Quarians never hide what they have done, they play the victim card here and there yes, but they never deny they tried to destroy the geth and admit they now know the Geth were sentient.

He seems to be few in number though. I certainly liked him best of the Admirals afterwards.

Admiitedly that bothered me in ME1; if you try to point out to Tali at how the quarians were trying to kill a fellow sentient species, she gets very defensive and angry, as if it were the geth fault they retaliated.
The quarians were aware the geth were sentient in ME3 and it didn't stop them from attacking again.

Well, the loss of 99% of the species is understandably a sore spot for her.  And yes they knew the Geth were sentient, just as the Turians knew the Humans were sentient, the Krogan the Rachni, and all other wars.  However in ME3, it is a war to reclaim the homeworld and colonies, not exterminate the Geth.  It is a justifiable decision for war given their situation.

[ghost9191]

Krunjar wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

quarians were just as much innocents as the geth. quarians just followed orders.

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for so many people.

Quarians followed orders ... given by Quarians. We understand the concept. We do not agree that just following orders absolves you of all blame. If someone higher ranking ordered you to murder a baby would you  do it? Because that's what it amounts to .. murduring thousands of infant minds.

compared to murdering actual infants , that had no say in the conflict. they were forced into the war by their admirals or military. they had to

the geth agreed to side with the reapers, even though they knew they would be used as tools, the majority of the quarians were just as innocent as the geth

[KiwiQuiche]

Krunjar wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

quarians were just as much innocents as the geth. quarians just followed orders.

I don't understand why this concept is so hard to grasp for so many people.

Quarians followed orders ... given by Quarians. We understand the concept. We do not agree that just following orders absolves you of all blame. If someone higher ranking ordered you to murder a baby would you  do it? Because that's what it amounts to .. murduring thousands of infant minds.

The Geth on the other hand showed admirable restraint throught the whole ordeal.

Indeed. The quarians need to be held accountable for their actions; yes the Admirals carry much of the blame, but the rest of the race simply can't go "I was just following orders" and blindly follow the stupidity of their leaders.

[ghost9191]

not all of them had a say, a lot of the ships had just civilians on them, that had no part in the war, they were jsut on the ships, no where else to go. the geth all agreed, whereas the quarian civilians had no say in the matter

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

He seems to be few in number though. I certainly liked him best of the Admirals afterwards.

Admiitedly that bothered me in ME1; if you try to point out to Tali at how the quarians were trying to kill a fellow sentient species, she gets very defensive and angry, as if it were the geth fault they retaliated.
The quarians were aware the geth were sentient in ME3 and it didn't stop them from attacking again.

Well, the loss of 99% of the species is understandably a sore spot for her.  And yes they knew the Geth were sentient, just as the Turians knew the Humans were sentient, the Krogan the Rachni, and all other wars.  However in ME3, it is a war to reclaim the homeworld and colonies, not exterminate the Geth.  It is a justifiable decision for war given their situation.

The quarians have to get over it.

That may sound harsh, but their swan song has gone on long enough. Infact, a lot of species need to get over themselves but the quarians are the worst.

The homeworld. What the hell would winning it achieve? They would not get superpowers, or have their immune systems fixed, they spent too long lamenting over their 'lost' homeworld that they lost due to their own ignorance and fear.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

He seems to be few in number though. I certainly liked him best of the Admirals afterwards.

Admiitedly that bothered me in ME1; if you try to point out to Tali at how the quarians were trying to kill a fellow sentient species, she gets very defensive and angry, as if it were the geth fault they retaliated.
The quarians were aware the geth were sentient in ME3 and it didn't stop them from attacking again.

Well, the loss of 99% of the species is understandably a sore spot for her.  And yes they knew the Geth were sentient, just as the Turians knew the Humans were sentient, the Krogan the Rachni, and all other wars.  However in ME3, it is a war to reclaim the homeworld and colonies, not exterminate the Geth.  It is a justifiable decision for war given their situation.

The quarians have to get over it.

That may sound harsh, but their swan song has gone on long enough. Infact, a lot of species need to get over themselves but the quarians are the worst.

The homeworld. What the hell would winning it achieve? They would not get superpowers, or have their immune systems fixed, they spent too long lamenting over their 'lost' homeworld that they lost due to their own ignorance and fear.

Yep, and James, Shepard and Hackett should shut up about taking back Earth, Garrus should just accept that everyone on Palaven is reaper goo, and Liara should get over Thessia.  They need to accept their fate and not put all their hopes in a desperate attempt to defeat their enemy with a countermeasure tailored to their enemy.

And the Wrex should quit whining about the Genophage, it's their own fault they got steralized.  They should just give up on trying to make a better future and die.  (thanks Cthulhu)

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .

[Krunjar]

Getting their home world back would mean that young Quarians would at least be able to experience life outside a suit within their own lifetime that was mentioned in Me2. But honestly there was no reason for the Quarians and the Geth not to Co-Exist from the start. Only reason that whole mess happened was the Quarians panicked and did something extreme to try and cover up the fact that they had created an AI against council laws. And out of their own bias against the idea of synthetic life. If they had just talked to the Geth then in all likelihood they would never have had to leave their home world in the fist place.

[KiwiQuiche]

justafan wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...


Well, the loss of 99% of the species is understandably a sore spot for her.  And yes they knew the Geth were sentient, just as the Turians knew the Humans were sentient, the Krogan the Rachni, and all other wars.  However in ME3, it is a war to reclaim the homeworld and colonies, not exterminate the Geth.  It is a justifiable decision for war given their situation.

The quarians have to get over it.

That may sound harsh, but their swan song has gone on long enough. Infact, a lot of species need to get over themselves but the quarians are the worst.

The homeworld. What the hell would winning it achieve? They would not get superpowers, or have their immune systems fixed, they spent too long lamenting over their 'lost' homeworld that they lost due to their own ignorance and fear.

Yep, and James, Shepard and Hackett should shut up about taking back Earth, Garrus should just accept that everyone on Palaven is reaper goo, and Liara should get over Thessia.  They need to accept their fate and not put all their hopes in a desperate attempt to defeat their enemy with a countermeasure tailored to their enemy.

Agreed. My Shepard should be concerned about the whole galaxy, not one planet she wasn't even born on. Bioware failed with writing yet again.

And those aren't good examples. The quarians got their asses kicked off their planet due to their own stupidity and fear. Earth, Thessia and Palaven suffered an unprovoked attack. They are more akin to the geth, fighting to defend themselves.

[OchreJelly]

Krunjar wrote...

Quarians followed orders ... given by Quarians. We understand the concept. We do not agree that just following orders absolves you of all blame. If someone higher ranking ordered you to murder a baby would you  do it? Because that's what it amounts to .. murduring thousands of infant minds.

The Geth on the other hand showed admirable restraint throught the whole ordeal.

Well, that also applies to the geth themselves. Was it Legion who mentioned the geth used chemical weapons against the quarians in the war? So the geth have plenty of innocents on their hands too; murdering hundreds of thousands of infant "minds" (babies and children) in a slightly different context.

The geth are also platforms, with the 'conciousness' software is stored elsewhere. Destroying a platform may not always be the equivalent of killing a person entirely because the software can be returned to the geth servers (if they haven't been destroyed of course.)

The quarians freaked out for various reasons (mind you the ME1 geth/quarian story was presented differently than how it evolved in ME2 and 3) and made terrible choices, and the geth react (justifiable) and kill presumably billions across multiple worlds in response, then go into a violent seclusion.

My point, is that people insist on seeing the conflict as written as a black vs white thing when it's entirely grey. I'm not sure why anyone wants to pick a 'good' side in this fictional conflict, and to damn the other side to destruction in judgement because both groups made 'damning' mistakes and both admit it.

The choice of who dies on Rannoch shouldn't be tied to the choices of either group at all.

[Krunjar]

Krunjar wrote...

Getting their home world back would mean that young Quarians would at least be able to experience life outside a suit within their own lifetime that was mentioned in Me2. But honestly there was no reason for the Quarians and the Geth not to Co-Exist from the start. Only reason that whole mess happened was the Quarians panicked and did something extreme to try and cover up the fact that they had created an AI against council laws. And out of their own bias against the idea of synthetic life. If they had just talked to the Geth then in all likelihood they would never have had to leave their home world in the fist place.

I am not completeley unsympathetic to the quarians position but the question is if you had to sacrifice one of them .. and in that case I can't destroy innocent sentient creatures who defended themselves in favor of those who tried to slaughter them in the name of their reputation and convenience.

@OchreJelly I do understand that there is alot of room for Grey in the argument but I thaught the precept of the thread was "If only one .. which one" right?

Damn I think I just quoted myself by accident .. Im gettin tired. Oh well u geddit right ?

Modifié par Krunjar, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:36 .