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[Jamie9]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

No they don't. I've seen people say this time and time again, but it's not true. Maximum quarian War Assets are higher than maximum geth War Assets.

Unless anyone with more than 825 geth War Assets would like to prove me otherwise?

Geth give a max of 820.

Quarians give a max of 830.

Hardly a difference really.

[Wayning_Star]

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

[silentassassin264]

Heh, I forgot about that and edited. But they do get and whopping 5 extra from Allers that you left out. So it is really only 5 EMS difference.

[Phlander]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Agree 100% neither choice is really more moral than the other to me.

[silentassassin264]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

[Phlander]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

A small number of quarians was wrong, not to mention the difficult situation their in, you cant blame them anymore than you can blame the Geth

[silentassassin264]

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

A small number of quarians was wrong, not to mention the difficult situation their in, you cant blame them anymore than you can blame the Geth

Yeah I can.  If they had objected they should have put their foot down and abandoned the fleet.  Koris and the Civilian fleet shouldn't have gone along with the other insane Admirals.  I can blame them because in the end they had a choice and instead chose war.  

[o Ventus]

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

A small number of quarians was wrong, not to mention the difficult situation their in, you cant blame them anymore than you can blame the Geth

Going by some of Raan's dialogue ("That... doesn't match the stories we used to tell"), I would say it's a bit more than "a small number of quarians". Maybe not the majority, but it wasn't just a miniscule, unimportant number.

[silentassassin264]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

A small number of quarians was wrong, not to mention the difficult situation their in, you cant blame them anymore than you can blame the Geth

Yeah I can.  If they had objected they should have put their foot down and abandoned the fleet.  Koris and the Civilian fleet shouldn't have gone along with the other insane Admirals.  I can blame them because in the end they had a choice and instead chose war.  

If you fail to save Koris, many of the Civilian Fleet captains do try to abandon the fleet.

This results in their deaths.

That is because by the time they run away, they have already declared war, armed the ships, and the Geth were watching the Mass Relay to kill anything that tried to get through.  At that point, they were enemy combatants and the Geth showed no mercy.  I am saying they shouldn't have even gone back to the system to be near the Geth in the first place.

[ForThessia]

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

[Phlander]

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

Exactly, like i said earlier sometimes it seems as if people hate the Quarians because they feel it puts them on moral highground

[silentassassin264]

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

If you lost to toaster and the electronics in your house.  Later found out that they were truly sentient and tried to go back and take the house back and got pinned down by your flat screen TV, don't expect me to save you.  You started a fight you couldn't win and no matter how they got to be sentient, it doesn't matter.  They deserve life every bit as you do and if you can't see that, then your TV can crush you.

[Jamie9]

Phlander wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

Exactly, like i said earlier sometimes it seems as if people hate the Quarians because they feel it puts them on moral highground

Am I the only one that wouldn't do that? I'd tentatively talk to it then call higher authorities. Burn it. Burn it with fire is not my first thought to deal with the unknown.

[kleindropper]

DocGriffin wrote...

Forget for a moment anything that has to do with Tali, Legion, the ending or EMS. Based solely on the merits of each species as a whole, and given that you are unable to broker a peace between the two, which race would you spare?

Take into account the whole storyline of the conflict. You can take Tali and Legion into account only as an aspect of the species and information they provide, as in don't say "I'd save Quarians because Tali is my LI" or "I only liked Legion, kill the Geth."

Probably the quarians because the quarians can just make more geth if you want both "races" back.  Geth can't create quarians.

[silentassassin264]

Jamie9 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

Exactly, like i said earlier sometimes it seems as if people hate the Quarians because they feel it puts them on moral highground

Am I the only one that wouldn't do that? I'd tentatively talk to it then call higher authorities. Burn it. Burn it with fire is not my first thought to deal with the unknown.

This also.  I would think that it was like the coolest thing ever actually.  

[The Twilight God]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Saren, Benezia, Udina, TIM, Kai Leng, etc. would like to have a word with you.

Obviously indoctrination is outside the field of play.

Saren wasn't indoctrinated when he sided with the Reapers.   Saren was afraid and offered to surrender to save himself.  The others might have been indoctrinated first (well except Kai Leng, he specifically said he wanted to be on the winning side) but clearly organics have willingly chosen the Reapers before sans indoctrination.

No, Saren did not know what Soverieng was at first. In the First novel Saren wanted to use the technology of the mysterious giant warship of unknown origin to basically be the turian equivalent of TIM. He was indoctrinated, along with the sciientist studying the ship, before he ever knew Soveriegn was sentient.

[The Twilight God]

Phlander wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

1. Geth have a larger fleet.

No they don't. I've seen people say this time and time again, but it's not true. Maximum quarian War Assets are higher than maximum geth War Assets.

Unless anyone with more than 825 geth War Assets would like to prove me otherwise?

Yeah but the alliance is higher than both of them, so EMS doesnt make a ton of sense. Im just going to write it off and say Reaper hacking made them less effective.

Quarians have more ships overall, but geth have more dedicated warships. During the brief war the quarians fit weapons on their civilian ships which were glass cannons.

[justafan]

I don't see why "Well the Quarians started it" has anything to do with it. The Quarians who started the Morning War are dead, and the decision to take back Rannoch was completely logical in the face of an imminent Reaper invasion (and yes, they started the attack before the reapers arrived, not after). They are only in the wrong through hindsight, which of course is 20/20.  Few suspected the Geth were truly alive 300 years ago, and the Geth gave little evidence they could be reasoned with in their entire 300 year history.

My reason for saving the Quarians is very simple, civilians and innocents. Millions of innocent Quarians will die, and as tragic as Geth history is, the Geth only truly have 3 sentient entities, Orthodox Geth, Heretic Geth, and Legion. All but one of those entities has been openly hostile to me at one point or another at the time of the decision, and I do not choose to let Legion die, he forces Tali's hand by making it a solid 3/3. In the end, both races would prove equally useful in countering the reapers, so I will choose the one that will save the most amount of innocent lives, which means I will choose the Quarians.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:27 .

[Phlander]

But the Geth appeared hostile to the quarians, an entire house of evil appliances seems pretty frightening to me, especially if they can talk but decide not to.

If you were exiled from your house and forced to sleep under an overpass at night, and then you get your hands on an EMP grenade, of course your going to decide to throw it through your window and live happily ever after.

[Zacatus88]

I feel bad for the Geth, but i could never choose wiping out an entire race of organics to preserve machines. That would be insane.

[Phlander]

justafan wrote...

I don't see why "Well the Quarians started it" has anything to do with it. The Quarians who started the Morning War are dead, and the decision to take back Rannoch was completely logical in the face of an imminent Reaper invasion (and yes, they started the attack before the reapers arrived, not after). They are only in the wrong through hindsight, which of course is 20/20.  Few suspected the Geth were truly alive 300 years ago, and the Geth gave little evidence they could be reasoned with in their entire 300 year history.

My reason for saving the Quarians is very simple, civilians and innocents. Millions of innocent Quarians will die, and as tragic as Geth history is, the Geth only truly have 3 sentient entities, Orthodox Geth, Heretic Geth, and Legion. All but one of those entities has been openly hostile to me at one point or another at the time of the decision, and I do not choose to let Legion die, he forces Tali's hand by making it a solid 3/3. In the end, both races would prove equally useful in countering the reapers, so I will choose the one that will save the most amount of innocent lives, which means I will choose the Quarians.

You said what i wanted to say, but could not formulate on my own, well done sir.

[Kastrenzo]

No matter how hard the game tries, they will never convince me that the Geth, or EDI are Alive,

For all their flaws, the Quarians -are- living beings.
at best, I exploit the geth because they end up getting killed by the Crucible anyway.