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[ForThessia]

Jamie9 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

Exactly, like i said earlier sometimes it seems as if people hate the Quarians because they feel it puts them on moral highground

Am I the only one that wouldn't do that? I'd tentatively talk to it then call higher authorities. Burn it. Burn it with fire is not my first thought to deal with the unknown.

if my toaster started talking to me i would be freaked out and i would unplug it to figure out what i should do next, if it attacked me i would fight back 

[ForThessia]

silentassassin264 wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

ugh people who say the war was the quarians fault confuse me
if my toaster asked me if it had a soul i would lunge for the plug, if it jumped up and burned my arm to stop me i would smash it on the ground. if all the electronics in my house all started trying to kill me and my family you better believe i would grab a weapon and start smashing them. The quarians were in no way irrational for how they handled the situation

If you lost to toaster and the electronics in your house.  Later found out that they were truly sentient and tried to go back and take the house back and got pinned down by your flat screen TV, don't expect me to save you.  You started a fight you couldn't win and no matter how they got to be sentient, it doesn't matter.  They deserve life every bit as you do and if you can't see that, then your TV can crush you.

was going to respond but now thinking about my flatscreen TV ambushing me, will respod when focused

[silentassassin264]

Phlander wrote...

But the Geth appeared hostile to the quarians, an entire house of evil appliances seems pretty frightening to me, especially if they can talk but decide not to.

If you were exiled from your house and forced to sleep under an overpass at night, and then you get your hands on an EMP grenade, of course your going to decide to throw it through your window and live happily ever after.

If my toasted asked me if it had a soul, there is no reason for me to assume it was evil.  So no that would not scare me at all.  I would tell it no peaking when I got dressed though.  

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

[MisterJB]

justafan wrote...
the decision to take back Rannoch was completely logical in the face of an imminent Reaper invasion

No, it wasn't.
Yes, the quarians needed a place to shelter their noncombatants. However, they risked completely depleting their fleet to gain this base of operations thus leaving them defenseless against the Reapers which would make the entire ordeal pointless.
What they should have done was approach one of the four majors race and offer the use of their fleet in exchange for a place to shelter quarian civillians.

[Jamie9]

ForThessia wrote...

if my toaster started talking to me i would be freaked out and i would unplug it to figure out what i should do next, if it attacked me i would fight back 

If it tried to kill me, I would fight back. That's called self defence.

If it tried to talk to me, I wouldn't unplug it, or kill it. That's called murder.

There is a distinct difference.

[Phlander]

silentassassin264 wrote...

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

But what essentially happened is that your roommate did it, then held you at gunpoint in order to make you help him defend against the electronics, then held you at gunpoint to make you retake the apartment, and then the police came, decided you were at fault, and took your emp grenades and let the electronics have at you, and police men are wrong (i know some of that doesnt make sense, but the parallels dont mesh well here)

[ForThessia]

Jamie9 wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

if my toaster started talking to me i would be freaked out and i would unplug it to figure out what i should do next, if it attacked me i would fight back 

If it tried to kill me, I would fight back. That's called self defence.

If it tried to talk to me, I wouldn't unplug it, or kill it. That's called murder.

There is a distinct difference.

that is the diference between organics and synthetics, you cant "turn us off " because we dont "turn back on"
a synthetic can be turned on and off at will. and dont get me started with the "murder" of a machine

[silentassassin264]

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

But what essentially happened is that your roommate did it, then held you at gunpoint in order to make you help him defend against the electronics, then held you at gunpoint to make you retake the apartment, and then the police came, decided you were at fault, and took your emp grenades and let the electronics have at you, and police men are wrong (i know some of that doesnt make sense, but the parallels dont mesh well here)

I don't have a roommate but assuming I did and she tried to make me fight them at gunpoint, I would kill her.  She would be the more eminent threat to my existence than the appliances.  I would pretend to agree and as soon as she move the gun off of me I would show her why it is a bad idea to threaten a blackbelt.

[EsterCloat]

The fact that peace is brokered between the geth and the quarians by the simple act of the quarians no longer shooting is telling. The quarians have to do one simple thing, not try to kill the geth, and the fight is over. The geth don't fight anymore, pre or post upload, and they can have their planet back. The whole scenario of "saving" the quarians or saving the geth is entirely instigated by the quarians. The geth are more or less inert in this scenario until acted upon by an outside force, namely the quarians.

They're committing suicide by war. If they want to continue their suicidal endeavors they can go right ahead. I'll try to stop them but if they keep moving forward with their idiocy then that's on their heads.

[Jamie9]

ForThessia wrote...

that is the diference between organics and synthetics, you cant "turn us off " because we dont "turn back on"
a synthetic can be turned on and off at will. and dont get me started with the "murder" of a machine

So, because they can be turned on and off at will, that makes it okay to do so. We can do it, so we should?

If it can "think" consciously, then it's alive. Whether it's made of chemicals or code is irrelevant.

Is this our future?

Modifié par Jamie9, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:50 .

[Phlander]

silentassassin264 wrote...

I don't have a roommate but assuming I did and she tried to make me fight them at gunpoint, I would kill her.  She would be the more eminent threat to my existence than the appliances.  I would pretend to agree and as soon as she move the gun off of me I would show her why it is a bad idea to threaten a blackbelt.

well thats the part i was talking about that didnt make sense, and the Quarians did try to resist their roommate, but failed.

[ForThessia]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

But what essentially happened is that your roommate did it, then held you at gunpoint in order to make you help him defend against the electronics, then held you at gunpoint to make you retake the apartment, and then the police came, decided you were at fault, and took your emp grenades and let the electronics have at you, and police men are wrong (i know some of that doesnt make sense, but the parallels dont mesh well here)

I don't have a roommate but assuming I did and she tried to make me fight them at gunpoint, I would kill her.  She would be the more eminent threat to my existence than the appliances.  I would pretend to agree and as soon as she move the gun off of me I would show her why it is a bad idea to threaten a blackbelt.

so you would kill a human being over a barely sentient machine............ok<_<

[Sousabird]

They side with the reapers too often, and they didn't want peace with the quarians until they thought they would loose. If they truly wanted peace they could have left Rannoch.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

Your completely idiotic, judging a whole species based on it's leaders when most of them don't want to go to war.

[justafan]

MisterJB wrote...

justafan wrote...
the decision to take back Rannoch was completely logical in the face of an imminent Reaper invasion

No, it wasn't.
Yes, the quarians needed a place to shelter their noncombatants. However, they risked completely depleting their fleet to gain this base of operations thus leaving them defenseless against the Reapers which would make the entire ordeal pointless.
What they should have done was approach one of the four majors race and offer the use of their fleet in exchange for a place to shelter quarian civillians.

One, they could take back Rannoch with their countermeasures, that could only be stopped by friggin Reaper Tech.  It was a nearly flawless victory until the Reapers arrived, and you can hardly blame them for bad-luck.

And what would they say to the Turians? (the only species who could logically feed them)  "Shelter and feed our millions of immune-deprived civilians and we will help you face the 'reapers', an immortal race of sentient starships you have totally not dismissed as a Geth dreadnought, for which you blame us (and are racist against us) for because we created the geth, who we could destroy right now and eliminate a known hostile force and ally of these 'reapers' with little bloodshed but will instead drop everyone on you"?

Again, the decision to take back the only world they could live long-term on from a known enemy is completely logical and not morally wrong in the slightest.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:54 .

[silentassassin264]

ForThessia wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

But what essentially happened is that your roommate did it, then held you at gunpoint in order to make you help him defend against the electronics, then held you at gunpoint to make you retake the apartment, and then the police came, decided you were at fault, and took your emp grenades and let the electronics have at you, and police men are wrong (i know some of that doesnt make sense, but the parallels dont mesh well here)

I don't have a roommate but assuming I did and she tried to make me fight them at gunpoint, I would kill her.  She would be the more eminent threat to my existence than the appliances.  I would pretend to agree and as soon as she move the gun off of me I would show her why it is a bad idea to threaten a blackbelt.

so you would kill a human being over a barely sentient machine............ok<_<

A human that is threatening to kill me versus a sentient machine that doesn't care what I do?  Oh heck yes.  

[DocGriffin]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

Your completely idiotic, judging a whole species based on it's leaders when most of them don't want to go to war.

Valid. I said evaluate the species as a whole, try not to take that as 'look at them generally.' Remember, Gerrel is a Quarian but so is Korlis.

[Nezedone]

Honestly?

The Quarians. And no, it's not because I'm a Tali fanboy.

It's because the Geth decided to exterminate 99% of an -organic species,- and subsequently force them into a nomadic society for three centuries.

Yeah, it was in self-defense. But there is a point where it stops being self-defense and starts to turn into genocide.

[silentassassin264]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

Your completely idiotic, judging a whole species based on it's leaders when most of them don't want to go to war.

silentassassin264 wrote...
Yeah I can.  If they had objected they should have put their foot down and abandoned the fleet.  Koris and the Civilian fleet shouldn't have gone along with the other insane Admirals.  I can blame them because in the end they had a choice and instead chose war.  

 
Queen Celestia made me edit my post.  

Modifié par silentassassin264, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:03 .

[ForThessia]

silentassassin264 wrote...

ForThessia wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Phlander wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

And if I were exiled from my apartment because my appliances took it from me BECAUSE I TRIED TO KILL THEM, I would leave it with them because it was my fault for trying to kill them.  Yeah my life would be crappy with nowhere to live for a bit, but I brought it on myself.  I would not go get an EMP grenade and try to kill them because I was an ass.

But what essentially happened is that your roommate did it, then held you at gunpoint in order to make you help him defend against the electronics, then held you at gunpoint to make you retake the apartment, and then the police came, decided you were at fault, and took your emp grenades and let the electronics have at you, and police men are wrong (i know some of that doesnt make sense, but the parallels dont mesh well here)

I don't have a roommate but assuming I did and she tried to make me fight them at gunpoint, I would kill her.  She would be the more eminent threat to my existence than the appliances.  I would pretend to agree and as soon as she move the gun off of me I would show her why it is a bad idea to threaten a blackbelt.

so you would kill a human being over a barely sentient machine............ok<_<

A human that is threatening to kill me versus a sentient machine that doesn't care what I do?  Oh heck yes.  

 
so you are chosing to murder someone over turning off an object?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

DocGriffin wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

Your completely idiotic, judging a whole species based on it's leaders when most of them don't want to go to war.

Valid. I said evaluate the species as a whole, try not to take that as 'look at them generally.' Remember, Gerrel is a Quarian but so is Korlis.

Only close minded idiotic people  make a judgment of an entire species just because of 2 leaders, it really baffles me.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:56 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Morally, you have to save both, if you don't you've failed. Neither are to be taken as Alpha.

Not really.  I feel no compulsion to save the Quarians.  They were wrong.  Yeah it helps if you can save both but the difference is that the Geth were victims and the Quarians were aggressors with no legitimate reason to be aggressors. 

Your completely idiotic, judging a whole species based on it's leaders when most of them don't want to go to war.

silentassassin264 wrote...
Yeah I can.  If they had objected they should have put their foot down and abandoned the fleet.  Koris and the Civilian fleet shouldn't have gone along with the other insane Admirals.  I can blame them because in the end they had a choice and instead chose war.  

 
You are completely idiotic because in addition to proving to be completely devoid of logical processes, you also cannot read.

Yeah and if they would have done that, 3/4 of the Quarians were going to die either way, you obviously can't grasp simple common sense.

[Jamie9]

Everybody please stop with the insults.

No need to call anybody an idiot. Thanks.

[ElementL09]

Ned Starks Head wrote...

Save Quarians. You can't have sex with geth.