KiwiQuiche wrote...
Already did and it has no effect on my stance.
synthetic life is a mystery so its difficult to predict how they might evolve. i agree with your comment about evolution but i dont see how the geth will ever reach a level of sentience due to their possession of a hive-mind they dont have personalties, or the ability to think without consensus(we can have our own opinion and act without consulting BSN) but i do believe other synthetic life can achieve sentience(edi)Jamie9 wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
but that sentience was achieved through reaper code not natural progression, i cant see the geth getting to that level naturally
We (****** sapiens) evolved up from single-celled organisms! I'm amazed by evolution, it's just amazing how it works. The Geth would achieve it naturally.
This forum is just like the Geth Consensus. We come here to share our viewpoints, and see if we can come to a consensus. Often we can't (just like during Legion's loyalty mission).
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:24 .
RadicalDisconnect wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
You would too if since you were born you were told stories how the Geth drove you off your homeworld, it's propaganda, just like the Japs used propaganda against us in WW2.KiwiQuiche wrote...
Nezedone wrote...
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Yeah let's judge a whole species based on two leaders, and their the idiots?KiwiQuiche wrote...
Geth.
Quarians are just a bunch of morons and I've had enough with their stupidity.
^^
Agree with this
To all the poeple saying "hurr durr Quarians started it"
No. Close-minded individuals started it. As evidenced by the Geth Fighter Squadron Base mission, there -were- Geth sympathizers amongst the Quarians. Not only that, but by the time of the invasion of Rannoch, 1-2 of the admirals don't even support it. (Assuming Tali becomes an Admiral, 2/5 of the Board is for war, 2/5 is against, and the last Admiral is just piggy-backing on the war-side because of no other viable alternatives.)
You have no idea how badly I want to Godwin this thread >.>
Right, cause the majority of the quarians didn't think the geth should die, eh? Please, only a small number didn't agree with killing the geth and they got shot down by other quarians for that.
The population should have done something rather than blindly follow those idiots to war; they deserve their fact for not having the backbone to kick the Admiral's asses when they started that stupid campaign. At least the geth don't lie about what they did during the Morning War, while the quarians maintain their victim stance.
I hereby declare the Godwin threshold reached!
Ryzaki wrote...
Ah I didn't really say why I sided with the Geth eh? Tireless machines, nice sized fleet, didn't fire abord a ship with my Shep on it while claiming to be allies, don't annoy the hell out of me.
Find them preferable to the Quarians in every way.
Only Quarians I can even stand are Koris, Veetor and Reeger.
Jamie adressed it before i could a page back;)The Twilight God wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
ummmmmm okey?The Twilight God wrote...
Both are just a bunch of proton, neutron and electrons. Organics are just as much machines as the geth.
But since I can't identify with the geth I don't feel strongly enough to care about them as much as I would quarians.
No counter-argument I take it.
Because if you disagree with something you should put your foot down. Even if Koris and the others who opposed it were well intentioned, they are still an accomplice to the crime and have to pay the consequences. If you help a friend break into a store and kill and rob the cashier so he can get the money to pay for his daughters cancer treatment, you are still wrong. When the cops catch you, you still have to pay for your crime regardless of your reasoning. If you were against it, you should have told your friend you were not going along with his plan.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Your ignoring the point, I'm explaining to you why Koris joined them anyway, even though he disagrees with the other Quarian who wants to go to war, he has to defend or else his species dies? What's so hard to understand?silentassassin264 wrote...
I don't care if 3/4 of the Quarians died. If they chose to slaughter the Geth instead of be rational then they can live with the consequences which of course are death, death, and more death and they will deserve it. I can't find sympathy for people who started a war with the intent of wiping out an entire species and then it going south on them.
RadicalDisconnect wrote...
Well here's a question for you all. What is so intrinsically valuable about organic life? To borrow EDI's line, is it because we instinctively side with the familiar? Bacteria are alive, but are they sapient?
Phlander wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Ah I didn't really say why I sided with the Geth eh? Tireless machines, nice sized fleet, didn't fire abord a ship with my Shep on it while claiming to be allies, don't annoy the hell out of me.
Find them preferable to the Quarians in every way.
Only Quarians I can even stand are Koris, Veetor and Reeger.
In other words, normal quarians
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:26 .
ForThessia wrote...
synthetic life is a mystery so its difficult to predict how they might evolve. i agree with your comment about evolution but i dont see how the geth will ever reach a level of sentience due to their possession of a hive-mind they dont have personalties, or the ability to think without consensus(we can have our own opinion and act without consulting BSN) but i do believe other synthetic life can achieve sentience(edi)
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Stop acting all high and mighty.
"Unlogical"....right, because I won't side with morons who started a war over a question?
Many did and got killed for it by member of their own race. And no where did it say "Most quarians didn't want to go to war" it seemed to be only a small number.
Yes, they get their suits puntured and boom, dead from infection in a few hours. That's fairly sucky combat. Their fleets don't work against reaper ground forces, unless nuking the whole place is all you want to do.
Once again, stop acting all high and mighty.
Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .
Shanky wrote...
I think it's a testament to the ME universe's complexity that people are seemingly split 50/50 on this issue. Good job, Bioware.
That being said, I can't believe people would pick the Geth over the Quarians. I don't think people are thinking this through. Quarians give live birth, they cry, they laugh, they fall in love, they have culture, art, music. Geth do what...continue to build a menacing army?
Shanky wrote...
I think it's a testament to the ME universe's complexity that people are seemingly split 50/50 on this issue. Good job, Bioware.
That being said, I can't believe people would pick the Geth over the Quarians. I don't think people are thinking this through. Quarians give live birth, they cry, they laugh, they fall in love, they have culture, art, music. Geth do what...continue to build a menacing army?
Sorry, but this scenario is more complex than that. Is either you do something you don't want to do or well over half your species dies, you can bet if that was the case for humanity we would do it in a heartbeat.silentassassin264 wrote...
Because if you disagree with something you should put your foot down. Even if Koris and the others who opposed it were well intentioned, they are still an accomplice to the crime and have to pay the consequences. If you help a friend break into a store and kill and rob the cashier so he can get the money to pay for his daughters cancer treatment, you are still wrong. When the cops catch you, you still have to pay for your crime regardless of your reasoning. If you were against it, you should have told your friend you were not going along with his plan.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Your ignoring the point, I'm explaining to you why Koris joined them anyway, even though he disagrees with the other Quarian who wants to go to war, he has to defend or else his species dies? What's so hard to understand?silentassassin264 wrote...
I don't care if 3/4 of the Quarians died. If they chose to slaughter the Geth instead of be rational then they can live with the consequences which of course are death, death, and more death and they will deserve it. I can't find sympathy for people who started a war with the intent of wiping out an entire species and then it going south on them.
legion says during his loyalty mission that he cant choose whether to destroy or rewrite the heretics because he cant reach consensus, this leads me to believe that they become paralyzed by indecision without consensusJamie9 wrote...
ForThessia wrote...
synthetic life is a mystery so its difficult to predict how they might evolve. i agree with your comment about evolution but i dont see how the geth will ever reach a level of sentience due to their possession of a hive-mind they dont have personalties, or the ability to think without consensus(we can have our own opinion and act without consulting BSN) but i do believe other synthetic life can achieve sentience(edi)
Legion clearly can make decisions without consulting consensus. I assume all the Geth post-Reaper upgrades can too.
In fact, I don't think it was ever necessary. The Geth just recognised that putting more views across would make the issue clearer. Humans, again, do the exact same thing, just in a different way.
silentassassin264 wrote...
Because if you disagree with something you should put your foot down. Even if Koris and the others who opposed it were well intentioned, they are still an accomplice to the crime and have to pay the consequences. If you help a friend break into a store and kill and rob the cashier so he can get the money to pay for his daughters cancer treatment, you are still wrong. When the cops catch you, you still have to pay for your crime regardless of your reasoning. If you were against it, you should have told your friend you were not going along with his plan.
You have to understand that the Quarians have been hearing war stories, propaganda, etc as soon as they were born, therefore, of course their going to have a problem with the Geth.Ryzaki wrote...
Phlander wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Ah I didn't really say why I sided with the Geth eh? Tireless machines, nice sized fleet, didn't fire abord a ship with my Shep on it while claiming to be allies, don't annoy the hell out of me.
Find them preferable to the Quarians in every way.
Only Quarians I can even stand are Koris, Veetor and Reeger.
In other words, normal quarians
Uh no. Koris is an geth sympathizer, Veetor a tramautizied victim (not that he was ever very stable in the first place) and Reeger seems to be one of the few Quarians with common damn sense that my Shep meets.
So no not normal quarians. Tali's closer to normal quarians and I can't stand her ass.
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Stop acting all high and mighty.
"Unlogical"....right, because I won't side with morons who started a war over a question?
Many did and got killed for it by member of their own race. And no where did it say "Most quarians didn't want to go to war" it seemed to be only a small number.
Yes, they get their suits puntured and boom, dead from infection in a few hours. That's fairly sucky combat. Their fleets don't work against reaper ground forces, unless nuking the whole place is all you want to do.
Once again, stop acting all high and mighty.
Yes, unlogical because you claim things and back it up with stupid logic, don't you know the definition of the word.
Actually do more research, it was well over half, but it soon lowered once people started dying. Also, again, you can't comprehend simple scenarios, if your govermnent told you that some robots they created went rogue, you would be against the Geth too, because you obviously choose to believe your govermnent and haven't heard the other side.
It doesn't mean they can't fight, and their fleet is not suppose to be used against ground forces all the time, are you daft?
I'm not acting all high and mighty, I'm presenting my argument with common sense something you seem incapable of doing.
Well, that's good to know.
Ryzaki wrote...
Shanky wrote...
I think it's a testament to the ME universe's complexity that people are seemingly split 50/50 on this issue. Good job, Bioware.
That being said, I can't believe people would pick the Geth over the Quarians. I don't think people are thinking this through. Quarians give live birth, they cry, they laugh, they fall in love, they have culture, art, music. Geth do what...continue to build a menacing army?
...really? Because I choose not to pick the aggressor over the one's defending themselves I'm not thinking it through? <_<
Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
You have to understand that the Quarians have been hearing war stories, propaganda, etc as soon as they were born, therefore, of course their going to have a problem with the Geth.
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .
Phlander wrote...
KiwiQuiche wrote...
Already did and it has no effect on my stance.
Then why rehash the things that have already been argued over? You cant blame the entire race for the actions of a few, its that simple.
Also, your comment about them being bad soldiers... I explained why they are tactically superior in the second reply.
Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:33 .
Phlander wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Shanky wrote...
I think it's a testament to the ME universe's complexity that people are seemingly split 50/50 on this issue. Good job, Bioware.
That being said, I can't believe people would pick the Geth over the Quarians. I don't think people are thinking this through. Quarians give live birth, they cry, they laugh, they fall in love, they have culture, art, music. Geth do what...continue to build a menacing army?
...really? Because I choose not to pick the aggressor over the one's defending themselves I'm not thinking it through? <_<
The fact that you reduce it to something that simple most definetely means you are not thinking it through
Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:38 .
Not really. That well over half of my species is wrong. If over half of my species was going in an endeavour I found morally reprehensible as well as quite hazardous, I am not going to throw my support because yay humanity. I will not compromise my values because I am outnumbered. If their idea is wrong with 10 people following it, it is wrong with 4.5 billion following it. If those 4.5 billion have to die before they see the truth, so be it but I will never support them.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Sorry, but this scenario is more complex than that. Is either you do something you don't want to do or well over half your species dies, you can bet if that was the case for humanity we would do it in a heartbeat.silentassassin264 wrote...
Because if you disagree with something you should put your foot down. Even if Koris and the others who opposed it were well intentioned, they are still an accomplice to the crime and have to pay the consequences. If you help a friend break into a store and kill and rob the cashier so he can get the money to pay for his daughters cancer treatment, you are still wrong. When the cops catch you, you still have to pay for your crime regardless of your reasoning. If you were against it, you should have told your friend you were not going along with his plan.Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Your ignoring the point, I'm explaining to you why Koris joined them anyway, even though he disagrees with the other Quarian who wants to go to war, he has to defend or else his species dies? What's so hard to understand?silentassassin264 wrote...
I don't care if 3/4 of the Quarians died. If they chose to slaughter the Geth instead of be rational then they can live with the consequences which of course are death, death, and more death and they will deserve it. I can't find sympathy for people who started a war with the intent of wiping out an entire species and then it going south on them.
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