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[KiwiQuiche]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

So the quarians didn't start the Morning War and attack the geth while the Reapers were invading? Well, that's good to know.

You mean when the quarians who wanted the geth to die started killing the sympathizers?

So even though they can die from one bullet wound due to infection they are better ground fighters than geth, and their ships are all second-hand and get patched up all the time they are better than geth ships?

I did, you just chose to ignore and be all "Omg wow look at you"

Yes, the Quarians started the Morning Wars, but it was because their leaders ordered them too and then told them to go against the Geth, it's like you completely ignore everything I previously wrote and decided to start acting obtuse because you don't have a leg to stand on. Also, again, the Geth invasion happen because of two admirals, the Quarians didn't want to go to war. And the way that response that you just wrote shows me the concept and basis of your logic.

You mean the Geth who bombed Quarian babies? See what I did there, I spilled non-sense that wasn't pertaining to the arguement, just like you did.

I never claimed they were better ground fighters than the Geth, keep your words out of my mouth. And the Quarians have the best fleet in the galaxy this is confirmed, no matter what you think.

Nope, you have yet to provide anything that makes any sort of sense.

Ugh, NO. If my government ordered me to do something I had no idea why or were morally against, I would refuse. I wouldn't blindling follow them.

Then the rest of the quarians should have gotten rid of those two admirals, rather than risk their entire species over this stupid campaign.

Lol and here is the "Geth strangled quarian babies in cribs" arguments. Try again.

Of course the quarians stupidly blowing up the geth dreadnaught, which would have been a good war asset, wasn't stupid or anything, especially while Commander Shepard was on it.

Neither do you.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:55 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
ctually no, Humanity has the biggest WA, but not when it comes to fleets.

Also, Raan did tell me they had the best fleet, even though they went a little crazy by arming every ship with no armor.

In general humanity has the largest amount of WA.

She says they have the LARGEST fleet but the Turians have more firepower.

Ugh here.

6:19

And putting Thannix cannons on their liveships. *facepalms* While it would make perfect sense against Reapers (they'd target civilians REGARDLESS)  is utterly idiotic against Geth.

Obviously Humanity will have the largest ammount of WA, Their going to give more to the cause to Hackett than anyone else.

And IMO, Quantity>Quality, but again, it's opinion. But we can agree they have a better fleet than the Geth.

[jdtungsten]

My two cents on the subject is more or less both sides are wrong. The Quarians are wrong for trying to wipe out the Geth and the Geth are wrong for preparing to use lethal force to preserve themselves which I find more appalling because the Geth are suppose to be intelligent so why don't they hack or sabotage the Quarian weapon systems. Personally, if someone was shooting at me I would want to shoot them to disarm them not to kill them. Plus the Geth are synthetic they should have no sense of ownership so why can't they just hand over Rannoch and leave (I know it is more complicated than that but if the Quarians had Rannoch back but still the whole fleet was out to wipe out the Geth maybe the Geth would have been sympathetic for me).

[Phlander]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Maybe because Reaper troops will attack them? Or bandits/mercaneries? Easiest way to win a war is to simply starve the opposition of what they need, cutting out supply lines is an easy way to do this.
Quarians aren't good fighters, Reegar says that himself as it gets messy very quickly for them, due to their poor health.

Supply lines would be run from space, hence the fleet. 

Yes, but geth evolve very quickly and they can replace themselves quickly as well.
Also, that argument can be in favour of the geth as well.

The whole point there is that the quarians wouldnt be involved with much front-line combat anyway, and about their shields, i realise the geth can aswell, but it was only to show that quarians dont go down after a single round.

This is all irrelevant anyway, because the OP wanted the moral side of things

[Phlander]

jdtungsten wrote...

My two cents on the subject is more or less both sides are wrong. The Quarians are wrong for trying to wipe out the Geth and the Geth are wrong for preparing to use lethal force to preserve themselves which I find more appalling because the Geth are suppose to be intelligent so why don't they hack or sabotage the Quarian weapon systems. Personally, if someone was shooting at me I would want to shoot them to disarm them not to kill them. Plus the Geth are synthetic they should have no sense of ownership so why can't they just hand over Rannoch and leave (I know it is more complicated than that but if the Quarians had Rannoch back but still the whole fleet was out to wipe out the Geth maybe the Geth would have been sympathetic for me).

My thoughts exactly

[Ryzaki]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Obviously Humanity will have the largest ammount of WA, Their going to give more to the cause to Hackett than anyone else.

And IMO, Quantity>Quality, but again, it's opinion. But we can agree they have a better fleet than the Geth.

Which is why WA isn't much of a measure of anything. It's what each species can spare.

I'd only say that's because they threw guns on their civilian ships which...is completely idiotic unless they were fighting Reapers. It makes their civilians (when they already have a fragile and rather small population) a big ol target. Stupid.

Ugh the whole Rannoch plot just made me facepalm.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:00 .

[silentassassin264]

ForThessia wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...


If they are wrong like say, trying to wipe out another sentient race, then yes.  Is it selfish to acknowledge the rights of our newly sentient toasters and LCD TVs?  They have the right to live as well and if 4.5 billion can't see that and go off to war to fight the LCD TVs and lose, it is on them.  I refuse to take part on a monstrous act like that.  It isn't even like they have anything to gain.  In the Quarians case, as Ryazaki said, the Reapers are taking homeworlds.  They have nothing to gain by taking Rannoch because if the Crucible didn't work or your Shepard is a sadist and chose refuse, the Reapers would just head to Rannoch and kill them all anyway.  

ok have fun when the LCD TVs and Toasters beat those people because you were too proud and rightous to help and then they come pack and slaughter you, your family and your friends because they are machines with no concept of right and wrong.

If those LCD TVs and toasters came back to kill me, I wouldn't blame them.  I personally would not deserve it but when over half your stupid species starts a war it can't finish and shouldn't have started I would expect that result and I would be at peace with it.  And while this situation would be especially sucky since I would have no Toaster free zone to runaway to unless the disliked high altitudes or something, the Quarians had everything beyond the Perseus Veil to go to since the Geth were content to stay there.  So if we made this analogous to ME, lets say the Toasters took Australia (it is a barren hellzone anyway) and those 4.5 died to retake Australia and afterwards, the Toasters were content to stay in Australia as long as I didn't cross them in Australia.  My family and friends would stay in the good ol USA and not cross the Toasters.  Simple as that.

[knightnblu]

Ned Starks Head wrote...

Save Quarians. You can't have sex with geth.

Not true, if you pick synthesis you could have sex with your toaster and procreate.

[KiwiQuiche]

F-ING FORMAT

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:59 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

So the quarians didn't start the Morning War and attack the geth while the Reapers were invading? Well, that's good to know.

You mean when the quarians who wanted the geth to die started killing the sympathizers?

So even though they can die from one bullet wound due to infection they are better ground fighters than geth, and their ships are all second-hand and get patched up all the time they are better than geth ships?

I did, you just chose to ignore and be all "Omg wow look at you"

Yes, the Quarians started the Morning Wars, but it was because their leaders ordered them too and then told them to go against the Geth, it's like you completely ignore everything I previously wrote and decided to start acting obtuse because you don't have a leg to stand on. Also, again, the Geth invasion happen because of two admirals, the Quarians didn't want to go to war. And the way that response that you just wrote shows me the concept and basis of your logic.

You mean the Geth who bombed Quarian babies? See what I did there, I spilled non-sense that wasn't pertaining to the arguement, just like you did.

I never claimed they were better ground fighters than the Geth, keep your words out of my mouth. And the Quarians have the best fleet in the galaxy this is confirmed, no matter what you think.

Nope, you have yet to provide anything that makes any sort of sense.

Ugh, NO. If my government ordered me to do something I had no idea why or were morally against, I would refuse. I wouldn't blindling follow them.

Then the rest of the quarians should have gotten rid of those two admirals, rather than risk their entire species other this stupid campaign.

Lol and here is the "Geth strangled quarian babies in cribs" arguments. Try again.

Of course the quarians stupidly blowing up the geth dreadnaught, which would have been a good war asset, wasn't stupid or anything, especially while Commander Shepard was on it.

Neither do you.

You would refuse and kill 4.5 billion people just because you disagree with them, nice logic.

That's not how the world works, and again, many people wouldn't completely disagree because they do wanna see their homeworld again and they also have been kinda brainwashed by war stories, again you can't grasp simple scenarios unless it bluntly tells you it seems.

I only brought the baby thing up because you did the same thing to me, spilling unlogic not pertaining to the subject, I can see you don't like when it's done to you.

Their wasn't peace at the time, it wouldn't be able to be "a war asset" even if they had stop firing, and again they fired because of Gerrel, a crazy admiral. You can't blame a whole species based on one guy, something you can't comprehend.

Yes I have, you have yet to refute anything I have said.

[silentassassin264]

jdtungsten wrote...

My two cents on the subject is more or less both sides are wrong. The Quarians are wrong for trying to wipe out the Geth and the Geth are wrong for preparing to use lethal force to preserve themselves which I find more appalling because the Geth are suppose to be intelligent so why don't they hack or sabotage the Quarian weapon systems. Personally, if someone was shooting at me I would want to shoot them to disarm them not to kill them. Plus the Geth are synthetic they should have no sense of ownership so why can't they just hand over Rannoch and leave (I know it is more complicated than that but if the Quarians had Rannoch back but still the whole fleet was out to wipe out the Geth maybe the Geth would have been sympathetic for me).

I guarantee you that law enforcement is not taught to disarm someone trying to kill them.  You pull out a gun on a cop and they shoot to kill.

[justafan]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

justafan wrote...


Sorry, have to add something.  The Quarians are clearly inferior in a combat role.  They have a formidable fleet but it is inferior to the geth fleet at ship-to-ship combat, hence the countermeasures.  The Quarians are also inferior ground troops, for obvious reasons, even though the Krogan consider them strong.

What the Quarians add to the war however, is something the galaxy is sorely lacking, logistical support.  Fifty thousand ships can get an awful lot of supplies to the front line, evacuate millions from a besieged colony, and if forced into a combat role can provide the most accurate orbital bombardments around.  Geth ships won't even have life-support.  They may not have combat prowess, but there is more to war than shooting stuff.

Also, the Quarians chose to attack the Geth as a means of survival, they saw no other option in the face of an imminent reaper invasion and extinction.  the Geth made the same mistake of siding with the Reapers as a means of survival in the face of extinction.  Legion acknkowledges that they are both equally culpable for the situation.

True, but that getting people way from enemies doesn't work if you can't kill them. Running can only work for so long, you need to kill them to really escape.

But seriously, what the hell did the quarians think getting their homeworld back would accomplish? It offers nothing.

"Oh yay, our homeworld! Lets celebrate- Wait, what's that?"
*Reapers invade and kill everyone.*

Their homeworld wouldn't grant them magical fighting powers or immedietly cure their weak immune system.

There are other races which excell at combat.  The flotilla would work best in tandem with the military might of the Alliance or Turians.  They can't win the war if they can't keep people alive.

Taking back the homeworld would also allow the Quarians to free up their fleet for it's military role in the greater galactic war effort.  The fleet would be innefectual with civilians on board, hence why they hoped to take the homeworld before the reapers arrived with countermeasures that would leave their civilians and fleet intact.  Not to mention the boost to morale that a homeworld would provide.

[Ryzaki]

knightnblu wrote...

Ned Starks Head wrote...

Save Quarians. You can't have sex with geth.

Not true, if you pick synthesis you could have sex with your toaster and procreate.

...now I'm thinking of Harbinger trying to see if he can salvage some of Shep's DNA so he can have his/her babies. Thx for that.

[KiwiQuiche]

[quote]Phlander wrote...

[quote]KiwiQuiche wrote...

Maybe because Reaper troops will attack them? Or bandits/mercaneries? Easiest way to win a war is to simply starve the opposition of what they need, cutting out supply lines is an easy way to do this.
Quarians aren't good fighters, Reegar says that himself as it gets messy very quickly for them, due to their poor health.[/quote]

Supply lines would be run from space, hence the fleet. 
[/quote]
Reapers and bandits can still attack space ships, Reapers especially since they are lurking everywhere. And judging from how many people would be starving/desperate/loony from the Reapers, they would attack supply lines without thought.

[quote]Phlander wrote...

[quote]KiwiQuiche wrote...

[quote]
Yes, but geth evolve very quickly and they can replace themselves quickly as well.
Also, that argument can be in favour of the geth as well.

[/quote]


The whole point there is that the quarians wouldnt be involved with much front-line combat anyway, and about their shields, i realise the geth can aswell, but it was only to show that quarians dont go down after a single round.

This is all irrelevant anyway, because the OP wanted the moral side of things
[/quote]
True, but geth can take a good deal more punishment.

Agreed...kinda getting off topic.


EDIT: Okay, screw formatting. Sure you guys can still read it.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:04 .

[silentassassin264]

Ryzaki wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

Ned Starks Head wrote...

Save Quarians. You can't have sex with geth.

Not true, if you pick synthesis you could have sex with your toaster and procreate.

...now I'm thinking of Harbinger trying to see if he can salvage some of Shep's DNA so he can have his/her babies. Thx for that.

I KNOW YOU FEEL THIS!

YOU CANNOT STOP THE ASCENSION!



I WILL FIND YOU AGAIN!

Modifié par silentassassin264, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:03 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Obviously Humanity will have the largest ammount of WA, Their going to give more to the cause to Hackett than anyone else.

And IMO, Quantity>Quality, but again, it's opinion. But we can agree they have a better fleet than the Geth.

Which is why WA isn't much of a measure of anything. It's what each species can spare.

I'd only say that's because they threw guns on their civilian ships which...is completely idiotic unless they were fighting Reapers. It makes their civilians (when they already have a fragile and rather small population) a big ol target. Stupid.

Ugh the whole Rannoch plot just made me facepalm.

Even before that, I truly believe the Quarian had a superior fleet, but it doesn't matter because I made peace (=. But I'm just stating that people who think all Quarians should be judge by 2 leaders, are completely wrong.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
You seem to understand that their are three admirals each control their own fleet, if an admiral wants to attack, their whole fleet attacks. And maybe you wouldn't throw your support, but 99% of people who have a brain would because they don't want to see their people die.

Organize mass secondary pilgramages and get the heck out of there.  I would have nothing to do with that.  I wouldn't want to see my people die but if they were hellbent on suicide they can do it without me.  I am not going to support killing off an entire species for no good reason.

To be fair, it was to kick them out of Rannoch and retake their homeworld, not to extirmanate the Geth.

[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...
There are other races which excell at combat.  The flotilla would work best in tandem with the military might of the Alliance or Turians.  They can't win the war if they can't keep people alive.

Taking back the homeworld would also allow the Quarians to free up their fleet for it's military role in the greater galactic war effort.  The fleet would be innefectual with civilians on board, hence why they hoped to take the homeworld before the reapers arrived with countermeasures that would leave their civilians and fleet intact.  Not to mention the boost to morale that a homeworld would provide.

You think the alliance and council (who were barely willing to help each other mind without Shep practically tap dancing for them and almost all their resources go into the Crucible (which is going to help them as well.) ) are going to go out of the way to help the Quarians? 

LOL

They'd been on their own. Like Earth was on it's own. Like Thessia was on it's own. Like Sur'Kesh on it's own. Like the other homeworlds were on their own. They might've helped them evacuate but they certainly weren't going to waste valuable resources on a planet that is out of the way for some ships.

[justafan]

Ryzaki wrote...

justafan wrote...
There are other races which excell at combat.  The flotilla would work best in tandem with the military might of the Alliance or Turians.  They can't win the war if they can't keep people alive.

Taking back the homeworld would also allow the Quarians to free up their fleet for it's military role in the greater galactic war effort.  The fleet would be innefectual with civilians on board, hence why they hoped to take the homeworld before the reapers arrived with countermeasures that would leave their civilians and fleet intact.  Not to mention the boost to morale that a homeworld would provide.

You think the alliance and council (who were barely willing to help each other mind without Shep practically tap dancing for them and almost all their resources go into the Crucible (which is going to help them as well.) ) are going to go out of the way to help the Quarians? 

LOL

They'd been on their own. Like Earth was on it's own. Like Thessia was on it's own. Like Sur'Kesh on it's own. Like the other homeworlds were on their own. They might've helped them evacuate but they certainly weren't going to waste valuable resources on a planet that is out of the way for some ships.

You do realize you get a letter after Rannoch pretty much saying that they Quarians and Turians were working together.  It's the point of the Kal'Reegar is dead letter.

And their options are either run and hide in the flotilla while doing nothing, or stand and fight.  They chose to stand and fight.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:09 .

[Ryzaki]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Even before that, I truly believe the Quarian had a superior fleet, but it doesn't matter because I made peace (=. But I'm just stating that people who think all Quarians should be judge by 2 leaders, are completely wrong.

Eh I find the thought of them having a superior fleet when Tali described their ships to be old repurposed ships a bit...ridculous. But whatever.

They elected those leaders. They listened to those leaders. Their leaders didn't mind control them into doing their bidding.

[Ryzaki]

justafan wrote...
You do realize you get a letter after Rannoch pretty much saying that they Quarians and Turians were working together.  It's the point of the Kal'Reegar is dead letter.

Yeah this is after Shep and the Crucible are in play. And how much aid could the turians have been seriously giving them (Hell the turians ABANDON THEIR OWN PLANET because they can't afford to defend it any longer *as does the Asari I believe) how am I supposed to believe they'd waste resources defending Rannoch? Helping the Quarians with the supply chains sure. They don't have to be on Rannoch to do that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...


Yes, the Quarians started the Morning Wars, but it was because their leaders ordered them too and then told them to go against the Geth, it's like you completely ignore everything I previously wrote and decided to start acting obtuse because you don't have a leg to stand on. Also, again, the Geth invasion happen because of two admirals, the Quarians didn't want to go to war. And the way that response that you just wrote shows me the concept and basis of your logic.

You mean the Geth who bombed Quarian babies? See what I did there, I spilled non-sense that wasn't pertaining to the arguement, just like you did.

I never claimed they were better ground fighters than the Geth, keep your words out of my mouth. And the Quarians have the best fleet in the galaxy this is confirmed, no matter what you think.

Nope, you have yet to provide anything that makes any sort of sense.

Ugh, NO. If my government ordered me to do something I had no idea why or were morally against, I would refuse. I wouldn't blindling follow them.

Then the rest of the quarians should have gotten rid of those two admirals, rather than risk their entire species other this stupid campaign.

Lol and here is the "Geth strangled quarian babies in cribs" arguments. Try again.

Of course the quarians stupidly blowing up the geth dreadnaught, which would have been a good war asset, wasn't stupid or anything, especially while Commander Shepard was on it.

Neither do you.

You would refuse and kill 4.5 billion people just because you disagree with them, nice logic.

That's not how the world works, and again, many people wouldn't completely disagree because they do wanna see their homeworld again and they also have been kinda brainwashed by war stories, again you can't grasp simple scenarios unless it bluntly tells you it seems.

I only brought the baby thing up because you did the same thing to me, spilling unlogic not pertaining to the subject, I can see you don't like when it's done to you.

Their wasn't peace at the time, it wouldn't be able to be "a war asset" even if they had stop firing, and again they fired because of Gerrel, a crazy admiral. You can't blame a whole species based on one guy, something you can't comprehend.

Yes I have, you have yet to refute anything I have said.

No, I would choose another race over theirs. You seemed to forget that part.

If they cannot see the truth, that isn't my fault, it's their species as a whole for becoming so biased. They shouldn't spend so much time bemoaning about their homeworld. They should get a new one. But this time ask permission from the Council first, rather than drift about complaing. Sure, it may take a few centuries to get their immune systems normal, but if they did that from the start, they wouldn't have been so lousy to begin with.

Dude I got that part; I AM SAYING THEY SHOULD GET RID OF GERREL AND XEN. Obviously those two, a war monger and a geth-crazed mechanic, aren't doing their race any favours and need a good punch (again.)

No, you are ignoring it.

[Phlander]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Even before that, I truly believe the Quarian had a superior fleet, but it doesn't matter because I made peace (=. But I'm just stating that people who think all Quarians should be judge by 2 leaders, are completely wrong.

Eh I find the thought of them having a superior fleet when Tali described their ships to be old repurposed ships a bit...ridculous. But whatever.

They elected those leaders. They listened to those leaders. Their leaders didn't mind control them into doing their bidding.

Admirals are appointed, The Conclave is elected.

[justafan]

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Even before that, I truly believe the Quarian had a superior fleet, but it doesn't matter because I made peace (=. But I'm just stating that people who think all Quarians should be judge by 2 leaders, are completely wrong.

Eh I find the thought of them having a superior fleet when Tali described their ships to be old repurposed ships a bit...ridculous. But whatever.

They elected those leaders. They listened to those leaders. Their leaders didn't mind control them into doing their bidding.

Admiralty Board.



The admiralty board is not elected, and the Quarians are technically under martial law.  In the end, it is the admiralty that controls the fleet, despite what the civilians or conclave would like.

Modifié par justafan, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:12 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Phlander wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
Even before that, I truly believe the Quarian had a superior fleet, but it doesn't matter because I made peace (=. But I'm just stating that people who think all Quarians should be judge by 2 leaders, are completely wrong.

Eh I find the thought of them having a superior fleet when Tali described their ships to be old repurposed ships a bit...ridculous. But whatever.

They elected those leaders. They listened to those leaders. Their leaders didn't mind control them into doing their bidding.

Admirals are appointed, The Conclave is elected.

Thank you, also, the Quarians have a better fleet than the Geth.