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#76
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o Ventus wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Artifical gravity is also space magic, the only sci-fi thing to ever cover it in a logical and non-magic way was 2001 a space oddesy, as far as my knowledge goes.


Nice self contradiction there.


Artificial "gravity" can be created by spinning a body so the centripetal force gives the illusion of a force pushing you "down".

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Artifical gravity is also space magic, the only sci-fi thing to ever cover it in a logical and non-magic way was 2001 a space oddesy, as far as my knowledge goes.

Mass effect fields. They're a pretty vital part of the universe. Hence the title of all 3 games.


Do they multilayer it so that the outside is lighter than the inside? Because otherwise the lack of mass would have them floating around a bit.

I don't know, having a rock that went through a star exploding suddenly able to break newtonian physics always seemed more like science fantasy to me.

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o Ventus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet Saren is the prime example of Synthesis.


No.

He.

Isn't.


Well he is for the idea. Not in the execution we saw though.

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xsdob wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Artifical gravity is also space magic, the only sci-fi thing to ever cover it in a logical and non-magic way was 2001 a space oddesy, as far as my knowledge goes.


Nice self contradiction there.


They had them walking on the stations walls, this is how it would need to be so the rotational force could keep them in place, everything would need to be built so that the sides are the floor.

Every other sci-fi that I've seen does not do this or have this design, how do they stay planted.


... Mass Effect does this as well.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Blueprotoss if you think its time to move on then gtfo

Yet I'm not the one complaining here or being childish.


your the one comparing Mass Effect sci-fi to real life and telling people in a thread for talking about ME3 to move on, do you know how stupid that makes you look?

There's a lot space magic in ME and a prime example is a biotic.


you just love repeating the same stuff, worse troll ever

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'm talking about synthesis. 

Talk to Saren.

Saren was implanted. He never changed his genetic structure.

Yet Saren is the prime example of Synthesis.

Again he doesn't use space magic to achieve it.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:45 .


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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet Saren is the prime example of Synthesis.


No.

He.

Isn't.


Well he is for the idea. Not in the execution we saw though.


Still, no he wasn't. Saren favored subjugation. He thought organics should serve the Reapers as tools and slaves in the hopes the Reapers will find them useful and spare them death. He never condoned rewriting synthetics and organics to make peace between the 2 parties.

Modifié par o Ventus, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .


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o Ventus wrote... 

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet Saren is the prime example of Synthesis.


No.

He.

Isn't.

You clearlly didn't play ME1.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:47 .


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And no, Saren has nothing to do with synthesis.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

You clearlly didn't play ME1.


Right back at you. If you can find me a quote from Saren condoning an idea similar ot Synthesis, I will concede my point.

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o Ventus wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet Saren is the prime example of Synthesis.


No.

He.

Isn't.


Well he is for the idea. Not in the execution we saw though.


Still, no he wasn't. Saren favored subjugation. He thought organics should serve the Reapers as tools and slaves. He never condoned rewriting synthetics and organics to make peace between the 2 parties.

I guess TIM wasn't the example for Control or Anderson for Destroy then.

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2Shepards wrote...

And no, Saren has nothing to do with synthesis.


Well, he is a Reaper toady advocating a blurring of the lines between organic and machine. A vision of the future, he was. 

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o Ventus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

You clearlly didn't play ME1.


Right back at you. If you can find me a quote from Saren condoning an idea similar ot Synthesis, I will concede my point.

I see that you aren't interested in logic.

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daaaav wrote...
I'm not a particle physicist so I can't say I really thought a whole lot about how eezo works. The point is that we know what it does in Mass Effect and that the characters know what it can do. It powers the relays and is somehow involved in Biotics. It's like the "spice" of Dune, except Dune gets really pseudo scientific and fuzzy with what folks can do with spice.


It's pretty fuzzy what you can do with eezo and the psychic magic in ME. Expanding it to enact Synthesis isn't much more of a leap than spice (spoilers) allowing you to live 10,000 years as a giant worm god with perfect prescient vision and the memories of all your ancestors back almost to the dawn of sentience.

What didn't occur in Mass Effect was that when faced with a problem, a character didn't just say "No worries, I'll tie some eezo to this baboon here and that blah blah etc etc".


Nope, because they had omni-gel.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

I guess TIM wasn't the example for Control or Anderson for Destroy then.


They are. Your point?

Did you see Saren in a vision running into the Synthesis beam during the Catalyst talk?

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@blueprotoss do you actually believe any of the arguments you're making?

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Blueprotoss wrote...

I see that you aren't interested in logic.


Coming from you, that's laughable.

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o Ventus wrote...

... Mass Effect does this as well.


Only in rare circumstances, for the most part gravity works by ME field >> ????? >> Gravity.

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NoUserNameHere wrote...

2Shepards wrote...

And no, Saren has nothing to do with synthesis.


Well, he is a Reaper toady advocating a blurring of the lines between organic and machine. A vision of the future, he was. 



Yep and he had to die twice based on his Synthesis.

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2Shepards wrote...

And no, Saren has nothing to do with synthesis.


Why doesn't Saren have anything to do with synthesis?

Synthesis has been:

- Advocated by the catalyst

- The Reapers have tried it before

- Saren advocates a melding of Reapers and Organics in order to become "useful" to the Reapers.

- Reapers already do a synthesis of sorts when they create Husks

You can argue that it's not the 'same' synthesis but Saren definately should have been featured alongside The Illusive Man and Anderson when the choices were presented.

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

@blueprotoss do you actually believe any of the arguments you're making?


he's just a troll who doesn't back up his arguements

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o Ventus wrote...
Still, no he wasn't. Saren favored subjugation. He thought organics should serve the Reapers as tools and slaves in the hopes the Reapers will find them useful and spare them death. He never condoned rewriting synthetics and organics to make peace between the 2 parties.


He was for both. He wanted to server the Reapers to survive, and allow a fusion of organic and synthetic. Look up the final Saren confrontation. It's why I think Synthesis is abhorrent, not only do you force the change, but you do the Reaper's bidding.

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

@blueprotoss do you actually believe any of the arguments you're making?

It seems ignorance is blissful for some people based on how its easier to say plot hole instead of using common sense.

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Eluril wrote...

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The first six have been explained.

And Prometheus isn't exactly known for great writing.


What do you mean by "explained"? A few lines in a codex or a few lines of dialogue were more than enough to explain how it works in the universe. I'm perfectly happy with that. What I am getting at is that people focus on things being "explained" in the universe as if it needs to have to be diagrammed exactly how it would work. That's not science fiction, that's a scientific colloquium.

And Ridley Scott should be praised for having the balls to use visuals to tell as much of his story as he can in Prometheus. And care to debate me on whether Prometheus is better than Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection?

Actually biotics and several of the other things mentioned are explained pretty well, synthesis defies all laws of science and principals of evolutions. Biotics work by giving people enhanced with EEZO the ability to fImage IPBImage IPBk with gravity. FTL works by EEZO making the mass of a ship irrelevant and allowing it much faster speeds. The others are there you just have to look.

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AresKeith wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

@blueprotoss do you actually believe any of the arguments you're making?


he's just a troll who doesn't back up his arguements

Yet you're insulting people, which tells me you don't know the definition of the word "troll".