Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet the genre is called science fiction not non-fiction.o Ventus wrote...
xsdob wrote...
Anyone here like science fantasy? Or am I the only one on this forum who does and doesn't mind space magic?
If it doesn't take itself too seriously or try to "harden" itself (like the prequel Star Wars movies did), sure.
o Ventus wrote...
Did you suffer some tragic football-related accident as a child?
I guess you haven't watched Blade Runner or Armitage the 3rd.AresKeith wrote...
Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
even for Sci-fi Synthesis is bull
Yet you're insulting people over Internet for a difference of opinion, which is a prime example of hypocrisy.o Ventus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet the genre is called science fiction not non-fiction.o Ventus wrote...
xsdob wrote...
Anyone here like science fantasy? Or am I the only one on this forum who does and doesn't mind space magic?
If it doesn't take itself too seriously or try to "harden" itself (like the prequel Star Wars movies did), sure.
Did you suffer some tragic football-related accident as a child?
Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you haven't watched Blade Runner or Armitage the 3rd.AresKeith wrote...
Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
even for Sci-fi Synthesis is bull
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Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you haven't watched Blade Runner or Armitage the 3rd.AresKeith wrote...
Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
even for Sci-fi Synthesis is bull
Modifié par Rubios, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:27 .
Rubios wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you haven't watched Blade Runner or Armitage the 3rd.AresKeith wrote...
Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
even for Sci-fi Synthesis is bull
Looks like Mass Effect is their first SciFi for some people.
Yet it does when we're talking about examples of Synthesis in sci-fi before the ME series.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
I guess you haven't watched Blade Runner or Armitage the 3rd.AresKeith wrote...
Rubios wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
those have been explain in the codex while Synthesis came out of nowhere
And according to the codex they are just magic if you try to apply them to reality, they also have a lot of incongruencies.
That's why they call it fiction.
even for Sci-fi Synthesis is bull
no I haven't and it doesn't matter this about Mass Effect and the bs that is Synthesis
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it does when we're talking about examples of Synthesis in sci-fi before the ME series.
Yet you can label most of the codex space magic.AresKeith wrote...
um no I've seen plenty of Sci-fi and played Sci-fi
wizardryforever wrote...
To address the artificial gravity, I believe it is caused by raising the effective mass of the ship to the point that it projects gravity to the degree of a planet the size of Earth. As I understand it, mass is the determining factor in the force of gravity an object projects. All objects have gravity, but the strongest gravity overrides the others in most circumstances. The space magic comes in when you go at FTL speeds (requiring a nullifying of your mass) and still running artificial gravity (requiring a huge raising of your mass) at the same time.
There are many aspects of Mass Effect that are poorly explained. Most of the time, they have the decency to at least kinda have it make sense, unlike Star Trek, for example, which uses technobabble for almost everything. We as fans have gotten a little too used to this, and so when the writers use artistic license a bit to get their point across, we cry foul. It's perfectly understandable, but we need a bit of self-awareness about this.
The Thorian and the Cipher are space magic. The Rachni and their ability to take control of dead bodies is space magic, as is their genetic memory thing. The Prothean beacons and their ability to sense who you are through touch is space magic. Asari reproduction is largely space magic based. The way indoctrination works is space magic as well, since we have only observed the effects, we still have no clue how it actually works. And so on.
People draw the line at synthesis largely because it is introduced suddenly and is massive in scale. That seems to be the main problem with it. And I say all this as someone who supports synthesis, for the most part.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:28 .
o Ventus wrote...
Krunjar wrote...
Eluril wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Eluril wrote...
What do you mean by "explained"? A few lines in a codex or a few lines of dialogue were more than enough to explain how it works in the universe. I'm perfectly happy with that. What I am getting at is that people focus on things being "explained" in the universe as if it needs to have to be diagrammed exactly how it would work. That's not science fiction, that's a scientific colloquium.
And Ridley Scott should be praised for having the balls to use visuals to tell as much of his story as he can in Prometheus. And care to debate me on whether Prometheus is better than Alien 3 or Alien Resurrection?
"Explained" as in they are the established as rules in the universe. Biotics, guns that fire shards of metal and faster than light travel are all possible. We have nothing to suggest Synthesis is plausible nevermind possible. Introducing such unbelievable tech without any explanation or foreshadowing is stupid.
Never seen Alien 3 or Resurrection though I've heard I'm not missing much. And story is one thing. Moronic characters is another.
Lack of foreshadowing is a different argument. Again, what I'm saying is that Science fiction is supposed to be about technology beyond our comprehension. Therefore it is stupid from the perspective of a science fiction setting to label certain things "space magic" and unacceptable as long as they are given an adequate level of explanation in the setting. You really believe if there was "post-game" content that bioware wouldn't have all kinds of codex entries ready to go to explain it at least at the level of biotics?
I agree with this compleley. People are too quick to shout space magic when space magic is the frikkin POINT. And just because a plot device comes out of nowhere does not automatically make it bad. Lots of amatuer designers here who think they could do it better. Off you go then I will let you know if it sucks when you're done.
When a plot element comes out of nowhere it is not inherently bad. When it's a plot element that dictates the flow of the story and it comes from nowhere, then yes it is bad.
Modifié par Krunjar, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .
I see you haven't read through the comments in this topic.wantedman dan wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it does when we're talking about examples of Synthesis in sci-fi before the ME series.
Since when does "we're" equal only "you?"
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're insulting people over Internet for a difference of opinion, which is a prime example of hypocrisy.
Raelen wrote...
Arthur C. Clarke anyone? 3rd law? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." This applies in reality and in fiction IMO.
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you can label most of the codex space magic.AresKeith wrote...
um no I've seen plenty of Sci-fi and played Sci-fi
Raelen wrote...
Arthur C. Clarke anyone? 3rd law? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." This applies in reality and in fiction IMO.
Blueprotoss wrote...
I see you haven't read through the comments in this topic.wantedman dan wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet it does when we're talking about examples of Synthesis in sci-fi before the ME series.
Since when does "we're" equal only "you?"
Krunjar wrote...
It dousn't dictate the flow of the story the story is almost over by the time It shows up. Having an unexpected ending is in other places considered the hallmark of a good plot. But for some reason the ME fans still aren't happy. I wasn't with the lack of closure but now it's just venting rage for the sake of it and its unbecoming.
And most of the Codex is space magic. That's the point. Star Trek did it, Star Wars did it, Battlestar Galactica .. while a bit less guilty .. did it. EVERY sci fi since the dawn of time did it. Learn2Fantasy.
Anyone else tired of hearing this (Stupid) Quote?Raelen wrote...
Arthur C. Clarke anyone? 3rd law? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." This applies in reality and in fiction IMO.
Yet you're complaining about science fiction in a science fiction story that has magic users called biotics.o Ventus wrote...
Raelen wrote...
Arthur C. Clarke anyone? 3rd law? "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." This applies in reality and in fiction IMO.
Please, don't make me explain how that "law" is not a law.
Krunjar wrote...
It dousn't dictate the flow of the story the story is almost over by the time It shows up. Having an unexpected ending is in other places considered the hallmark of a good plot. But for some reason the ME fans still aren't happy. I wasn't with the lack of closure but now it's just venting rage for the sake of it and its unbecoming.
And most of the Codex is space magic. That's the point. Star Trek did it, Star Wars did it, Battlestar Galactica .. while a bit less guilty .. did it. EVERY sci fi since the dawn of time did it. Learn2Fantasy.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:34 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're complaining about science fiction in a science fiction story that has magic users called biotics.
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