Why does everyone hate the Krysae but love the Reegar and Harrier?
#51
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 01:48
The Krysae is fun. I like to have fun with it sometimes, but even as an average player myself, it's an effortless weapon. Aim near, things explode. It doesn't take a lot of skill to use well.
#52
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 01:49
The Harrier is a burst-damage rifle instead of a sustained-damage one like the rest of the Assault Rifles. Its damage output is to high, but no one wants to complain because there are no other good Assault Rifles around, and its low ammo is a limiting factor. It is, however, in gameplay term, still an Assault Rifle, and has a learning curve like one.
The Reegar offers extremely high DPS, an insanely high damage bonus against shields and is fully automatic. It is however balanced by the limited range, low ammo count and the quarter of a second delay between pulling the trigger and it beginning to fire (that may not sound much, but get grabbed, stabbed or staggered in that time, and you have a problem). And there are other extremely strong Shotguns around (e.g. Claymore and GPS), so it doesn't stand out much. The only issue I have with this gun is the headshot bonus. I mean, it does damage in a cone but can do headshots?
The Krysae, however, deals the damage of a Black Widow over a huge area, staggers enemies and requires next to no skill to aim. It doesn't feel like a Sniper Rifle, it feels like godmode, especially in GI, where you can, with a bit abuse of shot charging and reload-cancel, put nearly two mags into the cloak damage window.
It also disrupts the role of the Infiltrator. When equipping a normal sniper rifle, an Infiltrator is advised to pick his targets wisely, taking out high-rank enemies and threats other people didn't see. With the Krysae, you turn into a spawn-clearing AoE monster that deals with the main horde, instead of singular enemies, cashing in score faster than a Justicar priming for a biotic team. It is also only Rare and has no learning curve, thanks to the airbursts, so it attracted even more score junkies to the Infiltrators, much to their chagrin.
#53
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 01:50
#54
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:07
#55
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:12
soultaker65 wrote...
I mean all three are very OP so why does everyone only hate the Krysae?
It easy to see why people would hate all of them
The Krysae is a more powerful, Sniper Rifle version of the Falcon that kills almost any in three shots.
The Reegar can kill every boss in the game in one and a half clips.
The Harrier is the first true Assault Rifle in the game that by itself is OP.
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
Um everyone does hate the reegar, but the krysae is a bigger issue because of the infiltrator damage bonus.
And how is the harrier OP? It's a good weapon, but everyone whines about how it doesn't have above ammo.
#56
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:23
#57
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:24
Locust2 wrote...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE
We can do that today.
At 20k+ per weapon and rounds that cost $20 per.
Its something you'd see a squad having one of them. You don't outfit a squad with four large machine guns. Too heavy, too expensive.
Krysae at its peak would have 3 GI's with them all at X.
Modifié par ryanshowseason3, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:25 .
#58
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:30
Draining Dragon wrote...
soultaker65 wrote...
I mean all three are very OP so why does everyone only hate the Krysae?
It easy to see why people would hate all of them
The Krysae is a more powerful, Sniper Rifle version of the Falcon that kills almost any in three shots.
The Reegar can kill every boss in the game in one and a half clips.
The Harrier is the first true Assault Rifle in the game that by itself is OP.
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
Um everyone does hate the reegar, but the krysae is a bigger issue because of the infiltrator damage bonus.
And how is the harrier OP? It's a good weapon, but everyone whines about how it doesn't have above ammo.
Not everyone hates the Reegar. It has downsides that put a kink in the things it does well.
As for the Harrier, I agree. It's not overpowered at all. Aside from the Mattock (go figure) it's really the only decent AR in the game. Most of the others are somewhere on the useless scale.
Low ammo? How much do you need? There are clips everywhere. Can carry spares with you that aren't terribly hard to get.
#59
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:38
Reegar = will go alone to solo a boss or a big pack of mobs then die = kick from my lobby
Harrier = nothing much to say = ok man! let's play together!!!
Modifié par Ciam, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:39 .
#60
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:42
soultaker65 wrote...
Crimson Vanguard wrote...
Maybe because it doesnt require any skills to use and is the strongest sniper rifle right now
Neither does the Reegar or Harrier, all three are point and shoot guns no skill is required to use these guns.
Not sure if serious or . . .
Modifié par xXdmndmnXx, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:45 .
#61
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:48
If they decided to nerf the Krysae again tomorrow I would have no problem with it as long as they buff assault rifles.
#62
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:49
The main complaint about the Krysae is that it does not require the precise aim that the other sniper rifles do, which would be fine except that it also does comparable damage to some of the best other sniper rifles. So, most of the complaints are coming from snipers using the other rifles that don't like to see other folks stealing their thunder when they previously couldn't (which, honestly, I can sympathize with).
I see no reason to like the Reegar. I'm not sure if this was a glitch or lag or what, but when I tried it out, half the time it would fire entire magazines of blanks -- I'd hold the trigger and see the ammo count go down, but the gun wouldn't actually fire anything. It got me killed many times and was so frustrating that I just gave up. For the same weight, I'd much rather carry a Valiant or a Harrier.
Speaking of which! The reason everyone loves the Harrier is because it is the long-awaited, greatly-desired, ever-so-wonderful Gold viable assault rifle. And I must agree, its performance is impressive. It excels on a Turian. The reason people didn't end up hating it like they do with the Krysae is because it's not seen as "cheap." As powerful as it is, you still have to aim carefully and compensate for recoil and deal with its small spare ammo capacity, which makes it a very fair weapon, but also a very good one.
#63
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:52
I only wish I had the Harrier, but to my understanding, the Harrier is what an assault rifle should be. It only looks OP in comparison to the miserable ARs previously available. ARs should not be getting out-DPSed by pistols. And the only two decent ARs (Harrier and Saber) are both URs, which means they should be pretty awesome.
#64
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:53
#65
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:01
All 3 weapons are very strange. A sniper weapon that can't get head shots, a more-or-less automatic shot gun, and an assault rifle you have to reload every few seconds.[quote]
Hmm, kinda like real life?
Modifié par Quackjack, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:02 .
#66
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:05
On topic, while I do not have the Harrier I do see that it does a really good amount of damage to almost any target and as much whining as I see about ammo, it does not offset the amount of carnage an average player can dish out with it. Same goes for the Reegar and Krysae. I think these weapons are good additions to the arsenal, but I know I'm in the .00000000001% for thinking all three should be left alone.
I keep seeing arguments for kill hoarders, kill stealers and no skill players all over this forum for a variety of reasons. Many make me laugh because the arguments are based on a player's bias towards classes, weapons, or builds. Some are just absolutely ridiculous because some want a class almost wiped from the game. It's a good thing that BioWare doesn't take this community too seriously because we'd all be in trouble then. Get over your cries for balance, nerfs, buffs and just play the game or move on.
Besides, everyone already knows that the Incisor/Predator combo is the best.
#67
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:13
soultaker65 wrote...
I mean all three are very OP so why does everyone only hate the Krysae?
It easy to see why people would hate all of them
The Krysae is a more powerful, Sniper Rifle version of the Falcon that kills almost any in three shots.
The Reegar can kill every boss in the game in one and a half clips.
The Harrier is the first true Assault Rifle in the game that by itself is OP.
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
Simple. Krysae does not need any skill to use. Just point it around the enemies and trigger the fire. The proximity triggering, AoE detonation will do the job. I hate Reegar also, it is also a noob's weapon, but at least it needs some skill to use it well (knowing when to close up to its range and when not). Krysae does not need it either, it can be used from long range, middle range, close range just as good.
Harrier needs skill to use it well. It needs to be aimed, also beacuse of its low thermal clip reserve it is better to aim to the head to maximize its efficiency. Every missed shots cost a lot and you have to go to refill/use up a thermal clip pack meanwhile the enemies you missed shooting you. Using Harrier most efficiently needs skill.
Krysae does not, at all.
Clear?
#68
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:24
#69
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:25
msngae wrote...
AoE, staggers, Auto aim, ignores shield gate, can fire two mags with cloak damage, hits around cover.soultaker65 wrote...
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
this.
All weapons are incredibly powerful but while the Reager (short range, small clip) and the Harrier (UR, small cllip) the Krysae has literlally no weaknesses but tons of strenghts.
#70
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:28
They Krysae was OP only with the Sniper Rifle Buff that came with TC. Without it, it's not much better, if at all, than the Scorpion or Falcon. On my infiltrators with decent CC powers, like the QMI, GI, and SI, I still preferred other weapons that could kill enemies faster. It was pretty amazing with the HI's and the QFI, however.
The harrier, while awesome is still heavy and has little ammo. I can only use it with the Warfighter gear on grenade classes, where I am running from ammo box to ammo box, anyway.
#71
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:40
Exosnake wrote...
msngae wrote...
AoE, staggers, Auto aim, ignores shield gate, can fire two mags with cloak damage, hits around cover.soultaker65 wrote...
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
this.
All weapons are incredibly powerful but while the Reager (short range, small clip) and the Harrier (UR, small cllip) the Krysae has literlally no weaknesses but tons of strenghts.
You forgot the missile glitch.
#72
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:48
soultaker65 wrote...
I mean all three are very OP so why does everyone only hate the Krysae?
It easy to see why people would hate all of them
The Krysae is a more powerful, Sniper Rifle version of the Falcon that kills almost any in three shots.
The Reegar can kill every boss in the game in one and a half clips.
The Harrier is the first true Assault Rifle in the game that by itself is OP.
So why does everyone hate on the Krysae?
I don't hate on any of them. But the balance in the reeger is its incredibly short range. For the harrier, it has a very small ammo reserve and a high ROF. Which means you baby sit ammo boxes.
Modifié par DVS27t, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:20 .
#73
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 03:51
soultaker65 wrote...
Crimson Vanguard wrote...
Maybe because it doesnt require any skills to use and is the strongest sniper rifle right now
Neither does the Reegar or Harrier, all three are point and shoot guns no skill is required to use these guns.
You are either trolling or out of your mind. The reeger is CQC to the max and requires quite a bit of finesse to stay out of seriously sticky situations. The harrier is really only effective with a headshot bonus, so there are your skill requirements.
Definitely not nub guns.
#74
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 04:08
#75
Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 04:14
Star fury wrote...
Krysae is OP and noob-friendly. No interest in playing with it.
Reegar is OP and noob-friendly. No interest in playing with it. It has several drawbacks as short range and ammo though. So somewhat mixed feelings.
Harrier on the other hand is not OP and it requires to aim. It has ammo of a pistol, which is ridiculous for full-auto AR. It has strong recoil. It's ultra-rare. So Harrier could do with a buff, ammo buff.
Reegar is noob friendly and OP? Are you high? The very things that make it work and its drawbacks make that statement contradict reality. I mean, contradict so hard that the universe facepalms at the mere thought of it. What noob have you seen that can charge into a mob of enemies, especially on gold, and come out safely and do it again for 10 more waves? What noob can handle such a short clip and amount of ammo? Christ the stupid things people say sometimes.
Immortal Strife wrote...
I find the Krysae and the Reager to be rather rediculous and I don't use either except on rare occasions.
There's nothing ridiculous about the Reegar.
Modifié par Kenadian, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:15 .





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