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[Roamingmachine]

Mass Effect 2 lost the reaper plot so badly that that by the time ME3 was on the drawing board i can just imagine Harbinger jumping up and down behind the BW writing team, flailing its tentacles about and yelling "Hey! What about us?!" while the writers were busy writing another episode of Jersey Shore in spaaaaace.

[Kel Riever]

Well, ME2 lost the Reaper plot, but it certainly could have been saved in ME3. In fact it was...right up until the point that the little boy made of lights shows up and starts talking.....

[tomcplotts]

DeathWingKingUltimate wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...As a shooter fan I can only grasp the ME3 version of the reapers. I already had problems with the "So be it!" line. Sorry.

hey AFW


long time no see

ha ... Failed. I'm scared to play DA3 when it comes out. really ...

you are so going to love playing mp maps with ten morrigans!

[Armass81]

But some of you wanted the reapers explained , didnt you? You wanted an explanation to everything rather than, you know, speculation?

So if they remain mystery, you cry. If they are explained, you still cry? What could have possibly satisfied all of the fans?

Modifié par Armass81, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:19 .

[SNascimento]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

You're messing with mah artistic integritah!!!!

Perhaps Drew would have succeeded where Mac and the gang couldn't...

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Like he succeded with Revan?

[Roamingmachine]

Kel Riever wrote...

Well, ME2 lost the Reaper plot, but it certainly could have been saved in ME3. In fact it was...right up until the point that the little boy made of lights shows up and starts talking.....

That kind points a big blinking neon sign to the conclusion that they didn't actually have a clue what the reapers were about, other than invading the galaxy to kick down everyones sandcastles ever 50k years like some cybernetic bully.Because of this they just made Casey Hudson drink illicit substances so he could pull something out of his arse for the ending.

Later they discovered that what Casey actually drank was just plain old water.

[Blueprotoss]

DeathWingKingUltimate wrote...

You established reapers as a cruel, cunning, destructive most feared threat the galaxy has ever known through ME1 and ME2 and then changed them to a simple controlled robots who can't even make a logic decision about war and battle. Sovereign was a conspirator who spend a millenia looking and gathering allies to assault the citadel. Harbinger was a sick and cunning reaper leader and scientist who again worked in shadows to build a Human Reaper to whatever goal he had in mind that absolutly doesn't matter anymore that both ME1 and ME2 are now pointless as ever.    

Yet you forget that Harbinger isn't the leader of the Reapers while the Catalyst is that leader.

[Ticonderoga117]

Armass81 wrote...

But some of you wanted the reapers explained , didnt you? You wanted an explanation to everything rather than, you know, speculation?

So if they remain mystery, you cry. If they are explained, you still cry? What could have possibly satisfied all of the fans?

Not making them tools of a genocidal AI that takes the form of a kid.

[Armass81]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

But some of you wanted the reapers explained , didnt you? You wanted an explanation to everything rather than, you know, speculation?

So if they remain mystery, you cry. If they are explained, you still cry? What could have possibly satisfied all of the fans?

Not making them tools of a genocidal AI that takes the form of a kid.

But any other reason still wouldnt be "beyond our comprehension", so they would contradict what the reapers said also. Unless the catalyst somehow just makes all the reapers dodge the question, when asked about it, or all the reapers just decide to dodge it themselves.

Besides they are ultimately machines. "we have no beginning or end" was BS, and i knew it the first time I heard it. Machines have to be build, they are not born out of nowhere. Lovecraftian horrorr that you cant comprehend doesnt work well with machine origins. It was most likely the Nazara race's collective minds gloating of their state of being eternal now, inside the reaper.

Modifié par Armass81, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:32 .

[Ztrobos]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

But some of you wanted the reapers explained , didnt you? You wanted an explanation to everything rather than, you know, speculation?

So if they remain mystery, you cry. If they are explained, you still cry? What could have possibly satisfied all of the fans?

Not making them tools of a genocidal AI that takes the form of a kid.

But they always WHERE the tools of a ganocidal AI. Did'nt you see it?

Sovereign's manifesto, that "we have no beginning" nonsense, the human reaper.. It's a crazy machine, I don't know why noone notice that.

[Ticonderoga117]

Armass81 wrote...
But any other reason still wouldnt be "beyond our comprehension", so they would contradict what the reapers said also. Unless the catalyst somehow just makes all the reapers dodge the question, when asked about it, or all the reapers just decide to dodge it themselves.

Besides they are ultimately machines. "we have no beginning or end" was BS, and i knew it the first time I saw it. Machines have to be build, they are not born out of nowhere. Lovecraftian horrorr that you cant comprehend doesnt work well with machine origins. It was most likely the Nazara race's collective minds gloating of their state of being eternal now, inside the reaper.

Then don't bother explaining thier motivation, or keep it to the Dark Energy thing.

I'll take Soveriegn's information over GlowBoy's anyday.

Ztrobos wrote...
But they always WHERE the tools of a ganocidal AI. Did'nt you see it?

Sovereign's
manifesto, that "we have no beginning" nonsense, the human reaper..
It's a crazy machine, I don't know why noone notice that.

No, because it's stupid. Suddenly the horrors killing us are doing it because someone else commands them? Fan-tastic, way to kill the bad guys from being interesting.

[Thore2k10]

Armass81 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

But some of you wanted the reapers explained , didnt you? You wanted an explanation to everything rather than, you know, speculation?

So if they remain mystery, you cry. If they are explained, you still cry? What could have possibly satisfied all of the fans?

Not making them tools of a genocidal AI that takes the form of a kid.

But any other reason still wouldnt be "beyond our comprehension", so they would contradict what the reapers said also. Unless the catalyst somehow just makes all the reapers dodge the question, when asked about it, or all the reapers just decide to dodge it themselves.

Besides they are ultimately machines. "we have no beginning or end" was BS, and i knew it the first time I heard it. Machines have to be build, they are not born out of nowhere. Lovecraftian horrorr that you cant comprehend doesnt work well with machine origins. It was most likely the Nazara race's collective minds gloating of their state of being eternal now, inside the reaper.

you dont need a complex motivation for the reapers. their role as the main villain doesnt need that!

i was completely satisfied with what sovereign said in ME1 and Harbinger in ME2. made them unknowable and intimidating. way better than being huge spacekid toys...

[Armass81]

Yeah the dark energy thing would have been so much better wouldnt it... hahahaha. Suddenly the horrors killing us are the good guys and wanted to save the universe all along, Well of course! Why didnt they just say so...? Well its not a thing you can comprehend.

Oh and all the things you did during the 3 games, they dont matter at all. Heres 2 grim endings for you. Hope you enjoyed the trilogy, bye!

Modifié par Armass81, 09 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

SNascimento wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

You're messing with mah artistic integritah!!!!

Perhaps Drew would have succeeded where Mac and the gang couldn't...

.
Like he succeded with Revan?

I haven't read that one so I can't say anything about it.... But I have read ME: Revelation, Ascension and Retribution and they are pretty solid.

[memorysquid]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...
But any other reason still wouldnt be "beyond our comprehension", so they would contradict what the reapers said also. Unless the catalyst somehow just makes all the reapers dodge the question, when asked about it, or all the reapers just decide to dodge it themselves.

Besides they are ultimately machines. "we have no beginning or end" was BS, and i knew it the first time I saw it. Machines have to be build, they are not born out of nowhere. Lovecraftian horrorr that you cant comprehend doesnt work well with machine origins. It was most likely the Nazara race's collective minds gloating of their state of being eternal now, inside the reaper.

Then don't bother explaining thier motivation, or keep it to the Dark Energy thing.

I'll take Soveriegn's information over GlowBoy's anyday.

Ztrobos wrote...
But they always WHERE the tools of a ganocidal AI. Did'nt you see it?

Sovereign's
manifesto, that "we have no beginning" nonsense, the human reaper..
It's a crazy machine, I don't know why noone notice that.

No, because it's stupid. Suddenly the horrors killing us are doing it because someone else commands them? Fan-tastic, way to kill the bad guys from being interesting.

It doesn't kill the bad guys from being interesting more than being bad guys.  The Reapers aren't bad they're controlled and controlled by a shackled AI that is trying its flawed best to prevent total apocalypse.  The theme is that wars are often started over misunderstanding and miscommunication.  Which really isn't a bad theme.  It's nice when villians are "the other" and can be safely destroyed without thinking about their motives but not very realistic.

[Thore2k10]

just "stop the reapers" would have been better... no dark energy, no forced synth.-org. conflict, no space kid!

just "stop the reapers", with big battle Harbinger vs. Normandy, crucible weakening the reapers so you can see your war assets and crew members from all three games in action... you know suicide mission deluxe so to say

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Thore2k10 wrote...

just "stop the reapers" would have been better... no dark energy, no forced synth.-org. conflict, no space kid!

just "stop the reapers", with big battle Harbinger vs. Normandy, crucible weakening the reapers so you can see your war assets and crew members from all three games in action... you know suicide mission deluxe so to say

That would have been too good  and epic....

[Krunjar]

ElectricZ wrote...

Sarevok Synder wrote...

N-Noooo

Came here to post this. Leaving satisfied.

Except all the reaper would have to do to win that argument is to anwer ... Yes. You know I could make a video where I make random quotes from mass effect seem to back up my argument. It's just I have better things to do.

[Ztrobos]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...
But any other reason still wouldnt be "beyond our comprehension", so they would contradict what the reapers said also. Unless the catalyst somehow just makes all the reapers dodge the question, when asked about it, or all the reapers just decide to dodge it themselves.

Besides they are ultimately machines. "we have no beginning or end" was BS, and i knew it the first time I saw it. Machines have to be build, they are not born out of nowhere. Lovecraftian horrorr that you cant comprehend doesnt work well with machine origins. It was most likely the Nazara race's collective minds gloating of their state of being eternal now, inside the reaper.

Then don't bother explaining thier motivation, or keep it to the Dark Energy thing.

I'll take Soveriegn's information over GlowBoy's anyday.

Ztrobos wrote...
But they always WHERE the tools of a ganocidal AI. Did'nt you see it?

Sovereign's
manifesto, that "we have no beginning" nonsense, the human reaper..
It's a crazy machine, I don't know why noone notice that.

No, because it's stupid. Suddenly the horrors killing us are doing it because someone else commands them? Fan-tastic, way to kill the bad guys from being interesting.

Well what did you honestly expect? Sovereign is OBVIUSLY deluded. The reapers are machines, not gods. They're either designed to kill organics in this way, or they're malfunctioning. I honestly wondered if I could fix the reapers by repairing a circuit board, and if they then would return to their original duties.

[Ticonderoga117]

memorysquid wrote...
It doesn't kill the bad guys from being interesting more than being bad guys.  The Reapers aren't bad they're controlled and controlled by a shackled AI that is trying its flawed best to prevent total apocalypse.

Just stop there and read that.
The bad guys for two games, suddenly, in the last 10 minutes, become that.
They are bad. They kill trillions over a "maybe". Just because GlowBoy advoids that point like the plague, doesn't make it right or sensical, especially since he's "more than an AI."

[Ticonderoga117]

Ztrobos wrote...
Well what did you honestly expect? Sovereign is OBVIUSLY deluded. The reapers are machines, not gods. They're either designed to kill organics in this way, or they're malfunctioning. I honestly wondered if I could fix the reapers by repairing a circuit board, and if they then would return to their original duties.

Obviously deluded? No.
He wasn't on Virmire, twirling his evil mustache, going "Muahahahaha, I shall show them!"

[memorysquid]

Thore2k10 wrote...

just "stop the reapers" would have been better... no dark energy, no forced synth.-org. conflict, no space kid!

just "stop the reapers", with big battle Harbinger vs. Normandy, crucible weakening the reapers so you can see your war assets and crew members from all three games in action... you know suicide mission deluxe so to say

It wouldn't have been Mass Effect then.  Read about Drew Karpyshyn's ideas for the ending.  The plan was always for the player to face incredibly tough moral decisions.

[Renmiri1]

Using my dusty Marketing MBA diploma I can tell you exactly what went wrong: Bioware decided to cut costs

When Bioware was independent they could afford the luxury of being all things for all people and having hundreds of different dialog lines depending on player choices. Now at a big company they were probably told to cut it in half. To cut squad mates, to cut the "middle of the road" prompt on the dialog wheel and to cut the exploration / sidequests. And to put all those free resources into making some MP cash cow goodness.

So ME went from a game based on players choices that accommodated hundreds of different play styles to a game that accommodates the customer that pays pay to win games on multiplayer. All the other customers are being told to get a life and stop bothering them.

EA / Bioware is now just too big to be able to afford making games tailored at persons.. They make games for the multiplayer market. We players who love the opportunity to personalize a game journey and tailor it to our tastes are SOL.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:03 .

[Ztrobos]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ztrobos wrote...
Well what did you honestly expect? Sovereign is OBVIUSLY deluded. The reapers are machines, not gods. They're either designed to kill organics in this way, or they're malfunctioning. I honestly wondered if I could fix the reapers by repairing a circuit board, and if they then would return to their original duties.

Obviously deluded? No.
He wasn't on Virmire, twirling his evil mustache, going "Muahahahaha, I shall show them!"

No, he was going "we will darken the skies of every world, we have no beginning, no-one made me, Im a real boy!" and so on.

[Thore2k10]

memorysquid wrote...

Thore2k10 wrote...

just "stop the reapers" would have been better... no dark energy, no forced synth.-org. conflict, no space kid!

just "stop the reapers", with big battle Harbinger vs. Normandy, crucible weakening the reapers so you can see your war assets and crew members from all three games in action... you know suicide mission deluxe so to say

It wouldn't have been Mass Effect then.  Read about Drew Karpyshyn's ideas for the ending.  The plan was always for the player to face incredibly tough moral decisions.

maybe, but what we got was a choice between 3 endings which are all bad... theres no tough moral choice there. choose between genocide, becoming a dictator or forcing a "DNA change" on every being... (sry, dont know how to write that more clear in english)

not one of these makes you feel like youve won that game or that you needed to make a tough moral choice...