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[TheMarshal]

Baronesa wrote...

In my personal opinion, all squadmate romances options should have been open for both genders. More options is good.

Yes and no.  While I think all available romance options should be available to both sexes, I don't necessarily agree that more is better.  I think they made a HUGE mistake in ME2 by introducing ten new characters, adding six romances on top of the three which were already available.  It was inevitable that the quality of some would suffer.  I mean, look at how Thanemancers were treated.  Or Jacobmancers!  I mean come one...  The one black guy on your squad and he has daddy issues and leaves you to knock up another woman?  And you barely get anything in ME3 if you romanced Jack or Miranda, which is still a lot more than you got in ME2 if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley.

Someone jokingly said earlier that DA2 didn't get anything right, but I would argue that they certainly hit the right # of romances, which all seemed to be equally fleshed out and available to any Hawke.  Plus, there was the added benefit of the romance being different if you romanced them as a friend or as a rival (never actually had this play out in my game, though).

[SilentNukee]

TheMarshal wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

In my personal opinion, all squadmate romances options should have been open for both genders. More options is good.

Yes and no.  While I think all available romance options should be available to both sexes, I don't necessarily agree that more is better.  I think they made a HUGE mistake in ME2 by introducing ten new characters, adding six romances on top of the three which were already available.  It was inevitable that the quality of some would suffer.  I mean, look at how Thanemancers were treated.  Or Jacobmancers!  I mean come one...  The one black guy on your squad and he has daddy issues and leaves you to knock up another woman?  And you barely get anything in ME3 if you romanced Jack or Miranda, which is still a lot more than you got in ME2 if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley.

Someone jokingly said earlier that DA2 didn't get anything right, but I would argue that they certainly hit the right # of romances, which all seemed to be equally fleshed out and available to any Hawke.  Plus, there was the added benefit of the romance being different if you romanced them as a friend or as a rival (never actually had this play out in my game, though).

This.

[Seboist]

What people need to get over is using a substandard gears clone for their romance and sexual fulfillment fantasies.

[Chun Hei]

SilentNukee wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

In my personal opinion, all squadmate romances options should have been open for both genders. More options is good.

Yes and no.  While I think all available romance options should be available to both sexes, I don't necessarily agree that more is better.  I think they made a HUGE mistake in ME2 by introducing ten new characters, adding six romances on top of the three which were already available.  It was inevitable that the quality of some would suffer.  I mean, look at how Thanemancers were treated.  Or Jacobmancers!  I mean come one...  The one black guy on your squad and he has daddy issues and leaves you to knock up another woman?  And you barely get anything in ME3 if you romanced Jack or Miranda, which is still a lot more than you got in ME2 if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley.

Someone jokingly said earlier that DA2 didn't get anything right, but I would argue that they certainly hit the right # of romances, which all seemed to be equally fleshed out and available to any Hawke.  Plus, there was the added benefit of the romance being different if you romanced them as a friend or as a rival (never actually had this play out in my game, though).

This.

Yep.

[Chun Hei]

franciscoamell wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Funny how a thread asking less homophobia only brings more. Romances are such a small part of the games, and yet, it's the msot debated thing! Maybe that's why so few games even have a romance option. You guys should play Harvest Moon.

The thread title is pretty confrontational but this topic does get hot all on its own very easily.

Romances are debated on the BSN because they are a Bioware staple and still comparatively rare in gaming.

And what else is going to be debated on a romance thread except... romances?

I don't see any problem at all with romance discussion. I even like participating occasionally, I just find it funny that even though these games are filled with so much story, content and gameplay, most of the fans' greatest concerns is who they have sex with in the game. It's a very small part of the game, and if it's the sole reason you play Mass Effect, you should check out games with a bigger emphasis on romantic plots.

What BSN really needs is for someone to start a discussion on the ME3 endings or EDI's romance with Joker...

[xAmilli0n]

Doesn't look like this thread is dieing down, so I guess I'll chime in.

I have no issues with the all bi character to give options for everyone. My only concern would be that character development might suffer, but if it is done well, it could be affective.

However, I really love the fact that MaleShep can be turned down by Samantha in ME3. It adds a lot to her character I think. Because of that, I tend to lean towards characters that are already certain orientation, but you can only find out through interactions, and if you didn't pay attention, you get a nice awkward moment lol.

As for Ashley (which has come up a lot), I always imagined her as being straight, would of been fine if she was bi, I'm sure FemShep wouldn't mind.

Modifié par xAmilli0n, 12 juillet 2012 - 10:12 .

[Chun Hei]

xAmilli0n wrote...

Doesn't look like this thread is dieing down, so I guess I'll chime in.

I have no issues with the all bi character to give options for everyone. My only concern would be that character development might suffer, but if it is done well, it could be affective.

However, I really love the fact that MaleShep can be turned down by Samantha in ME3. It adds a lot to her character I think. Because of that, I tend to lean towards characters that are already certain orientation, but you can only find out through interactions, and if you didn't pay attention, you get a nice awkward moment lol.

As for Ashley (which has come up a lot), I always imagined her as being straight, would of been if she was bi, I'm sure FemShep wouldn't mind.

Samara is bisexual and she turns Shepard down just as Aveline falls in love with another character besides the hero in DA2. Even in the dreaded "all bi" DA2 making the LIs "herosexual" did NOT make everyone come on to you. I am not sure why people assume that bisexuals are in permanently in heat.

[xAmilli0n]

Chun Hei wrote...

xAmilli0n wrote...

Doesn't look like this thread is dieing down, so I guess I'll chime in.

I have no issues with the all bi character to give options for everyone. My only concern would be that character development might suffer, but if it is done well, it could be affective.

However, I really love the fact that MaleShep can be turned down by Samantha in ME3. It adds a lot to her character I think. Because of that, I tend to lean towards characters that are already certain orientation, but you can only find out through interactions, and if you didn't pay attention, you get a nice awkward moment lol.

As for Ashley (which has come up a lot), I always imagined her as being straight, would of been if she was bi, I'm sure FemShep wouldn't mind.

Samara is bisexual and she turns Shepard down just as Aveline falls in love with another character besides the hero in DA2. Even in the dreaded "all bi" DA2 making the LIs "herosexual" did NOT make everyone come on to you. I am not sure why people assume that bisexuals are in permanently in heat.

I assume no such thing, and I hadn't thought about Samara.  My only comment on her is that being Asari, they are very open with relationships of any pretty much any gender or species.  But the fact that she turns down both Sheps is also nice touch.  I guess, in game, you can't really have a hero-sexual chacter that turns down only one gender.  Now, an openly bi character that turns down a specific gender could be interesting.

Didn't play DA2, so can't comment on how well or poorly that was executed.

[hoorayforicecream]

TheMarshal wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

In my personal opinion, all squadmate romances options should have been open for both genders. More options is good.

Yes and no.  While I think all available romance options should be available to both sexes, I don't necessarily agree that more is better.  I think they made a HUGE mistake in ME2 by introducing ten new characters, adding six romances on top of the three which were already available.  It was inevitable that the quality of some would suffer.  I mean, look at how Thanemancers were treated.  Or Jacobmancers!  I mean come one...  The one black guy on your squad and he has daddy issues and leaves you to knock up another woman?  And you barely get anything in ME3 if you romanced Jack or Miranda, which is still a lot more than you got in ME2 if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley.

Someone jokingly said earlier that DA2 didn't get anything right, but I would argue that they certainly hit the right # of romances, which all seemed to be equally fleshed out and available to any Hawke.  Plus, there was the added benefit of the romance being different if you romanced them as a friend or as a rival (never actually had this play out in my game, though).

I like the cut of your jib. I definitely thought that the breadth of the cast in ME2 caused the depth to suffer, romantically and otherwise.

[The Heretic of Time]

MACharlie1 wrote...



Reposting. Pay attention people. This is realistic sexuality. Not this black and white bull I keep seeing. There is no reason why Ashley couldn't be a 1 or 2.

LOL and how is this "realistic"? Care to show some scientific evidence to back this up?

[DevilBeast]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Funny how a thread asking less homophobia only brings more. Romances are such a small part of the games, and yet, it's the msot debated thing! Maybe that's why so few games even have a romance option. You guys should play Harvest Moon.

Its also funny how the word "homophobia" can be used so casually. These days everyone is being called a homophobic.

In the words of Daffyd: HOMOPHOBE!

[TheMarshal]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...



Reposting. Pay attention people. This is realistic sexuality. Not this black and white bull I keep seeing. There is no reason why Ashley couldn't be a 1 or 2.

LOL and how is this "realistic"? Care to show some scientific evidence to back this up?

Sure.  Google: "Alfred Kinsey"

[DevilBeast]

Chun Hei wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Funny how a thread asking less homophobia only brings more. Romances are such a small part of the games, and yet, it's the msot debated thing! Maybe that's why so few games even have a romance option. You guys should play Harvest Moon.

The thread title is pretty confrontational but this topic does get hot all on its own very easily.

Romances are debated on the BSN because they are a Bioware staple and still comparatively rare in gaming.

And what else is going to be debated on a romance thread except... romances?

I don't see any problem at all with romance discussion. I even like participating occasionally, I just find it funny that even though these games are filled with so much story, content and gameplay, most of the fans' greatest concerns is who they have sex with in the game. It's a very small part of the game, and if it's the sole reason you play Mass Effect, you should check out games with a bigger emphasis on romantic plots.

What BSN really needs is for someone to start a discussion on the ME3 endings or EDI's romance with Joker...

I take it you haven´t seen the sudden influx of EDI hate threads (some of them are made by only one user, but still).

[TheMarshal]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I like the cut of your jib. I definitely thought that the breadth of the cast in ME2 caused the depth to suffer, romantically and otherwise.

And if you're the same hoorayforicecream who does "Snacking" then I want to give you a high-five or a hug or a pen and something to sign.  

[DevilBeast]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

Baronesa wrote...

In my personal opinion, all squadmate romances options should have been open for both genders. More options is good.

Yes and no.  While I think all available romance options should be available to both sexes, I don't necessarily agree that more is better.  I think they made a HUGE mistake in ME2 by introducing ten new characters, adding six romances on top of the three which were already available.  It was inevitable that the quality of some would suffer.  I mean, look at how Thanemancers were treated.  Or Jacobmancers!  I mean come one...  The one black guy on your squad and he has daddy issues and leaves you to knock up another woman?  And you barely get anything in ME3 if you romanced Jack or Miranda, which is still a lot more than you got in ME2 if you romanced Kaidan or Ashley.

Someone jokingly said earlier that DA2 didn't get anything right, but I would argue that they certainly hit the right # of romances, which all seemed to be equally fleshed out and available to any Hawke.  Plus, there was the added benefit of the romance being different if you romanced them as a friend or as a rival (never actually had this play out in my game, though).

I like the cut of your jib. I definitely thought that the breadth of the cast in ME2 caused the depth to suffer, romantically and otherwise.

Didn´t the devs. at BW say something prior to the release of ME3 that they wanted a smaller squad in the game due to the same reasons you have written??

[Chun Hei]

DevilBeast wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

franciscoamell wrote...

Funny how a thread asking less homophobia only brings more. Romances are such a small part of the games, and yet, it's the msot debated thing! Maybe that's why so few games even have a romance option. You guys should play Harvest Moon.

The thread title is pretty confrontational but this topic does get hot all on its own very easily.

Romances are debated on the BSN because they are a Bioware staple and still comparatively rare in gaming.

And what else is going to be debated on a romance thread except... romances?

I don't see any problem at all with romance discussion. I even like participating occasionally, I just find it funny that even though these games are filled with so much story, content and gameplay, most of the fans' greatest concerns is who they have sex with in the game. It's a very small part of the game, and if it's the sole reason you play Mass Effect, you should check out games with a bigger emphasis on romantic plots.

What BSN really needs is for someone to start a discussion on the ME3 endings or EDI's romance with Joker...

I take it you haven´t seen the sudden influx of EDI hate threads (some of them are made by only one user, but still).

I have seen. Sadly.

[jlb524]

Aeowyn wrote...
Because again, appearance has nothing to do with sexuality.

Um...what?

I'm not saying it does.

Aeowyn wrote... 
A woman who gets to know a guy (or girl) they don't feel attracted to straight away can still end up dating that person because they find their personality attractive (unless the woman is a teenager or just incredibly shallow).

That's not always the case...sometimes appearance is an insurmountable obstacle.  

There are people I will not date because I just don't find them at all attractive regardless of how great their personality is...fine, I'll just remain friends with them.  And I'm talking about possibly women that most people find hot...they don't do it for me for whatever reason and I have no desire to get into a sexual relationship with them.

I also don't think that makes me shallow.  I also think most people are this way.

Of course, there are exceptions.

But you are arguing that looks are not a factor at all for anyone when determining who they want to hook up with, so it's okay and totally realistic for games like ME3 to remove appearance checks on romances.

Aeowyn wrote...  
Someone who defines themselves as a straight woman do not suddenly start dating other women because they're good-looking or have good personalities (this if ofc subjective). 

That actually does happen sometimes.

OneWomanArmy wrote...
These days everyone is being called a homophobic.

I've never been called a homophobe (or homophobic).

Modifié par jlb524, 12 juillet 2012 - 11:16 .

[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

I've never been called a homophobe (or homophobic).

Me either.

[hoorayforicecream]

DevilBeast wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I like the cut of your jib. I definitely thought that the breadth of the cast in ME2 caused the depth to suffer, romantically and otherwise.

Didn´t the devs. at BW say something prior to the release of ME3 that they wanted a smaller squad in the game due to the same reasons you have written??

They did. It was one of the main reasons the squad was pared down to a maximum of seven (with Javik) and a minimum of three (Vega, EDI, Liara), which definitely brought it back in line with the six squad members available in ME1. The main issue there was that in order to be even remotely close to developing the characters, each one needed a reasonable recruitment mission and loyalty mission, but there was little time left over for any further development. Dragon Age 2 did many things wrong, but at least we got an opportunity to spend three specific quests with each character, in addition to general conversations. I felt that third quest made a huge difference in their characterizations.

TheMarshal wrote...

And if you're the same hoorayforicecream who does "Snacking" then I want to give you a high-five or a hug or a pen and something to sign.  

I am indeed. Your kind words are definitely appreciated.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Because again, appearance has nothing to do with sexuality.

Um...what?

I'm not saying it does.

Aeowyn wrote... 
A woman who gets to know a guy (or girl) they don't feel attracted to straight away can still end up dating that person because they find their personality attractive (unless the woman is a teenager or just incredibly shallow).

That's not always the case...sometimes appearance is an insurmountable obstacle.  

There are people I will not date because I just don't find them at all attractive regardless of how great their personality is...fine, I'll just remain friends with them.

I also don't think that makes me shallow.  I also think most people are this way.

Of course, there are exceptions.

But you are arguing that looks are not a factor at all for anyone when determining who they want to hook up with, so it's okay and totally realistic for games like ME3 to remove appearance checks on romances.

The flipside is true, too.  There are some women who I think are incredibly attractive physically, but I couldn't stand to be in the same room as them because their personalities bother me so much.

[jlb524]

TheMarshal wrote...

The flipside is true, too.  There are some women who I think are incredibly attractive physically, but I couldn't stand to be in the same room as them because their personalities bother me so much.

Yeah, the 'real life' dating scene is very complex and dangerous and evil.

Until BW games start mimicking the horror that is trying to find a romantic partner to a 'T', crying about "unrealistic" amounts of bisexual options is ridiculous.

[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, the 'real life' dating scene is very complex and dangerous and evil.

Until BW games start mimicking the horror that is trying to find a romantic partner to a 'T', crying about "unrealistic" amounts of bisexual options is ridiculous.

*Several awkward hours in the Mass Effect disco later*

Shepard: Uh... so... do you come here often?

Jacob: It's a heavy risk... but the priiiiiize!