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[Kyuhyun]

Why is everyone complaining that this thread got made. There are still a lot of (guys mostly) people that are homophobic and complain about the gay romance in the games. And the fact that users here make threads saying how stupid they think homophobia is etc. shouldn't make you guys upset for christs sake it should make you glad that this community isn't full of close minded ignorant bigots.

[nos_astra]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

This is a really long discussion so I am going to keep it short but since you couldn't romance him as a male shep in me1 and me2 one must assume he was straight and there for as you say it is irrelevant what was planned ahead.

So everyone who's not romanceable is therefore established as asexual, right? ;-)

Modifié par klarabella, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:07 .

[LiarasShield]

klarabella wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

This is a really long discussion so I am going to keep it short but since you couldn't romance him as a male shep in me1 and me2 one must assume he was straight and there for as you say it is irrelevant what was planned ahead.

So everyone who's not romanceable is therefore established as asexual, right? ;-)

whats the term if you have no sexual drive for either gender I forgot the name of it

[Kyuhyun]

LiarasShield wrote...

klarabella wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

This is a really long discussion so I am going to keep it short but since you couldn't romance him as a male shep in me1 and me2 one must assume he was straight and there for as you say it is irrelevant what was planned ahead.

So everyone who's not romanceable is therefore established as asexual, right? ;-)

whats the term if you have no sexual drive for either gender I forgot the name of it

Asexual...

[Binary_Helix 1]

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

Why? Because he was sensitive? I hate how anytime a guy is like that he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:17 .

[LiarasShield]

well that or their too focused in the war

[Xilizhra]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

Why? Because he was sensitive? I hate how anytime a guy is like that he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

Why are either of those bad? In any case, it was because there were no gay options for male Shepard at all in ME1 or 2.

[nos_astra]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

Why? Because he was sensitive? I hate how anytime a guy is like that he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

Kaidan was especially sensitive? I thought, he was just surprisingly normal.

Also, he was the most logical choice. You can import or start a romance with him in ME3 as a female (unlike with Garrus who is restricted), lot's of dialogue to reuse for the male romance version.

Modifié par klarabella, 09 juillet 2012 - 04:27 .

[DevilBeast]

Fauxnormal wrote...

...Learn what a ****ing sentence is.

IF there were any threads still about this, THEN your inane blabber would be both welcome and appropriate. As it stands, NO ONE has made a thread or post about this EXCEPT YOU. Frankly, this is every bit as annoying if not more so then anyone complaining about gay!Shep.

Maybe there are one or two youtube trolls watching these vids and complaining. Take your ranting and huffing and puffing there.

For some reason you seem alot more sour about this than OP.

[DevilBeast]

Anyway, as for the subject of this thread:
I do remember some complaining about being "forced" into a romance with either Cortez or Traynor just because you were being nice towards them. But since that complaint can be used on the straight romances too (which it has), I don´t think it´s necerssarily homphobic.
But that was some time ago, and even back then it was rather sporadic, so I don´t think it´s as prevalent as you might think it is LiarasShield.

[DevilBeast]

LiarasShield wrote...

Also a samara romance for either shepard would've been cool

Heh, considering Samara´s species it owuld be strange if she was only romanceable for dudeShep:lol:

[Rinji the Bearded]

DevilBeast wrote...

Anyway, as for the subject of this thread:
I do remember some complaining about being "forced" into a romance with either Cortez or Traynor just because you were being nice towards them. But since that complaint can be used on the straight romances too (which it has), I don´t think it´s necerssarily homphobic.
But that was some time ago, and even back then it was rather sporadic, so I don´t think it´s as prevalent as you might think it is LiarasShield.

I'm not sure how people were "forced" into a relationship with Cortez or Traynor.  They both had obvious dialogue choices that would lead to a relationship.  Heck, Kaidan and Cortez both have dialogue that basically amounts to a "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS" question.  Anyone claiming that they were somehow railroaded into a romance with anyone of the same gender in ME3 is either blind or illiterate.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh it's just that you make it sound like he was made to be bi from the beginning just because he didn't plain out announce "I am straight", or did I misunderstand you?

In-universe, what he was planned to be is irrelevant. As a person, he was always bisexual, he just didn't initially show it.

Why? Because he was sensitive? I hate how anytime a guy is like that he's made out to be gay or bisexual.

Uh... when did his sensitivity get brought up in this discussion?  I think you're the one that made the assumption...

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:30 .

[krukow]

RinjiRenee wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Anyway, as for the subject of this thread:
I do remember some complaining about being "forced" into a romance with either Cortez or Traynor just because you were being nice towards them. But since that complaint can be used on the straight romances too (which it has), I don´t think it´s necerssarily homphobic.
But that was some time ago, and even back then it was rather sporadic, so I don´t think it´s as prevalent as you might think it is LiarasShield.

I'm not sure how people were "forced" into a relationship with Cortez or Traynor.  They both had obvious dialogue choices that would lead to a relationship.  Heck, Kaidan and Cortez both have dialogue that basically amounts to a "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS" question.  Anyone claiming that they were somehow railroaded into a romance with anyone of the same gender in ME3 is either blind or illiterate.

Just tell Cortez you'll be lookin at the ladies, cuz you're no sissy boy.

(sarchasm)

Seriously, it is pretty hard to get ninja'd into a relationship with them.  If you're really worried about it, just hold off till you've locked in the relationship you want.  Besides, the ship watching convo w/cortez is a nice scene.

[Rinji the Bearded]

krukow wrote...


Just tell Cortez you'll be lookin at the ladies, cuz you're no sissy boy.

(sarchasm)

Seriously, it is pretty hard to get ninja'd into a relationship with them.  If you're really worried about it, just hold off till you've locked in the relationship you want.  Besides, the ship watching convo w/cortez is a nice scene.

You know what's actually funny about the Cortez scene is that Stepard is somewhat railroaded into hitting on him if you want to roleplay as a gay Shepard, even if your Shepard is in a relationship with Kaidan.  After he talks about the eye candy, Shepard can either say that he's into the ladies, or that he's eye candy, too.  To that, Cortez says "well you're already with Kaidan" basically.

I didn't have much complaint there, I just wouldn't have minded a third way out of that convo, lol.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .

[Forbry]

DevilBeast wrote...

Anyway, as for the subject of this thread:
I do remember some complaining about being "forced" into a romance with either Cortez or Traynor just because you were being nice towards them. But since that complaint can be used on the straight romances too (which it has), I don´t think it´s necerssarily homphobic.
But that was some time ago, and even back then it was rather sporadic, so I don´t think it´s as prevalent as you might think it is LiarasShield.

I didn't even invite Kelly for diner, because I was scared it could/would mean it became a romance... (still don't know what happens when you do that, apart from the fact she apparently will take care of your fish, which I would have liked ).
Femshep flirted with Jacob from the get go. Therefore, I barely dared to communicate with him at all...

Modifié par Forbry, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:38 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Does the male shep also get the line "are you flirting with me commander" from kaidan at the hospital as the fem shep does? Cause if he does then maybe that would feel uncomfortable.

Yup, if you ask him about his biotics. 

I really think that Bioware might have assumed that most Male Sheps who had kept Kaidan from ME1 or chose him as the VS in the ME3 CC (which according to some Bioware devs, wasn't that many) were probably already somewhat interested in him.  It is kind of a bad generalization, but eh... I'm not about to complain, especially when Femshep and Manshep are already both flirted with by many of the opposite gender.  According to Mac Walters, any homophobia and such is gone in the future, so if Kaidan were to suddenly flirt with Manshep, we have to understand that their culture is different and that they may not have the reservations like some people in present reality do.  Shepard can politely turn him down later, or just lock in another romance before the Citadel date scene.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 09 juillet 2012 - 05:53 .

[Xilizhra]

Kaidan's gay fanbase is much more substantial than Garrus'.

[krukow]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Does the male shep also get the line "are you flirting with me commander" from kaidan at the hospital as the fem shep does? Cause if he does then maybe that would feel uncomfortable.

Yup, if you ask him about his biotics. 

I really think that Bioware might have assumed that most Male Sheps who had kept Kaidan from ME1 or chose him as the VS in the ME3 CC (which according to some Bioware devs, wasn't that many) were probably already somewhat interested in him.  It is kind of a bad generalization, but eh... I'm not about to complain, especially when Femshep and Manshep are already both flirted with by many of the opposite gender.  According to Mac Walters, any homophobia and such is gone in the future, so if Kaidan were to suddenly flirt with Manshep, we have to understand that their culture is different and that they may not have the reservations like some people in present reality do.

Maybe but I can understand why some men might feel uncomfortable with that line suddenly coming out of nowhere. And if Mac Walters feels that way then why didn't he turn Garrus bi? I think they turned Kaidan because of pure profit and because Bioware likes Garrus more, according to there tweets anyway.

How popular was Kaidan pre-ME3?  If he was one of the lesser popular LI's, and I could see that, then they may have just done it to open him up to a new group.  That, or they wanted some bi-dudes to offset all the bi chicks (Kelly, Liara, Allers) and there really aren't that many male choices...

[metalfenix]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Does the male shep also get the line "are you flirting with me commander" from kaidan at the hospital as the fem shep does? Cause if he does then maybe that would feel uncomfortable.

Yep, male shep too,  but only if you bring him the "magic whiskey" XD. If you don't bring it, he doesn't say that.

[Rinji the Bearded]

OneWomanArmy wrote...

Maybe but I can understand why some men might feel uncomfortable with that line suddenly coming out of nowhere. And if Mac Walters feels that way then why didn't he turn Garrus bi? I think they turned Kaidan because of pure profit and because Bioware likes Garrus more, according to there tweets anyway.

My arguments about Garrus and Tali being bisexual were back pre-ME3 and since they are not capable of being romanced to start with in ME3 (ie, you had to have already been in a romance with them to continue a romance), those arguments are now a moot point. He wasn't available to Femshep in ME3 either unless she had already started a romance in ME2.  You couldn't start a new romance.

Why ME didn't do all of this to start with, I'll never know.  But fans of s/s don't get the luxury or going back and enjoying s/s content in previous games.  We got what we got in ME3. 

And I don't think Bioware kept Garrus "straight" because Bioware liked him more... they included Kaidan so gay Mansheps could have more options, and something resembling a trilogy-spanning romance (like femsheps get with Liara), though you do have to squint.  It's all about inclusive options, and all the male LIs in ME3 were available for Manshep.

But don't get me started about Femshep's options.  Sigh.

[Rinji the Bearded]

krukow wrote...

How popular was Kaidan pre-ME3?  If he was one of the lesser popular LI's, and I could see that, then they may have just done it to open him up to a new group.  That, or they wanted some bi-dudes to offset all the bi chicks (Kelly, Liara, Allers) and there really aren't that many male choices...

According to Hudson, he wasn't very popular at all.  Given that most of ME1's players were male, many chose Ashley at Virmire.  BUT there were a lot of vocal fans who loved the heck outta Kaidan (I mean, go look at his character thread now, lots of people), and even some curious people who wondered why Femshep could romance Liara, but Manshep got no such option to be with another guy.   Since Kaidan was the only male LI in ME1, they latched onto him.  He came back in ME3 was made available to Mansheps so they could finally have options.  If I go by what I've seen in the fandom, I think Kaidan was by far more popular for Gaysheps than Cortez was.

Or so I think, anyway.  I'd love to see the numbers on that.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 09 juillet 2012 - 06:04 .