I can hold my own in Silver with the one or two characters of each class I enjoy playing, but have only ever played one Bronze game to promote my Vanguards (the rest of the XP came from cards, I kid you not). And I sucked!
Can someone look at my manifest and suggest a fun/unorthodox Vanguard build I could try my hand at?
Reccomend me a Vanguard build
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KyreneZA
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 01:21
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 01:57
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Not sure if serious?Humming wrote...
Host, then try again
I wasn't glitching at all, if that's what you may have been implying...
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:01
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Kyrene wrote...
Not sure if serious?Humming wrote...
Host, then try again
I wasn't glitching at all, if that's what you may have been implying...
I agree. Host when playing Vanguard.
You might not have glitched YET but, you will if you don't Host.
Beyond that...what race? If Krogan, I agree with the above posted build.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:03
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Glitching isn't the only problem. You're playing a class that is usually play in the red all the time, even small amounts of lag will get you killed.Kyrene wrote...
Not sure if serious?Humming wrote...
Host, then try again
I wasn't glitching at all, if that's what you may have been implying...
If you're playing novaguard set it up to hit two add targets at evo 4 then full shield restore at six. Nova at half blast.
Learn to roll in between novas to give more invinciblity frames. Equip a weapon with low CD.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:04
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Don't forget that most vanguards should be played more like adepts with a shielc recharge/detonation option rather than the human must-nova-everything approach to the class. The phoenix vanguard is probably the best example of that - you know, if you have it.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:09
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Asari Vanguard + Graal.
The procedure is easy. Charge mob, finish with the Graal. Repeat and throw a Lift Grenade from time to time.
Use Stasis as a panic button and for the occasional Phantom encounter.
Well and then there are those moments when you want to charge that almost dead, reaved Brute, spam the charge button, where nothing happens until a Banshee jumps in your line of sight and you charge her instead of that Brute. Seriously, 70% of my deaths as a Vanguard happen because I'm unable to charge. Let's not talk about the other 30%.
The procedure is easy. Charge mob, finish with the Graal. Repeat and throw a Lift Grenade from time to time.
Use Stasis as a panic button and for the occasional Phantom encounter.
InTheZone wrote...
You only glitch when you die-charge. Other than that, Vanguards are awesome
Well and then there are those moments when you want to charge that almost dead, reaved Brute, spam the charge button, where nothing happens until a Banshee jumps in your line of sight and you charge her instead of that Brute. Seriously, 70% of my deaths as a Vanguard happen because I'm unable to charge. Let's not talk about the other 30%.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:12
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You only glitch when you die-charge. Other than that, Vanguards are awesome
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:16
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InTheZone wrote...
You only glitch when you die-charge. Other than that, Vanguards are awesome
Not exactly.
You can glitch just by walking. You can glitch any character really...
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:17
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What I meant: it wasn't glitching that caused me to play badly, so saying I should host is not going to help me play better. I know I should host if I want to BC at all.Beatrix Tair wrote...
Kyrene wrote...
Not sure if serious?Humming wrote...
Host, then try again
I wasn't glitching at all, if that's what you may have been implying...
I agree. Host when playing Vanguard.
You might not have glitched YET but, you will if you don't Host.
Beyond that...what race? If Krogan, I agree with the above posted build.
Anything but Novaguard. I think the match I played was a CerbGuard, but I couldn't seem to get the hang of his other powers either, and I didn't put points in Fitness because of not being 100% sure how the bug works. I admit, it was a throwaway character I happaned to have 19 levels' worth of points for. But I would like to have a serious Vanguard, I enjoy playing, in my roster.
I couldn't make sense of the proposed build (perhaps it's my browser?)
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:20
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Asari Vanguard:
Spend a reset card to get the starting point out of Biotic Charge.
06666 is the build.
Kishock with EB and Capacity upgreade.
Vunerability VI.
Here's a link to that class builder website: http://narida.pytalh...52ANLRRh2@0RA@@
And here's the description stuff:
Stasis: Duration; Recharge; Vunerability (though none of these really matter)
Duration vs Strenth - I pick Duration since if you miss it gives you another chance to shoot. But really it doesn't matter much.
Bonus Power vs Recharge Speed - Again, doesn't matter so much, but Recharge is more reliable.
Bubble vs Vunerability - Matter of preference. I like the extra damage you get from Vunerability for picking off a target... I don't actually know if it's necessary, since I one shot kill Phantoms and it doesn't affect armour. Might be able to do that with Bubble.
Lift Grenade: Damage; Capacity; Damage
Nothing really special here. It already has a massive radius, and the lift effect (and by extension, Slam) are useless on shielded enemies.
Racial Passive: Power and Weight Capacity; Headshot; Weapon damage.
Ranks 5 and 6 should be obvious, but the reason I pick the Weight Capacity is to get a better recharge on Stasis. You will be using that a lot and it takes forever to recharge even at the best of times.
Fitness: All Health and Shields.
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An unorthodox Vanguard build. How you play should be obvious: Stasis completely mitigates the aiming problem with the Kishock allowing you to exploit that Widow level power and shield gate bypassing to kill any non-armoured enemies. The only problem is armour, which it's apparently completely useless against. It's best on Cerberus, not just for the Stasis benefits, but I find that Geth heads have a tendency to ignore Kishock headshots for some reason, and Reapers have loads of armour.
Why do I get rid of Biotic Charge? I don't like the ability very much, and on Gold it often causes more problems than it solves. You're sniping, charging into the front lines is the exact opposite of what you want to do. You also avoid the glitch.
Spend a reset card to get the starting point out of Biotic Charge.
06666 is the build.
Kishock with EB and Capacity upgreade.
Vunerability VI.
Here's a link to that class builder website: http://narida.pytalh...52ANLRRh2@0RA@@
And here's the description stuff:
Stasis: Duration; Recharge; Vunerability (though none of these really matter)
Duration vs Strenth - I pick Duration since if you miss it gives you another chance to shoot. But really it doesn't matter much.
Bonus Power vs Recharge Speed - Again, doesn't matter so much, but Recharge is more reliable.
Bubble vs Vunerability - Matter of preference. I like the extra damage you get from Vunerability for picking off a target... I don't actually know if it's necessary, since I one shot kill Phantoms and it doesn't affect armour. Might be able to do that with Bubble.
Lift Grenade: Damage; Capacity; Damage
Nothing really special here. It already has a massive radius, and the lift effect (and by extension, Slam) are useless on shielded enemies.
Racial Passive: Power and Weight Capacity; Headshot; Weapon damage.
Ranks 5 and 6 should be obvious, but the reason I pick the Weight Capacity is to get a better recharge on Stasis. You will be using that a lot and it takes forever to recharge even at the best of times.
Fitness: All Health and Shields.
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An unorthodox Vanguard build. How you play should be obvious: Stasis completely mitigates the aiming problem with the Kishock allowing you to exploit that Widow level power and shield gate bypassing to kill any non-armoured enemies. The only problem is armour, which it's apparently completely useless against. It's best on Cerberus, not just for the Stasis benefits, but I find that Geth heads have a tendency to ignore Kishock headshots for some reason, and Reapers have loads of armour.
Why do I get rid of Biotic Charge? I don't like the ability very much, and on Gold it often causes more problems than it solves. You're sniping, charging into the front lines is the exact opposite of what you want to do. You also avoid the glitch.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:21
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Mozts wrote...
InTheZone wrote...
You only glitch when you die-charge. Other than that, Vanguards are awesome
Not exactly.
You can glitch just by walking. You can glitch any character really...
lol, you're so silly mozart.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:22
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I've had a lot of trouble getting behind the traditional Vanguard--the high-risk/high-reward, charge-at-all-costs mode of play. So I don't do that. My Vanguards are the Krogan and Phoenix, and they both use a 3/6/6/5/6 array.
The Phoenix Vanguard is a better Adept than the Adept is; my build focuses on keeping cooldowns low and producing biotic explosions. Smash > Lash and Lash > Smash both work, if you're (respectively) close enough or quick enough, but it really shines when you can combo off another biotic. Biotic Charge exists as a way to quickly cross the map, detonate BEs on weak enemies, and quickly recharge your shields in a pinch, but it's never your primary approach to dealing damage.
Also, regardless of BEs, Smash will simply destroy bosses... just don't get sync-killed.
I also run a Krogan Vanguard who subs in for my Soldier when I get sick of Geth stunlock. He essentially trades the Soldier's Inferno Grenades for immunity to stunlock and improved power damage, so it actually makes for a pretty fun Carnage-spam build. I usually go with a Hurricane for CQC, but it doesn't look like you have one; a Talon with a scope and either AP or Extended Barrel mods can be pretty fun, and I still have a soft spot for the Phaeston (Extended Barrel and AP Mods), which is great for setting up Tech, Fire, and Cryo bursts to detonate with Carnage.
Again, Biotic Charge is in this build mostly for getting places quickly and occasionally recharging your shields, but don't try to jump into the middle of a group with it. Just turn on Barrier and go to town with your weapon and Carnage.
The Phoenix Vanguard is a better Adept than the Adept is; my build focuses on keeping cooldowns low and producing biotic explosions. Smash > Lash and Lash > Smash both work, if you're (respectively) close enough or quick enough, but it really shines when you can combo off another biotic. Biotic Charge exists as a way to quickly cross the map, detonate BEs on weak enemies, and quickly recharge your shields in a pinch, but it's never your primary approach to dealing damage.
Also, regardless of BEs, Smash will simply destroy bosses... just don't get sync-killed.
I also run a Krogan Vanguard who subs in for my Soldier when I get sick of Geth stunlock. He essentially trades the Soldier's Inferno Grenades for immunity to stunlock and improved power damage, so it actually makes for a pretty fun Carnage-spam build. I usually go with a Hurricane for CQC, but it doesn't look like you have one; a Talon with a scope and either AP or Extended Barrel mods can be pretty fun, and I still have a soft spot for the Phaeston (Extended Barrel and AP Mods), which is great for setting up Tech, Fire, and Cryo bursts to detonate with Carnage.
Again, Biotic Charge is in this build mostly for getting places quickly and occasionally recharging your shields, but don't try to jump into the middle of a group with it. Just turn on Barrier and go to town with your weapon and Carnage.
Modifié par rmccowen, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:24 .
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:24
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Melee smashguard is awesome:
http://narida.pytalh...54RLAOKS1@0AA@@
Drellguard is tricky with the learning curve, but its a freaking mass murderer:
narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#51QDKIRS1@0AA@@
http://narida.pytalh...54RLAOKS1@0AA@@
Drellguard is tricky with the learning curve, but its a freaking mass murderer:
narida.pytalhost.com/me3/classes/#51QDKIRS1@0AA@@
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Kyrene wrote...
What I meant: it wasn't glitching that caused me to play badly, so saying I should host is not going to help me play better. I know I should host if I want to BC at all.
Well, its a good tip though. Especially if you should choose to use the Graal. As I mentioned, other than flying off the map, there is also the possibility that you won't be able to charge sometimes.
Kyrene wrote...
Anything but Novaguard. I think the match I played was a CerbGuard, but I couldn't seem to get the hang of his other powers either, and I didn't put points in Fitness because of not being 100% sure how the bug works.
There is no bug. I must admit though, sometimes he feels squishier than other Vanguards, but I guess that is just a misperception because people keep telling you fitness is buggy.
Kyrene wrote...
I couldn't make sense of the proposed build (perhaps it's my browser?)
You couldn't make sense of it or you couldn't see it?
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:32
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InTheZone wrote...
Mozts wrote...
InTheZone wrote...
You only glitch when you die-charge. Other than that, Vanguards are awesome
Not exactly.
You can glitch just by walking. You can glitch any character really...
lol, you're so silly mozart.
What do you mean?
Its true. I glitched a Drell adept once. We just call it vanguard glitch because it happens most with vanguards.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:36
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Human Vanguard
6/5/4/6/5
Biotic Charge
R4- Force Damage R5 Power damage R6 Barrier
Shockwave
R4 Radius R5 Distance R6 Recharge ( you can use this instead of R4 nova if needed)
Nova
I do radius but you can choose either, you don't want to be nova-ing often.
Aliance traning
R4 Power and Capacity R5 Power capacity (the weapons you wanna use don't headshot) R6 Weapon damage
Fitness
R4 Health R5 Shield recovery
Use Either the Krysae or Geth Plasma Shotgun, (Can use a revenant/C.harrier also once you get them level X, don't use the harrier before then, as much as everyone uses it, its not that great a gun...)
I always run with Structral Ergonomics 5, since you don't have it, I recommend the armor mod version, to keep your recharge speed down. Use disruptor ammo with the prefered krysae, lands the tech bursting effect much more reliably with sniper rifles. Spam shockwave in key points spawn areas and groups to set off tech burst, always be in cover, Biotic charge a droppable enemy or a enemy close to another cover when you get in a bind, and only when you get in a bind, (don't be a dumb vanguard, only dumb vanguards charge recklessly.) If you get cornerd use your nova then charge either a enemy that a get you out of the corner or just to recharge your shields, avoid instakill enemys like phantoms and banshees, atlus and brutes aren't as bad.
Make sure to use teamwork to win, shoot what you see your buddy shooting to drop the enemies, watch YOU and your buddies back, *this is most important, i can't stress this enough, I've seen entire squads get dropped because everyone wants to shoot a atlus while ignoring the 3 phantoms behind them(EVERYONE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION!! ENEMIES DO SPAWN BEHIND YOU SOMETIMES!)* Set of tech burst/ biotic explosions with your shockwave when you see the opportunity and get full extraction, its usually that easy.
6/5/4/6/5
Biotic Charge
R4- Force Damage R5 Power damage R6 Barrier
Shockwave
R4 Radius R5 Distance R6 Recharge ( you can use this instead of R4 nova if needed)
Nova
I do radius but you can choose either, you don't want to be nova-ing often.
Aliance traning
R4 Power and Capacity R5 Power capacity (the weapons you wanna use don't headshot) R6 Weapon damage
Fitness
R4 Health R5 Shield recovery
Use Either the Krysae or Geth Plasma Shotgun, (Can use a revenant/C.harrier also once you get them level X, don't use the harrier before then, as much as everyone uses it, its not that great a gun...)
I always run with Structral Ergonomics 5, since you don't have it, I recommend the armor mod version, to keep your recharge speed down. Use disruptor ammo with the prefered krysae, lands the tech bursting effect much more reliably with sniper rifles. Spam shockwave in key points spawn areas and groups to set off tech burst, always be in cover, Biotic charge a droppable enemy or a enemy close to another cover when you get in a bind, and only when you get in a bind, (don't be a dumb vanguard, only dumb vanguards charge recklessly.) If you get cornerd use your nova then charge either a enemy that a get you out of the corner or just to recharge your shields, avoid instakill enemys like phantoms and banshees, atlus and brutes aren't as bad.
Make sure to use teamwork to win, shoot what you see your buddy shooting to drop the enemies, watch YOU and your buddies back, *this is most important, i can't stress this enough, I've seen entire squads get dropped because everyone wants to shoot a atlus while ignoring the 3 phantoms behind them(EVERYONE SHOULD NOT BE LOOKING IN THE SAME DIRECTION!! ENEMIES DO SPAWN BEHIND YOU SOMETIMES!)* Set of tech burst/ biotic explosions with your shockwave when you see the opportunity and get full extraction, its usually that easy.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:37
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Mozts wrote...
Its true. I glitched a Drell adept once. We just call it vanguard glitch because it happens most with vanguards.
Tadaa.
Ronnie Blastoff wrote...
Shockwave
R4 Radius R5 Distance R6 Recharge ( you can use this instead of R4 nova if needed)
Isn't radius the evolution that causes Shockwave to do nothing at all most of the time? Or has this been fixed?
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:41
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That is good to know. I prefer to build all my characters with at least Fitness/Rage 4b (or 5b, 6b additionally).spudspot wrote...
There is no bug. I must admit though, sometimes he feels squishier than other Vanguards, but I guess that is just a misperception because people keep telling you fitness is buggy.
Edit: I tried it in Chrome and that worked, so nvm.You couldn't make sense of it or you couldn't see it?
Modifié par Kyrene, 09 juillet 2012 - 02:43 .
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:44
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If you want the most defense I'd say go with the krogaurd they are highly effective against the geth if you make a good defensive build with shield booster and have biotic charge hit 3 targets and restore all shields
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:46
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Kyrene wrote...
Edit: I tried it in Chrome and that worked, so nvm.
Ok. I just noticed that Talon II, could be the best choice in your arsenal for the AV. I personally prefer the Graal, but maybe the much better cooldown you'll get with the Talon will help you get started better with the class.
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Posté 09 juillet 2012 - 02:48
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Just saying the krogaurd is the best defensive straight in option if you want to go that route
