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[fantasypisces]

That I would agree on pc6311, but the comparisons to arthurian legends is sort of uncanny, isn't it.

But anyway, the reason I was saying late teens early 20's was because of a lot of the concept art. She just looks really young in all of it. (And by really young I mean 18-19).

[Herr Uhl]

I think the devs stated Morrigan being in her late 20's early 30's. Off to quote searching!

[LadyVaJedi]

fantasypisces wrote...



Oh ok gotcha. I just picked up Stolen Throne yesterday, so haven't gotten there yet. Well, doesn't that raise a whole bunch of new questions then! Erm sorry Alistair, you are actually related to Morrigan (queue, head explosion).



But yeah I agree then, there is no way that Morrigan seems that old, at all, really.



Ok if this is true I wonder if the baby will have 6 fingers and and 6 toes!

[Kohaku]

eschilde wrote...

Someone said in another thread that Alistair is 32, which made me raise an eyebrow. Is this info all based on the books? I didn't get the impression that either Morrigan or Alistair were that old.. I thought late 20's at the high end for both of them. It's never mentioned in the game, though, and I kind of like it that way.

I'll look but David said that was BEFORE the changes he made to him. The other lead designer was going a different direction on Alistair. Grizzled and war hardened or some such. David said that it had to be changed because the character had to meet Alistair first before anyone else, had to be less experienced to mesh with levels and had to be likeable. So around then is where they tweaked his age.

Edits made.

Modifié par Kerridan Kaiba, 16 décembre 2009 - 02:37 .

[eschilde]

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I'll look but David said that was BEFORE the changes he made to him. The other lead designer was going a different direction on Alistair. Grizzled and war hardened or some such. David said that it had to be changed because the character had to meet Alistair first before anyone else, had to be less experienced to mesh with levels and had to be likeable. So around then is where they tweaked his age.

Edits made.

That is much more believable to me. Alistair does not act like a guy in his 30's. Plus, I got the impression Duncan was in his late 30's or possibly early 40's, which would totally mess up their father-son vibe in my mind.

Heh, if Alistair and Morrigan really are related, I think they already act ilke siblings in their banter ^^

[Wrathra]

eschilde wrote...

That is much more believable to me. Alistair does not act like a guy in his 30's. Plus, I got the impression Duncan was in his late 30's or possibly early 40's, which would totally mess up their father-son vibe in my mind.

Heh, if Alistair and Morrigan really are related, I think they already act ilke siblings in their banter ^^

I got the impression Duncan was 45-50 due to events in The Calling. 

[Kohaku]

eschilde wrote...

Kerridan Kaiba wrote...

I'll look but David said that was BEFORE the changes he made to him. The other lead designer was going a different direction on Alistair. Grizzled and war hardened or some such. David said that it had to be changed because the character had to meet Alistair first before anyone else, had to be less experienced to mesh with levels and had to be likeable. So around then is where they tweaked his age.

Edits made.

That is much more believable to me. Alistair does not act like a guy in his 30's. Plus, I got the impression Duncan was in his late 30's or possibly early 40's, which would totally mess up their father-son vibe in my mind.

Heh, if Alistair and Morrigan really are related, I think they already act ilke siblings in their banter ^^

Found it.

David Gaider wrote...

LdyShayna wrote...
However, it would be interesting to know how the character developed.  Alas!  I fear it may be one of those "Tales Never Told".

The
original concept for Alistair was a "grizzled Grey Warden veteran", as
per James Ohlen (who was the original DA Lead Designer). That is, in
fact, how Alistair was first written. Thing is, that didn't work very
well for a character that needed to join the player but not lead -- and
the experience level implied by "veteran" didn't mesh very well with
the fact that Alistair needed to join the player early on in the story
when everyone was low level. So I ended up re-writing Alistair into
someone that worked better as a low-level support character, someone
more likeable.

The concept art that you see for Alistair was
based only on James Ohlen's description. Mal Reynolds was never
mentioned back then, so really has nothing to do with it.

[pc6311]

Wrathra wrote...

eschilde wrote...

That is much more believable to me. Alistair does not act like a guy in his 30's. Plus, I got the impression Duncan was in his late 30's or possibly early 40's, which would totally mess up their father-son vibe in my mind.

Heh, if Alistair and Morrigan really are related, I think they already act ilke siblings in their banter ^^

I got the impression Duncan was 45-50 due to events in The Calling. 

The event of the Calling happened 20 years ago when Duncan was 18. That makes him around 38-39.

[Gecon]

Origins:

Mage - gets his Harrowing, should be in the late teens or early twens at most
City Elf - gets arranged marriage, so he should be in the late teens or early twens at most
Daelish Elf - late teens or twen ... as no marriage, I vote for late teens
Dwarven Noble - not married yet or anything, so again in twens. Not late teens because younger brother is already "there", too
Dwarven Commoner - sister is very young too, so again late teens or early twens
Human Noble - older brother just married, family is looking for spouse for you - again late teens

So a character age 23-25 is already at the top range of age. I expect the MC to be around 18, really.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He went into Flemeths hut for 3 hours in one of the books. What they did is speculation though.

3 hours eh? No wonder woman fell for him....3 friggin hours!!!!

I really cant tell what you want to say. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] Do you want to imply that they where busy with "the thing" all these three hours and it impresses you it lasted "that long" ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Or do you complain that the whole romance only lasts 3 hours ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

[fantasypisces]

Gecon wrote...

Origins:

Mage - gets his Harrowing, should be in the late teens or early twens at most
City Elf - gets arranged marriage, so he should be in the late teens or early twens at most
Daelish Elf - late teens or twen ... as no marriage, I vote for late teens
Dwarven Noble - not married yet or anything, so again in twens. Not late teens because younger brother is already "there", too
Dwarven Commoner - sister is very young too, so again late teens or early twens
Human Noble - older brother just married, family is looking for spouse for you - again late teens

So a character age 23-25 is already at the top range of age. I expect the MC to be around 18, really.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He went into Flemeths hut for 3 hours in one of the books. What they did is speculation though.

3 hours eh? No wonder woman fell for him....3 friggin hours!!!!

I really cant tell what you want to say. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] Do you want to imply that they where busy with "the thing" all these three hours and it impresses you it lasted "that long" ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Or do you complain that the whole romance only lasts 3 hours ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

Erm, probably the former, hence all the jokes...
And to your ranges, I don't think any of them (besides my Morrigan conjecture) are teenagers. At least from my experiences, teenagers are not mature enough to deal with what all the characters deal with.

[Thiefy]

Human Noble - older brother just married, family is looking for spouse for you - again late teens

Er, that is incorrect. Fergus did not just marry, he's been married for a while and his son looks like he is the same age as Conner (considering it's the same model), so the boy is like 10 years old



It's very possible for human noble to be early or mid twenties, especially since your mother gets worried about you being a lone, old bat, and Oren being her only grandchild.



Dwarven Noble could easily be in their 30's. I fail to see how marriage has anything to do with age. You don't need to be married to be older than 25.



Is it really that hard to believe that someone who can save the world would be old enough to legally drink alcohol?

[Ravauviel]

Gecon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He went into Flemeths hut for 3 hours in one of the books. What they did is speculation though.

3 hours eh? No wonder woman fell for him....3 friggin hours!!!!

I really cant tell what you want to say. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie] Do you want to imply that they where busy with "the thing" all these three hours and it impresses you it lasted "that long" ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie] Or do you complain that the whole romance only lasts 3 hours ? [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

LOL! I sputtered my coffee at the fact that you would actually call that "romance"! 

[Ravauviel]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Human Noble - older brother just married, family is looking for spouse for you - again late teens

Er, that is incorrect. Fergus did not just marry, he's been married for a while and his son looks like he is the same age as Conner (considering it's the same model), so the boy is like 10 years old

It's very possible for human noble to be early or mid twenties, especially since your mother gets worried about you being a lone, old bat, and Oren being her only grandchild.

Dwarven Noble could easily be in their 30's. I fail to see how marriage has anything to do with age. You don't need to be married to be older than 25.

Is it really that hard to believe that someone who can save the world would be old enough to legally drink alcohol?

Exactly! This ain't no Final Fantasy! It strikes me as humorous that some players deem their characters to be so young, perhaps they are simply projecting their own ages unto their characters -- if so, fair enough I guess, this is an rpg after all.

[kevinwastaken]

In a medieval setting where people wouldn't likely live beyond 30 then 20 years old is VERY old not to be married. This is on earth though, maybe there is no disease to shorten lifespans in Thedas and everyone lives to be 80, 90, or 100 years old.



If the PC is an elf however, many NPCs refer to you as a child, making 16-17 more likely since a 20 year old is not a child by anyone's definition.

[EmperorSahlertz]

People in medieval times got almost as old as people do now... The reason average age of death is so low in medieval times, is because child death was a lot more common back then, which pulls the average way down.

[tmp7704]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Er, that is incorrect. Fergus did not just marry, he's been married for a while and his son looks like he is the same age as Conner (considering it's the same model), so the boy is like 10 years old

Well, it's the same model because there's only one model for kids, no matter their age

Fergus' son sounds much younger than Connor, or at least Connor comes across much more mature in comparison. (I'm not sure if that many 10 year olds would have problem calling a sword by its proper name in that era)

[kevinwastaken]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People in medieval times got almost as old as people do now... The reason average age of death is so low in medieval times, is because child death was a lot more common back then, which pulls the average way down.

First of all I said "likely", meaning there were exceptions and secondly: LOL

[matt-bassist]

I don't agree with most of the OPs suggestions. I find most of the team a lot older.



Alistair - 32

Morrigan - 34

Leliana - 28

Sten - 42

Wynne - 70

Zevran - 28

Oghren - 46

Shale - Difficult to tell, but at least 600 years.

Dog - 6



I just don't see a bunch of 20-somethings running around, even though I'm 24 myself. All of them seem to have a bit of age on them. Some may be more immature, sure, but some people are like that in real life.

[Thiefy]

kevinwastaken wrote...

In a medieval setting where people wouldn't likely live beyond 30 then 20 years old is VERY old not to be married. This is on earth though, maybe there is no disease to shorten lifespans in Thedas and everyone lives to be 80, 90, or 100 years old.

If the PC is an elf however, many NPCs refer to you as a child, making 16-17 more likely since a 20 year old is not a child by anyone's definition.

yeah but how many women warriors were there back in medieval era? and people clearly lived beyond 30, and it was normal. back then and in thedas. wynn clearly older than 30. so is greagor, first enchanter irving, duncan, loghain, arl emon, bann teagan, your father, the list could go on.

as far as the elf thing goes - you are a child so long as you aren't married. Soris looks to be in his 20s. If not that, there as those two in the dalish camp. they look old enough to be in their 20's. "A 20 year old is not a child by anyone's definition" is hardly a good enough reason to label all the origins as 'under 20', especially with such as a shaky definition.

Well, it's the same model because there's only one model for kids, no matter their age

Fergus' son sounds much younger than Connor, or at least Connor comes across much more mature in comparison. (I'm not sure if that many 10 year olds would have problem calling a sword by its proper name in that era)

True enough  I noticed that myself, even the elves are the same with the exception of the ears, and you never see dwarven children.

Oren sounds like he is 5-6 but his model would show him otherwise. Between the two I would guesstimate his age to be around 8 then? Big enough for the small but young enough to act like 'babyish'. Still that is the better part of a decade, so it's safe to say that Fergus didn't "just get married".

Modifié par Thief-of-Hearts, 16 décembre 2009 - 04:55 .

[stzehn]

There ar dates given for that in the Toolset

PC                              20
Alistair                       32
Duncan                     42
Leliana                      26
Morrigan                   30
Oghren                     35
Shale                        500
Sten                          30
Wynne                      55
Zevran                       24
Loghain                    50

There is an age listed for ervery char

[Akrim_Drak]

I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be using the toolset ages as canon. I think some of them vary in time from when the character was originally planned and what we actually have, Alistair for example. I cannot fathom him being that old at all. Morrigan too seems a bit old. The toolset also has Bryce and Eleanor Cousland listed as 40 years old but their son Fergus is listed as 30.

[tmp7704]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Oren sounds like he is 5-6 but his model would show him otherwise. Between the two I would guesstimate his age to be around 8 then?

I'd be willing to disregard the appearance of models entirely and go with what the characters sound like, most of the time (this also makes some other scenes more believeable, like that one with Dog in Denerim... the boy he finds also sounds like 5-6 year old and it makes more sense such kid would follow a random dog around)

These fixed appearances of the models can be quite deceiving imo. Like the elf guy in Dalish camp, for example... he may look 20-odd, but how believeable it is for guy of this age to still be a "boy" because he never hunted yet in his life? He would've plenty opportunity for that few months prior when his clan wasn't in the forest infested with werewolves. Makes more sense overall to consider he's few years younger than the game makes him appear to be. Similar effect can apply to at least some of the player's companions.

[tmp7704]

stzehn wrote...

There ar dates given for that in the Toolset

Whoa, where are they buried? I totally missed them... that's a very nice find

edit: But Alistair being 32, no frickin' way (or it's for the original version of the character) ... 22 would seem more like it

Modifié par tmp7704, 16 décembre 2009 - 05:08 .

[Stuffy38]

Creid-X wrote...

I assume the PC, Morrigan, Leliana and Alistair are all around 25-29 years old.
Sten and Oghren are obviously in their 40's, Wynne I assume 50 something and about Zevran, well... I have no idea buy I'd say around 30.

If Morrigan is in fact Maric's daughter (which is like 90% possible) then yes, she should be from 25 to 30 years old which I assume she has.

Yeah I'd agree with most of these except would put Wynne in her early 70's. 

Human Noble PC might be the youngest, possibly 19-25 ?

[KariTR]

matt-bassist wrote...

I don't agree with most of the OPs suggestions. I find most of the team a lot older.

Alistair - 32

I just cant see how Alistair would have avoided being sworn in as a Templar for 22 years. He has to be much younger than that and Mr Gaider confirms it if you look back at the quote another poster kindly linked.