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[KariTR]

stzehn wrote...

There ar dates given for that in the Toolset

PC                              20
Alistair                       32
Duncan                     42
Leliana                      26
Morrigan                   30
Oghren                     35
Shale                        500
Sten                          30
Wynne                      55
Zevran                       24
Loghain                    50

There is an age listed for ervery char

Except that characters were redesigned. Read the quote from David further up this page.

[Akrim_Drak]

tmp7704 wrote...

stzehn wrote...

There ar dates given for that in the Toolset

Whoa, where are they buried? I totally missed them... that's a very nice find

edit: But Alistair being 32, no frickin' way (or it's for the original version of the character) ... 22 would seem more like it

If you open the .chr (character) files it will show you their ages, traits, etc. Some characters (like the main party members) have all the fields filled out and others (merchants and lesser NPCs) have few or none of them filled.

[stzehn]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
If you open the .chr (character) files it will show you their ages, traits, etc. Some characters (like the main party members) have all the fields filled out and others (merchants and lesser NPCs) have few or none of them filled.

To clarify that it is the current in Game Data we are talking about, wich is used in the single player campain. Those Files give a good background description for all mainchars they even include who is cast for voice over, how they should talk etc. 

[Lady Catastrophe]

stzehn wrote...
PC                              20
Alistair                       32
Duncan                     42
Leliana                      26
Morrigan                   30
Oghren                     35
Shale                        500
Sten                          30
Wynne                      55
Zevran                       24
Loghain                    50

There is an age listed for ervery char

Even if this info is correct,I personally don't think any of the characters listed (minus Shale and possibly Loghain) are that old /young/ whatever.
And no way is Alistair 32.I would have said he's about 23 based on appearance and attitude,but certainly not in his thirties.

[KirsiJF]

I would have said Zevran is older than Alistair. He's seems more world-weary and has been an active member of the Crows for some time at least.

Anyway, the way I imagine the ages is something like this:

Alistair: Mid 20s

Morrigan: Mid to late 20s

Zevran: Early 30s

Sten: Mid to late 30s

Leliana: Mid 20s

Ohgren: Late 30s to early 40s

Player character: Early to mid 20s

Wynne: About 50

Loghain: Late 40s

[Greenphrog]

Gawd i'm robbing the cradle......

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

People in medieval times got almost as old as people do now... The reason average age of death is so low in medieval times, is because child death was a lot more common back then, which pulls the average way down.

Not so. Childhood deaths are only one reason the lifespan was low. People generally did not live to ripe old ages. If you survived childhood, you had war, famine, dysentery, plague, cholera, childbirth for women, and a host of other dangers that were often everyday hassles. Remeber, they did not have antibiotics or an understanding of what caused disease and how it spread. Water was hazardous to drink, and sanitation was near nonexistant. Adults kicked the bucket young quite often, and thus, people living beyond their 30's or 40's was remarkable. Nobles had somewhat better access to decent health care and lived a bit longer, but the average person, no. People did grow to old age, but it was no where near as common as today.

As far as age and maturity, remember, childhood was brief to non-existant in medieval times. As soon as you could walk, you were put to work. No highschool parties, trips to the mall, ect for you. Romper room simply did not exist. One of the big motivations for having lots of kids back then was extra hands to help on the farm or wherever. Nobles would have had an easdier time than most, but they still, by today's standards, did not have a care-free childhood, and were often being trained hard for whatever as soon as they were out of diapers. 

Thus, an 18 year old of that era would be closer to a twenty something of our era. Kids got hardened and matured faster because of necessity, and people married extremely young. It was not uncommon for girls to be married off as soon as they got their first period, which was anywhere between 12 and 16, usually.

So from my playthroughs, I gather the main character in the origins Ive played to be somewhere between 17-21. And in those times, there was no such thing as being "old enough to drink". Kids usually drank plenty of beer and other alcoholic beverages because water was downright dangerous to drink.

As far as the elves calling you "child" read the codex on elven culture and listen to the other elves in the alienage. Elves consider anyone who has not married to be a "child", regardless of age. Childhood is considered over once you marry, because now you take on the responsibilities of an adult.

[pc6311]

stzehn wrote...

There ar dates given for that in the Toolset

PC                              20
Alistair                       32
Duncan                     42
Leliana                      26
Morrigan                   30
Oghren                     35
Shale                        500
Sten                          30
Wynne                      55
Zevran                       24
Loghain                    50

There is an age listed for ervery char

So....Alistair was sent to Chantry at 10 and even after 20 years of training, he still didn't make the templar? He's a lot dumber than I thought!

[Saurel]

if it helps

Wynne: 50s ( http://old.dragonage...ngle/1233282360 )
Morrigan: Late 20s, early 30s ( http://old.dragonage...ngle/1235503620 )


And Zevran is suppose to be 24? wow... O_o a lot younger than I thought. Sten is only 30! ? o_O

My estimates would be

early to mid 20s: Human Noble, City Elf
mid to late 20s: Shiana,  Alistair, Leliana , Cailan, Dalish Elf , Mage
late 20s to early thirties: Morrigan, Zevran , Anora, Dwarf Commoner
early to mid thirties : Dwarf Noble , Vaughn , Bhelen
late thirties - mid forties : Isolde, Sten, Oghren, Teagan , Branka ,Trian
Late 40s- Riordan, Duncan
early - mid 50s - Loghain, Eamon and Wynne (Loghain on the younger side)
late 50s- 60s : Gregoir,Howe
late 60s-70s: Irving ,Eldrin , Harrowmount
80s (in body) : Flemeth
for the origins, I could see them with anything on the easily fitting in with  the following groupings on either side of them.

Modifié par Saurel, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:05 .

[orpheus333]

Leliana would be over thirty concidering she was born just before the end of the orlesian occupation.

[Maconbar]

The toolset age for Morrigan seems to lend credence to the Morrigan is daughter of Maric and Flemeth theory.

[Saurel]

Maconbar wrote...

The toolset age for Morrigan seems to lend credence to the Morrigan is daughter of Maric and Flemeth theory.

the word from Gaiders mouth is late 20s to thirites, so there is that too 

It wouldn't surprise me if the toolset ages were in part the initial plan....just saying as opposed to how they actually got implemented.  So some may have ended up being closer than others. maybe?

Modifié par Saurel, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:07 .

[Korva]

Let's see. My guess:

Alistair: early to mid 20s
Leliana: ~30
Morrigan: early to mid 20s
Oghren: early to mid 40s in human terms
Sten: early to mid 40s in human terms
Wynne: 60+
Zevran: ~30

Duncan: ~40
Loghain: ~50

As for the PC, the orgins mainly suggest early to mid twenties in my mind, too. I'd really like a game that doesn't make you start as a level 1 scrub who can barely pick their nose, yet skyrockets to uberhero status in a matter of months. That always strains suspension of disbelief. Starting as an older and more experienced character would be good for a change.

Modifié par Korva, 16 décembre 2009 - 07:10 .

[darkmax1974]

In medieval times, infant mortality was high, but so was malnutrition, war and diseases. Moreover, you have to take into account, most Caucasians tend to look older by the time they are in their mid-20s. Remember that these people were more prone to the weather than we are today. Also have to take into account marrying and birthing age in those days were a lot younger than now, usually after 15-17.



So, here's my understanding....



PC - 19-23

Alister - 19-23

Morrigan - 19-22

Leliana - 20-23

Wynn - 40-50

Sten - 26-28

Shale - >400

Zevran - 20-24

Oghren - 300+

Duncan - 35-40

Loghain - 40-45

[bobsmyuncle]

fantasypisces wrote...

Was curious how old everyone thought the characters/companions were.
One thing I was curious about is if elves/dwarves have longer life-spans? But for this we will assume human years (what we are used to).

My opinion:
PC - Depends on how you rp/make them. Mine was about 23-25
Alistair - Early 20's (21-22)
Morrigan - I'm going to go out on a limb and say late teens early 20's. I just get that vibe from her (18-21)
Leliana - Mid 20's (25-26)
Sten - Late 30's early 40's (38-41)
Wynne - Early to Mid 60's (61-64)
Zevran - Early to mid 20's (21-24)
Oghren - Mid to late 30's (34-37)
Shale - Erm, ancient? (200 yearsish)
Dog - five to six years old (hehehe)
Shmooples (can't forget Schmooples!) - Six months

I don't know enough about the Tower of Magi to know if there tends to be a certain age when apprentices are tested, so I pegged my mage PC as newly into her majority, so 20 or 21.

I think Alistair is 21 give or take a year based on being almost old enough to be a Templar, +6mo as a Warden.

Leliana is more likely in her late twenties, IMO. Purely a guess, but I'd say 27 or 28.

I have no clue about Sten. All Qunari in game have white hair so that signifies nothing. His sword, Asala, is described as being old but well-maintained, and Sten was the leader of a scouting troop deep in "unenlightened" territory, so I expect he's fairly seasoned. I'd also say mid-30s to 40s.

Wynne I perceive as being in her late fifties. This is based on pure guesswork based on memories of my grandma when I was little. Wynne seems pretty active and energetic at times, interspersed with weariness when she's been active for extended periods (maintaining the magical barrier, traveling with your PC), so I don't think she's as old as mid 60s. She may come off as more tired than normal for being in her fifties, but I chalk that up to being slightly dead.

Zevran is probably in his late twenties. He's been an assassin for a few years by the time you meet him, plus time allotted for training.

Oghren was married to Branka for quite a while, well before she became a paragon. I agree with your assessment of his age as being in his 30s.

Shale is way older than 200 years. If she was the first golem, and the wiki says the secret to golem manufacture was lost 1,000 years ago (due to Caridin calling it quits) I would put her at 1,100 or 1,200 years old.

Dog - I'm terrible at guessing dog ages, but he appears fully grown and well trained so I'm sure 4 or 5 is close.

With Shmooples the better question is how long until Leliana isn't looking and my dog eats it. I give it a week before he or Alistair decide they're hungry and wonder how nuggets taste.

Modifié par bobsmyuncle, 16 décembre 2009 - 09:01 .

[Minimess]

andyr1986 wrote...

Leliana would be over thirty concidering she was born just before the end of the orlesian occupation.

Yeah I'd say she was early thirties.  In a chat with Zevran it appears she was in the Chantry for at least 8 years (Zev can't understand how she went so long being 'unattended' heh), and chatting with her it seems she's a fairly experienced Bard (certainly enough to get to know Marjolane intimately, then see her change and be betrayed by her).

So for me: She learns Bard skills in her Lady's court at ~12-15yo, ~10 years as a Bard, ~8 years in the Chantry = ~30-33.

Modifié par Minimess, 17 décembre 2009 - 12:55 .

[Aristorum]

Here's how I see it.



PC: depends on origin (most in their twenties)

Alistair: 21-24

Morrigan: 27-30

Leliana: 29-31

Zevran: 28-32 (leaning more towards early thirties)

Sten: 35-45 (he's hard to tell)

Oghren: 32-36

Wynne: 50-60 (She looks pretty young for as old as she is implied to be)

Shale: over 400

Dog: 4-6

Loghain: 50-55

Duncan: 48-54



I imagine a lot of the companions, save for Alistair, are at least a good 5-10 years older than PC if not more.

[darkmax1974]

from my understanding, the passage says that Leliana's mother worked for an Orlesian noble lady at the end of their rule in Ferelden. It did not mention Leliana being born in Ferelden, but it did say she was raised in Orleias after her mother died. That could be 10 years after they resettled in Orlais.

[twincast]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Not so. Childhood deaths are only one reason the lifespan was low. People generally did not live to ripe old ages. If you survived childhood, you had war, famine, dysentery, plague, cholera, childbirth for women, and a host of other dangers that were often everyday hassles. Remeber, they did not have antibiotics or an understanding of what caused disease and how it spread. Water was hazardous to drink, and sanitation was near nonexistant. Adults kicked the bucket young quite often, and thus, people living beyond their 30's or 40's was remarkable. Nobles had somewhat better access to decent health care and lived a bit longer, but the average person, no. People did grow to old age, but it was no where near as common as today.

As far as age and maturity, remember, childhood was brief to non-existant in medieval times. As soon as you could walk, you were put to work. No highschool parties, trips to the mall, ect for you. Romper room simply did not exist. One of the big motivations for having lots of kids back then was extra hands to help on the farm or wherever. Nobles would have had an easdier time than most, but they still, by today's standards, did not have a care-free childhood, and were often being trained hard for whatever as soon as they were out of diapers. 

Thus, an 18 year old of that era would be closer to a twenty something of our era. Kids got hardened and matured faster because of necessity, and people married extremely young. It was not uncommon for girls to be married off as soon as they got their first period, which was anywhere between 12 and 16, usually.

So from my playthroughs, I gather the main character in the origins Ive played to be somewhere between 17-21. And in those times, there was no such thing as being "old enough to drink". Kids usually drank plenty of beer and other alcoholic beverages because water was downright dangerous to drink.

As far as the elves calling you "child" read the codex on elven culture and listen to the other elves in the alienage. Elves consider anyone who has not married to be a "child", regardless of age. Childhood is considered over once you marry, because now you take on the responsibilities of an adult.

This! Every single part of it!

I've been meaning to write a post like this for months... never got around to it; mostly because it wouldn't have sounded nearly as intelligent due to my tendency to digress and ramble like there's no tomorrow. (I'm either that or very tight-lipped, there's no middle ground for me.)

Especially the journeyman tradition (to put another fact out there) makes it majorly face-palm- and head-desk-inducing for me when people here want their characters to start out in their late 20's or even later than that. (I mean, they can roleplay whatever they want, but they should ba able to admit what the game realistically assumes you to be.) Not to mention that it is a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate in which it's stated right out that you start as a 20-year-old (or maybe 18? memory's slightly fuzzy & I should have hit the sheets hours ago).

Modifié par twincast, 17 décembre 2009 - 02:34 .

[Inakhia]

There was also no concept of 'Teenagers' You where either a child or an adult. Nothing in between.

I think teenagers as an idea, only came into being recently, as in *very*. 1950's? recently, to describe the age group that started getting into Rock music.

So yes, I think you where a child until you became an adult and essentially that was around the age you became physically big enough to work. Usually mid-teens onwards.

Want an age for comparison? Look at Romeo and Juliet, who are meant to be around 13-15? throughout all that.

That being said, Ferelden has access to magic, which might tip the scales and different species, which may also skew appearances. So I imagine a noble wouldn't age as badly as say a commoner, but not as well as a mage. Access to better nutrition and medical help can give you a big boost in how you age.

[back pain]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

Is it really that hard to believe that someone who can save the world would be old enough to legally drink alcohol?

The drinking age in Alberta (where Bioware is located) is 18, so it is possible that your PC could  be in his/her late teens.

[Nathair Nimheil]

People in medieval times got almost as old as people do now... The reason average age of death is so low in medieval times, is because child death was a lot more common back then, which pulls the average way down.

That's not entirely true. While infant mortality does significantly shift the number that is not the only factor. (This shouldn't be surprising when you consider the state of medical science in, say, 1420.) The wealthier upper classes may have had lifespans approaching those we enjoy but the peasantry certainly did not. Medieval peasants who managed to survive the hazards of infancy might possibly hope for 60 years, here in Canada, on the other hand, the current average life expectancy is over 80 years with about 5000 of us right now living beyond our 100th birthday.

[darkmax1974]

I read somewhere the average life expectancy of the pre-1800s European to be 40-50.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

twincast wrote...

Especially the journeyman tradition (to put another fact out there) makes it majorly face-palm- and head-desk-inducing for me when people here want their characters to start out in their late 20's or even later than that. (I mean, they can roleplay whatever they want, but they should ba able to admit what the game realistically assumes you to be.) Not to mention that it is a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate in which it's stated right out that you start as a 20-year-old (or maybe 18? memory's slightly fuzzy & I should have hit the sheets hours ago).

Another good point. One must remember that adventuring is very physically  demanding and takes alot out of you. It is not a career one simply "starts" at an more advanced age. Since all of the origin stories basically promote the idea that you've never gotten much beyond remidial training and a civilian life, logic dictates for me, that said character is most likely quite young, because they have no prior adventuring experience. A character who is older, say late 20's or early 30's when they start out does not seem very realistic, maybe a bit too old.

i base this on my own experience in the military. I joined when I was 18. It was pretty physically taxing at that age. yet we'd have people joining in their late 20's and 30's, and it was ALOT harder on them, and they seldom reached the same levels of physical and mental fitness that their peers of the same age, but that had joined much younger, had. If you had already been living that life from a younger age, then by 30 or so, your body and mind adapted accordingly, and you did way better than someone who just joined from the same age.

That's why it makes sense for several of your companions to be older. They are veteran in their own right. Both Zev and leliana have already both lived pretty hard, fast lives and had their own adventures before you. Same with Oghren, Sten, and Wynne. Morrigan hints at having lived an active and interesting life in the wilds, so her being almost 30 makes sense as well.

Only the PC and Alistair have backgrounds that suggest being quite young and new to the adventuring game. Alistair might have a bit more experience, given his time with the Wardens and such, but the PC screams NOOB! Which would ideally, give them a much younger age, perhaps the youngest individual in the party. (barring dog, but that's dog years). 18-21 seems most likely. (And in the case of the human noble origin, any older and your parents would be meeting with potential suitors as opposed to Howe, war or no war.)

And of course, from my own perspective, the idea of a late 20, early 30 year old still living at home with their parents, having never left the nest once to go do anything, is far more disturbing an idea that say, a 19 year old trying to save the world. Call me weird, but as soon as I hot 18, I couldn't get out of the house fast enough.

[Saurel]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

And of course, from my own perspective, the idea of a late 20, early 30 year old still living at home with their parents, having never left the nest once to go do anything, is far more disturbing an idea that say, a 19 year old trying to save the world. Call me weird, but as soon as I hot 18, I couldn't get out of the house fast enough.

Its a bit more common than you think..depending on the culture.

In-game, if you are living with family. You either have a castle and a official position (which you know isn't that bad). Essentially serve as the head of the house (dwarf commoner). Are about to have it come to an end( City Elf)