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[fantasypisces]

Just to say, in another thread (one of the Alistair ones) David Gaider said that Alistair was originally conceived as an older more experienced person (early 30's) but they made him younger and less experienced so he could fit the story better. So I don't know if those ages are fully accurate.



But Morrigan at 30... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sooo not what the concept art looks like. And only adds to the "oh wow, she was sheltered wasn't she". If she is really that old, then I might go and change all my characters to not romance her, that is a little odd. They were all enjoying seeing Morrigan change, but if she really was that much older than I thought, then I don't know how they would react.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Saurel wrote...

Its a bit more common than you think..depending on the culture.

In-game, if you are living with family. You either have a castle and a official position (which you know isn't that bad). Essentially serve as the head of the house (dwarf commoner). Are about to have it come to an end( City Elf)

I know. I'm living in Spain right now, and it took a while getting used to the fact that even people in their 40's still live with parents, having never left the house. 

In the case of the nobility, however, there are other factors to be remembered. Fergus has the best chance of succeeding your father. Custom amongst nobles in medieval times basically made the eldest son inheritor of estate, title, and family fortunes. Fergus is also already married and has a child. And he already has performed duties and held important positions, so it's not like he's been laying about, working out and on his tan. Since he is the one most likely to become the next Teyryn, from a medieval perspective, it's not odd at all that he should be living with his folks. He's already taken on and performed many responsibilities as an adult.

Generally, when it came to younger sons in medieval noble houses, they might get a small portion of their father's estate, but generally, they left home early to either join the priesthood or some order of knights, or seek out their own fortune, maybe even form their own noble house. But it was not common for them to hang around the home of their parents, since doing so might increase the possibility of sibling rivalry and plotting to usurp the eldest son's birthrights. Thus, younger sons were often encouraged or forced to leave the nest at a much younger age. In the case of daughters, in real world society, they were simply married off, as they were not considered eligible to inherit, due to their social inability to carry on the family name. In Ferelden it's obviously different in the case of female nobles, but the order of inheritance still is followed, i.e., first born gets it unless there are circumstances that make it a better idea for a younger sibling to do so.

Thus, from my perspective, it would make the case for the human noble to be very young, since in the conversations with your parents, I get the feeling that they are trying to boot you from the nest, either through marriage or joining some honorable organization and making your own fortunes away from the family nest.

City elves, naturally, have a good case for a very young PC. Since you remain a child until you marry, regardless of age, it seems likely that a father of the Alienage would not enjoy the idea of a 30 year old "child", and thus, as soon as you are old enough, finds you a suitable spouse so you can join the community as an adult.

I haven't played the dwarf noble yet (still loading and reloading my other games simply to see all the funny dialogues and companion conversations) but from what I gather of dwarven society, the nobility there is VERY different from human nobility.

[ReubenLiew]

Lots of asian families stay with their parents, since they want to raise their children in the same house they were born in. We're a much tighter knit family that way.



Tends to raise a lot of family drama however, if Hong Kong serials are anything to go by.

[SarEnyaDor]

Even in America until the recent history 1950s upwards (and now again because of bad economic times) multiple generations lived in one house - where do you think the mother-in-law cottage came from? people could get away, but wanted some privacy.

[RazorNightngale]

First off I gotta say remember people Thedas is NOT Earth. People may live longer there than we did during Medieval times. It wouldn't surprise me since there is magic and all sorts other factors do it being a fictional world.



As for ages...



PC: 18-25 (I change for each origin. But for my preferred Human Noble I go with 22, old enough that to make her mother worry about her daughter being an old maid but still young enough to have a plenty of interested suitors.)



Alistair: 22-24 (I base this on Conner (who is supposed to be 12). I assume that Alistair was sent away because of Isolde when she was either pregnant or shortly after her son was born because that is probably when she to really started seeing him as potential threat of becoming Eamon's heir)



Morrigan: 30-35 (I'm in the camp that she is Maric's kid. She just appears to be younger do to her naive nature about how to act around other people).



Leliana: 26-30 (Fits with the whole 'Mother leaving after occupation' thing and allows her to use the line about looking younger than she really is.)



Oghren: 35 (It just fits)



Duncan: 42-45 (Just starting to become Middle Age, fits with the '30 years or so till you die' concept of being Warden if Duncan was recruited pretty young as The Calling suggests)



Shale: So old it doesn't really matter



Wynne: 60-70 (I have no problem seeing her as being this old. She reminds me of one of my mom's friends who lived an incredibly active life. She was still going on long distance horse-back rides at 85)



Zevran: 28-32 (He's the hardest one for me to age. He just seems to have an aura of being older)



Loghain: 50-55 (Based mostly on The Stolen Throne. But he's probably one of those guys who exactly the same from the moment they turn 30 to the day they die).

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

It's different. Mother-in-Law cottages exist because you you left the nest. If your mother in law, or other family member is coming to live with you, it means you've already left the house and done your part in the attempt to become an adult. Having family members move in with you because of economic hardhsip/physical illness/help with workload, and vice versa if you have to do the same.



I am referring to a person who is coming into their third decade of life, and has not ever left the care/support of their parents from the time they are in the cradle until now. A nonstop childhood well past its prime. No going off to college, or goin to learn a trade, or exploring the world to "find yourself" or anything that would cause a person to actually grow up and become their own person.



Having grandma, uncle Bob, or whoever come live with you, or having to return to your parents home because of personal or economic hardships such as divorce or loss of employment, or personal crisis, or the need to care for a sick or elderly family member is an entirely different scenario. Because in order to return, you need to have left in some form and had that crucial growing up point.



Even in pre-1950s America, people didn't sit around lounging around the house or working remiedial jobs and living off mom without certain scorn and contempt from the rest of your peers.

[tmp7704]

Maviarab wrote...

Also have to rememebr here (regarding Elves) that to us mid thirties really is approaching middle age....where as to en Elf, 30 years old is still veyr young and immature.

Except the elves in DA no longer maintain their extended lifespan, both due to close contact with humans and the other factors

[darkmax1974]

is there an average lifespan somewhere for the different races?

Modifié par darkmax1974, 17 décembre 2009 - 03:46 .

[tmp7704]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I am referring to a person who is coming into their third decade of life, and has not ever left the care/support of their parents from the time they are in the cradle until now. A nonstop childhood well past its prime. No going off to college, or goin to learn a trade, or exploring the world to "find yourself" or anything that would cause a person to actually grow up and become their own person.

In a number of origins this is simply not an option one would take. For dwarves, their world is literally their last remaining city and the surroundings tunnel overran with Darkspawn. They don't 'go off to college' or to explore the world, because going to the surface means leaving your caste and really everything. Dalish elves seem to remain with their tribe, since this is also pretty much the whole world to them. City elf... only the ones truly desperate or naive leave the Alienage in search of better life, and most of the time it ends in tears for them. The mages are locked in their tower because they're seen too dangerous and in need of permanent supervision.

This isn't as much "nonstop childhood" with no obligations but rather living in the place one was born (or brought to) and trying to make the living there.

[Saurel]

fantasypisces wrote...



But Morrigan at 30... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sooo not what the concept art looks like. And only adds to the "oh wow, she was sheltered wasn't she". If she is really that old, then I might go and change all my characters to not romance her, that is a little odd. They were all enjoying seeing Morrigan change, but if she really was that much older than I thought, then I don't know how they would react.

I take it you're 15 and 30 is ancient ?

Modifié par Saurel, 17 décembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[adembroski11]

PC, Human Noble:  I want to say particularly young, but I can't imagine Alistair so readily following anyone significantly younger than he. 22-24.



Alistair: 22-24 : Really seems to be about the same age as the PC


Morrigan: 28: I can't buy her being in her 30s... there's a maturity that goes beyond early 20s, but it's not quite an aged wisdom.



Leliana:
26-30 Concensus I can't argue with.



Oghren: 150-200... He's a dwarf, and until I see documentation stating otherwise, I'm assuming D&D-like ages.



Duncan: 45- he just seems fairly old for a warrior.



Shale: Ages



Wynne:
60-70, easily. She doesn't talk like a 50 year old, she talks like someone who knows her life is reaching it's end, and not just because of the demon battle.



Zevran: 120-150... young adult. Long elven lifespan gives him the experience of a much older person, but still has a youthful impetuousness.


Loghain:
50-55 Looks about that age, maybe even older, but I would think that sword arm would start wearing down were he much older than that.

[adembroski11]

kevinwastaken wrote...

In a medieval setting where people wouldn't likely live beyond 30 then 20 years old is VERY old not to be married

It's a medieval fantasy setting... the reality of Medieval medicine is kind of mitigated by the fact that they've got healing spells:)

[Nokturnal Lex]

fantasypisces wrote...

Was curious how old everyone thought the characters/companions were.
One thing I was curious about is if elves/dwarves have longer life-spans? But for this we will assume human years (what we are used to).

My opinion:
PC - Depends on how you rp/make them. Mine was about 23-25
Alistair - Early 20's (21-22)
Morrigan - I'm going to go out on a limb and say late teens early 20's. I just get that vibe from her (18-21)
Leliana - Mid 20's (25-26)
Sten - Late 30's early 40's (38-41)
Wynne - Early to Mid 60's (61-64)
Zevran - Early to mid 20's (21-24)
Oghren - Mid to late 30's (34-37)
Shale - Erm, ancient? (200 yearsish)
Dog - five to six years old (hehehe)
Shmooples (can't forget Schmooples!) - Six months

For Zevran if Bioware is using traditional Elf lore, he could be 100 something, who really knows? but I don't know how old elves and dwarves get in the DA:O universe (Don't remember it ever being discussed in codexes) Any bioware employee or someone else know how old Elves and Dwarves get in the DA:O universe?

But i find it really funny that elves are slaves if they live the traditional 200+ years, you'd think having that much knowledge over humans due to hundreds of years of wisdom the humans would be the slaves not the elves.

Modifié par Nokturnal Lex, 17 décembre 2009 - 04:14 .

[darkmax1974]

that's what I'm asking... they build a whole load of lore but ignored this simple fantasy facts....

[heretica]

Saurel wrote...

fantasypisces wrote...



But Morrigan at 30... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sooo not what the concept art looks like. And only adds to the "oh wow, she was sheltered wasn't she". If she is really that old, then I might go and change all my characters to not romance her, that is a little odd. They were all enjoying seeing Morrigan change, but if she really was that much older than I thought, then I don't know how they would react.

I take it you're 15 and 30 is ancient ?

Agree. What's wrong with people these days. I'm 22 and i've been called "old" already. Seriously. Old is 70-80. 30 years old is just young. Or adult.

On topic:

PC: Early twenties.
Alistair: I read that the toolset says he is 32. But that makes no sense i think. 
Morrigan: 26-27
Leliana: 25+
Zevran: as in human age.. i'd say he is 32-35. He is aaaall experienced and stuff *cough*
Oghren: Mmm... 50's ?
Wynne: 65 i'd say
Shale: centuries.
Sten: 42-43
Duncan: i'd say he is 45+ do not let the beard fool you!
Loghain: around 50.
King Cailan: I think he is suposed to be 10 years older than Alistair but if Alistair is 32, he would be 42.. and that's just strange because he sounds like a  young guy. I'd say that if Alistair is 22, Cailan could be an immature 32y old.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Elves and dwarves have similar life spans as humans. No 400-1000 year old elves or dwarves. They get old and wrinkly just like the rest of us.



So a 30 year old elf is similar to a 30 year old human.

[TheRealIncarnal]

I was under the impression that apart from Zathrian, elves were aging like humans now. Also, I get the feeling that Dwarves also aren't much longer lived than humans either, although they do seem to live a little longer, but not centuries.

[darkmax1974]

i was under the impression elves live longer than human, although that is but a fraction of what they lived a few centuries ago.

[NWelf]

Catt128 wrote...

Saurel wrote...

fantasypisces wrote...



But Morrigan at 30... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa? Sooo not what the concept art looks like. And only adds to the "oh wow, she was sheltered wasn't she". If she is really that old, then I might go and change all my characters to not romance her, that is a little odd. They were all enjoying seeing Morrigan change, but if she really was that much older than I thought, then I don't know how they would react.

I take it you're 15 and 30 is ancient ?

Agree. What's wrong with people these days. I'm 22 and i've been called "old" already. Seriously. Old is 70-80. 30 years old is just young. Or adult.

On topic:

PC: Early twenties.
Alistair: I read that the toolset says he is 32. But that makes no sense i think. 
Morrigan: 26-27
Leliana: 25+
Zevran: as in human age.. i'd say he is 32-35. He is aaaall experienced and stuff *cough*
Oghren: Mmm... 50's ?
Wynne: 65 i'd say
Shale: centuries.
Sten: 42-43
Duncan: i'd say he is 45+ do not let the beard fool you!
Loghain: around 50.
King Cailan: I think he is suposed to be 10 years older than Alistair but if Alistair is 32, he would be 42.. and that's just strange because he sounds like a  young guy. I'd say that if Alistair is 22, Cailan could be an immature 32y old.

Well according to the timeline on the wiki, cailan was born in 9:05 dragon, origins begins at 9:30 dragon, making cailan 25 plain and simple ( and when speaking to loghain at ostagar he says cailan is a very young man), alistair is younger than cailan, id say around same age as pc, which I place at 20 at the most.  Duncan was very young in The Calling, and that was around 9:10 dragon, id put him right around 40.  Sten I would put a bit younger, mid 30's, as he is not as hard and serious as qunari from DA 2, so he is most likely a younger man, with some youthful exuberance that hasnt been totally squashed yet.  For the rest of them I would say they are about right.

Modifié par NWelf, 06 septembre 2011 - 11:13 .

[CalJones]

Elves live longer in D&D, but Dragon Age is not D&D. They're about the same as humans.

My take:

Duncan - 40s. Going by TSR and the fact he's getting close to his calling, I'd put him around 45.
Alistair - 21-24
Cailan - 25
Anora - 27
Morrigan - difficult to pinpoint but I'd say around 26 or thereabouts
Leliana - 26-30 - agreed on that
Zevran - 28-32
Sten - hard to say as Qunari lifespans aren't specified but given his rank and facial ageing, I'd say early to mid 40s
Loghain - 52-54
Oghren - 38-40
Wynne - 65- 70 - she says she's very old although she looks younger. But she talks like she's ancient.

[didiware]

I agree with the average of what people think here, there seems to be consensus on Leliana, Sten and so forth. I've got a few opinions though

To me it just seems as though PC is maybe a year or two older than Alistair, not based on looks or anything, but just the way PC talks to him. As though he's a little younger. And not because of his templar life and personality.

I would also say that Morrigan is somewhat older than PC (especially when played as a mage), she does seem to have a lot more insight on magic.

Zevran, well, he's got the most wrinkles (save Wynne) and I hardly think they'd send a newborn on a mission to kill a Grey Warden.

[ejoslin]

Zevran joined the crows at 7, though, so he most likely had at least 5 years, probably closer to 10, as an actual assassin even if he was 24. His face is weathered, but he also comes from a much warmer and sunnier climate.  

Edit: He also has quite a few facial scars that are evident at high resolutions which would add to the weathered look.

I actually think most of the toolset ages are probably accurate of the companions, with the exception of Alistair (confirmed wrong) and Loghain (though Loghain is close).  Other ages in there are obviously inaccurate, such as the Couslands.

As far as the warden's age, it really depends on Origin.  I think most are supposed to be 20, but the Dwarf Noble would most likely be about 23 given that Bhelen's toolset age is 21 and Trian's is 25.

Modifié par ejoslin, 09 septembre 2011 - 08:42 .