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[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

UniqueName001 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The point is that most Gaming Journalist like G4 aren't biased towards certain unlike IGN while this also happens with movie critics like how Ebert is normally unbiased while Rotten Tomatoes are usually biased.  Its really useless to complain about critics especially when its just another opinion and you're the one thats buying the game.  Btw the reason why Xplay doesn't make fun of Cliffy B is the same here why they insult Peter Molyneaux because of a thing called professionalism.

I'm not sure how professionalism relates to insulting some people and not others, but that is beside the point.  My point was that XPlay is biased, they are biased towards the developers and against the consumers, and because of the direction of that bias that I don't feel the need to pay attention to them anymore.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'm not sure that the opinions of professional game reviewers (specifically, "professional" in that they are being paid to do the reviews) are actually their own opinions, and not just the opinions that are best for their bottom line.

Pot calling the kettle black and you don't realize that reviews are just opinions just like you have opinions even when they're biased.

Stop using that phrase, you evidently don't know how and when to use it. 

As well as using that wrongly, you also missed the point he was making. It's not specifically about the reviews, it's about the company's general appearence on certain terms. They appear to have a closer relationship with the actual industry which may skew the reality in favour of profits. It's his opinion. 

Btw you don't clear don't have any professionalism.

I don't think he's a game journalist or developer, so that point is moot. 

He has some integrity though, coming to a negative realization about something and acting upon it, and then defending his view amicably. 

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Stop using that phrase, you evidently don't know how and when to use it. 

Insulting people won't help you like anyone else.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

As well as using that wrongly, you also missed the point he was making. It's not specifically about the reviews, it's about the company's general appearence on certain terms. They appear to have a closer relationship with the actual industry which may skew the reality in favour of profits. It's his opinion.

Ironically "pot calling the kettle black" is a phrase not a word and yet you're only focusing on the video game industry, which is contradictory.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I don't think he's a game journalist or developer, so that point is moot.

Yet that isn't invalid at all especially when he's going after specific people that focus on professionalism.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

He has some integrity though, coming to a negative realization about something and acting upon it, and then defending his view amicably.

Everyone has an opinion and a right to one while avoiding contructive comments won't help anyone.

[UniqueName001]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Pot calling the kettle black and you don't realize that reviews are just opinions just like you have opinions even when they're biased.

I'm having trouble following.  Are you saying that paid reviewers don't have biased opinions?  Or they do, but you think that's OK?

Reviews exist to inform the viewer if they should spend time and money on a given game.  If those reviews turn out to be biased toward the game developer, then they don't fulfill their purpose and should be ignored.

Blueprotoss wrote...

Btw you don't clear don't have any professionalism.

I have no idea where that came from, but I think you might have a biased opinion there.

Blueprotoss wrote...

UniqueName001 wrote...

The only bad precedent being set here is that developers can make claims in pre-release press that turn out to be false.

Lieing to make yourself feel better is a bad precedent and your "bad precedent" is just a red herring.

I don't think it's necessary to rehash this whole argument, long since overdone, but just off the top of my head - Hudson said there would not be an "A, B, or C ending" to the game, and we got... exactly an A, B, or C ending.  So, I'd be curious if you could explain how I am lying to myself (or anyone else, for that matter).

(edited for formatting)

Modifié par UniqueName001, 17 juillet 2012 - 08:44 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Insulting people won't help you like anyone else.

Insulting? Stop hiding behind that shield. You don't understand what it means, it's not my fault.

Ironically "pot calling the kettle black" is a phrase not a word

Yes, that's right. 

I didn't say it was a word, so........... yeah. Not seeing the irony. 

and yet you're only focusing on the video game industry, which is contradictory.

The point is specifically about the video-game industry. Strawmen, strawmen everywhere!

Yet that isn't invalid at all especially when he's going after specific people that focus on professionalism.

It's perfectly valid if he's not involved in the industry. You can't have professonalism in a job you don't have. I'm sure he has a perfectly fine level of professionalism in whatever job he has, or even in school, but I can't and won't judge, so the point is moot. 

Everyone has an opinion and a right to one while avoiding contructive comments won't help anyone.

Who's avoiding constructive comments?

[Baa Baa]

Lol they're being paranoid. And they probably know very little about the game itself.

[covertdrizzt]

no comment on the "journalists" from g4. don't wanna get the thread locked.

[Blueprotoss]

UniqueName001 wrote...

I'm having trouble following.  Are you saying that paid reviewers don't have biased opinions?  Or they do, but you think that's OK?

I didn't say whether or not critics are biased.  I did say that everyone has an 
opinion.

UniqueName001 wrote... 

Reviews exist to inform the viewer if they should spend time and money on a given game.  If those reviews turn out to be biased toward the game developer, then they don't fulfill their purpose and should be ignored.

Yet this is a red herring just like this can apply to anyone.

UniqueName001 wrote... 

I have no idea where that came from, but I think you might have a biased opinion there.

You sounded a little mad there.

UniqueName001 wrote...

Lieing to make yourself feel better is a bad precedent and your "bad precedent" is just a red herring.

I'm not lieing at all because nothing is complaint free.

UniqueName001 wrote... 

I don't think it's necessary to rehash this whole argument, long since overdone, but just off the top of my head - Hudson said there would not be an "A, B, or C ending" to the game, and we got... exactly an A, B, or C ending.  So, I'd be curious if you could explain how I am lying to myself (or anyone else, for that matter).

Ironically there weren't ABC endings since there were a lot small variation throughout the 16 endings.  More so it seems you should just move on.

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Insulting? Stop hiding behind that shield. You don't understand what it means, it's not my fault.

I'm not hiding at all while you're hiding behind petty insults because you can't a debate.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Yes, that's right. 

I didn't say it was a word, so........... yeah. Not seeing the irony.

You did say that I didn't know what those words meant.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

The point is specifically about the video-game industry. Strawmen, strawmen everywhere!

Yet you should be talking about the Movie, Music, Comic book, and Novel industry then otherwise its a straw-mann.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

It's perfectly valid if he's not involved in the industry. You can't have professonalism in a job you don't have. I'm sure he has a perfectly fine level of professionalism in whatever job he has, or even in school, but I can't and won't judge, so the point is moot.

Yet you can easily have professionalism as a journalist in any medium.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

Who's avoiding constructive comments?

You are.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 09:18 .

[wantedman dan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Who's avoiding constructive comments?

Just... don't bother with it, Mammoth. You'll continue until your patience wears out.

[Blueprotoss]

wantedman dan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Who's avoiding constructive comments?

Just... don't bother with it, Mammoth. You'll continue until your patience wears out.

Yet you don't practice what you preach, which I good reason for you not to give out advice.  Either way you're not interested in constructive comments.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Insulting? Stop hiding behind that shield. You don't understand what it means, it's not my fault.

I'm not hiding at all while you're hiding behind petty insults because you can't a debate.

This is the verbal equivalent of someone 'bruising like a peach'. If you find that insulting you need help. 

You did say that I didn't know what those words meant.

I specifically said 'phrase'. Saying 'words', as in plural, would also be correct. 

Yet you should be talking about the Movie, Music, Comic book, and Novel industry then otherwise its a straw-mann.

Why? This is the BioWare Social Network, the Mass Effect sub-forum, so why is anything but the video-game industry relevant. In fact, how is any of this relevant considering it's the story and campaign forum? 

Yet you can easily have professionalism as a journalist in any medium.

You can, but the point is that he doesn't think these journalists do. 

You are.

That doesn't make any sense at all. It takes two to tango, so you're about as constructive as I am. 

[Blueprotoss]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

This is the verbal equivalent of someone 'bruising like a peach'. If you find that insulting you need help.

Personally it doesn't affect me but you are using insults.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

I specifically said 'phrase'. Saying 'words', as in plural, would also be correct.  

This sounds like semantics.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

Why? This is the BioWare Social Network, the Mass Effect sub-forum, so why is anything but the video-game industry relevant. In fact, how is any of this relevant considering it's the story and campaign forum?
 

You do know that its BSN isn't limited to video games while thats why you should be talking about the Movie, Music, Comic book, and Novel industry.

The Night Mammoth wrote... 

You can, but the point is that he doesn't think these journalists do.

Yet thats just an opinion even when there are journalists in every medium that have professionalism.  He can think that while it isn't the truth.

The Night Mammoth wrote...  

That doesn't make any sense at all. It takes two to tango, so you're about as constructive as I am. 

I'm not the one being deconstructive and you can dance by yourself even when it looks rediculous.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 10:02 .

[BSpud]

I must say (/EdGrimley), not a log-in goes by where I don't become completely mesmerized by Blueptotoros' unique brand of self-assured word salad arguing.

[The Night Mammoth]

Blueprotoss wrote...
This sounds like semantics.

It looked like semantics the first time you brought it up. 

You do know that its BSN isn't limited to video games while thats why you should be talking about the Movie, Music, Comic book, and Novel industry.

This is specifically the Mass Effect 3 campaign and story discussion forum. If this argument is even relevant at all, which it's not, the four points you just mentioned aren't part of it. Even so, the point is specificallly about the video-game industry. 

Yet thats just an opinion even when there are journalists in every medium that have professionalism.

Obviously, but not the ones he mentioned, which was the point to begin with.

He can think that while it isn't the truth.

I haven't actually seen you put forward any sort of reasoned case as to why he's potentially wrong, which leads us on to...............

I'm not the one being deconstructive and you can dance by yourself even when it looks rediculous.

............... You not being constructive either. Nothing said for the last page has been anything remotely constructive, from me or you.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The EC really didn't change anything.

[marcustheMezz]

 The funny thing is that it is a precedent that has already been set, look at Fallout 3 and Broken Steel, it was essentially the same thing.
Also the precedent that would be set by not changing the ending would be worse, Bioware straight up lied to us about multiple things reguarding ME3 in general and the endings, not changing it would basically say that it's fine to make up a ton of bull about your game, the players are wrong for being angry about being lied to. It's like saying a glitch shouldn't be patched because it would violate the "coder's integrity"

[spamhead80]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

I must say (/EdGrimley), not a log-in goes by where I don't become completely mesmerized by Blueptotoros' unique brand of self-assured word salad arguing.

Blueprotoss exists in an adjacent dimension where words and phrases like "crying wolf", "strawman", "troll" and "pot calling kettle" mean entirely different things. In this world, Blueprotoss is a freaking GENIUS.

[UniqueName001]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]UniqueName001 wrote...

Lieing to make yourself feel better is a bad precedent and your "bad precedent" is just a red herring.[/quote]I'm not lieing at all because nothing is complaint free.[/quote][/quote]

Wow.  I never accused you of lying.  That was a quote from you, not from me (something the original post makes very clear).  You didn't even recognize your own writing there?

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

Ironically there weren't ABC endings since there were a lot small variation throughout the 16 endings.
[/quote]

If you truly believe this, then I don't think we are ever going to come to an agreement here.

I appreciate it, Night Mammoth, but I think I am going to take Mr. Protoss' advice and move on from this discussion.

[Ninja Stan]

Not ME3 story or campaign related.

End of line.

[sistersafetypin]

I just wish these idiots would realize you can't set a precedent if you're not the first to do it.