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Rannoch Reaper, and winning conventionally


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arial

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 hey,


when ever an arguement abut not being able to win conventionally, people often seem to say "Yes, we can, we killed the reaper on Rannoch".

the thing is we can't win Conventionally, no one ever said we can not kill a Reaper Conventionally. its the firepower required to kill a Reaper conventionally is substantial, and there are not enough ships in the Galaxy to put that much firepower on a fleet of them while being shot at.

So in the end, yes we can kill a single Reaper conventionally, but that does not mean we can win the war conventionally

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Khajiit Jzargo

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Prepare for flame war in 3,2,1!!!!!

OT-I disagree.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:34 .


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Jamie9

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A random BSN-er plays Mass Effect 3.

Every character in that game told him he couldn't beat the Reapers conventionally.

Goes ahead and tries to beat the Reapers conventionally.

Cycle dies.

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Tealjaker94

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Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Prepare for flame war in 3,2,1!!!!!

I'm not even gonna get involved this time. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show.

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Those Protheans

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They hit it with small fire, if they hit it with the bits guns Shepard would be a crater.

Modifié par Those Protheans, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:34 .


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Tealjaker94 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Prepare for flame war in 3,2,1!!!!!

I'm not even gonna get involved this time. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show.


Do eet!

:devil:

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SprectreWhoSaysNi

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If everyone refitted their ships with thanix cannons, I bet we could. Problem is, everyone except Shepard and the Salarians seem to have missed that memo...

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SprectreWhoSaysNi wrote...

If everyone refitted their ships with thanix cannons, I bet we could. Problem is, everyone except Shepard and the Salarians seem to have missed that memo...


I bet we couldn't... :innocent:

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Samtheman63

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yes

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Khajiit Jzargo

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Prepare for flame war in 3,2,1!!!!!

I'm not even gonna get involved this time. I'll just sit back and enjoy the show.

Exactly, no point.

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D24O

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I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.

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Tealjaker94

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D24O wrote...

I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.

Best argument I've seen yet.

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D24O wrote...

I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.


Shepard is a Prothean?!? Can't believe I played 3 games thinking he was human.

:lol:

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Tealjaker94 wrote...

D24O wrote...

I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.

Best argument I've seen yet.

Thank you.

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D24O wrote...

I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.

..you just won't give up on that will you...?

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Those Protheans

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Give me an ancient alien super ship any day.

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SprectreWhoSaysNi wrote...

If everyone refitted their ships with thanix cannons, I bet we could. Problem is, everyone except Shepard and the Salarians seem to have missed that memo...


Geth ships get Thanix if you talk to Allers nicely.

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arial wrote...

D24O wrote...

I agree, the Protheans lost, Shepard is a Prothean, and he is the hero of this cycle, So they can't win without some sort of superweapon or reaper off button.

..you just won't give up on that will you...?

One day I need to make a thread explaining my theory. But on topic, you are right, writers say we can't win, so we can't win, not without the superweapon. Simple as that.

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Issue a Cain missile for every soldier.

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DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Issue a Cain missile for every soldier.

would not help

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Jamie9 wrote...

A random BSN-er plays Mass Effect 3.

Every character in that game told him he couldn't beat the Reapers conventionally.

Goes ahead and tries to beat the Reapers conventionally.

Cycle dies.



I only ever remember Hackett telling me the Reapers couldn't be beaten conventionally. Then again, Hackett isn't really a bright light when it comes to tactics, seeing how spectacularly he lost against the Reaper forces, compared to the turians.


In any case, conventional victory would've been possible if BioWare hadn't been married on the idea of a magical Reaper off-switch device they pulled out of their asses.

Modifié par Zardoc, 09 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .


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arial wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Issue a Cain missile for every soldier.

would not help

Why not?

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Zardoc wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

A random BSN-er plays Mass Effect 3.

Every character in that game told him he couldn't beat the Reapers conventionally.

Goes ahead and tries to beat the Reapers conventionally.

Cycle dies.



I only ever remember Hackett telling me the Reapers couldn't be beaten conventionally. Then again, Hackett isn't really a bright light when it comes to tactics, seeing how spectacularly he lost against the Reaper forces, compared to the turians.

your camparison makes no sense, the Turians have the largest fleet in the galaxy (as Turian society requires people to serve). the Turian fleet is at least 4 times the size of the Alliances, and thats why the Turians held out much better

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Khajiit Jzargo

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Honestly, had everyone believed Shepard from the beginning, and prepared three years earlier. They might have been ready for a conventional war.

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DEATHSCOPE wrote...

arial wrote...

DEATHSCOPE wrote...

Issue a Cain missile for every soldier.

would not help

Why not?

Cain oneshot beating the reaper seems like an instance of gameplay superceeding plot. Although you could argue that Rannoch Reaper taking 4 volleys to be the same, as if the entire Quarian fleet (a bunch of which are armed with the Thanix cannons) really brought everything to bear on the reaper, there would be no boss fight and Shepard and co would be dead.