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[D24O]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I don't know, he felt the need to use some weird logic on me.

So basically this argument is pointless. 

[Brakensiek]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Assuming your count is accurate - 125 dreadnoughts - that means 31 reaper capital ships can be destroyed PER VOLLEY. 

And the dreadnought count doesn't factor in non-dreadnought class warships. 

This doesn't count Rachni fleet (which there should have been), it doesn't count mercenary ships, or cerberus vessels, it doesn't include special geth ships (like that ridiculously powerful dreadnought at rannoch)

The dreadnought count that was listed to you is the official count before the Reaper invasion.  How many dreadnoughts you think actually made it to the battle?  Not that many I suspect.  

[Vikali]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Honestly, had everyone believed Shepard from the beginning, and prepared three years earlier. They might have been ready for a conventional war.

This.

[LaughingDragon]

Brakensiek wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Assuming your count is accurate - 125 dreadnoughts - that means 31 reaper capital ships can be destroyed PER VOLLEY. 

And the dreadnought count doesn't factor in non-dreadnought class warships. 

This doesn't count Rachni fleet (which there should have been), it doesn't count mercenary ships, or cerberus vessels, it doesn't include special geth ships (like that ridiculously powerful dreadnought at rannoch)

The dreadnought count that was listed to you is the official count before the Reaper invasion.  How many dreadnoughts you think actually made it to the battle?  Not that many I suspect.  

a united fleet of dreadnoughts, with the support of the lesser ships, could jump into a system controlled by a few reapers and overwhelm them. The reapers are spread thin trying to control the entire galaxy in all the major clusters. The reapers aren't organized into a united fleet. From the galaxy map, looks like they are in every part of the galaxy? They are spread out.

So the galactic resistance could leverage gorilla tactics, hit and run system by system and take down reaper ships.

What about reapers that are planetside on the ground? Aren't those extremely vulnerable? Seems like many of them are sitting on the ground harvesting and could get blown away easily while they harvest. 

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 09 juillet 2012 - 09:38 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

arial wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Hades Cannon is referred in game as "Hades Cannon" or even "turret". While it shares some design with Reaper Destroyer, it also has differences. If game itself doesn't confirm what wiki says, wiki is most likely wrong. We have only visual data, everything else is just an interpretation.

It's a destroyer with a Hades cannon mounted on it, This doesn't change anything.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...
I don't know, he felt the need to use some weird logic on me.

So basically this argument is pointless. 

The one with him yeah.

[Jamie9]

If I'm honest, you would assume all the power and the Kinetic barriers were housed in the "head" of the Destroyer. The "Hades Cannon" replaces the head, so there wouldn't be any.

[Sgt Stryker]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You seem to be getting huffy? what's wrong. Anyway, Destroyers work on ground, not air.

There's no need for us to fight and insult each other, debate, sure, but we're talking about machines in a video game, it's not that serious. But destroyers are in the last space battle cutscene, they fly too.

Your the one who said "This is getting personal", and yes they fly, but the ones we encounter in ME are only in ground and they can be taken down by cains.

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You seem to be getting huffy? what's wrong. Anyway, Destroyers work on ground, not air.

There's no need for us to fight and insult each other, debate, sure, but we're talking about machines in a video game, it's not that serious. But destroyers are in the last space battle cutscene, they fly too.

Your the one who said "This is getting personal", and yes they fly, but the ones we encounter in ME are only in ground and they can be taken down by cains.

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

I know their not...

[Sgt Stryker]

Brakensiek wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Assuming your count is accurate - 125 dreadnoughts - that means 31 reaper capital ships can be destroyed PER VOLLEY. 

And the dreadnought count doesn't factor in non-dreadnought class warships. 

This doesn't count Rachni fleet (which there should have been), it doesn't count mercenary ships, or cerberus vessels, it doesn't include special geth ships (like that ridiculously powerful dreadnought at rannoch)

The dreadnought count that was listed to you is the official count before the Reaper invasion.  How many dreadnoughts you think actually made it to the battle?  Not that many I suspect.  

Where did this "per volley" nonsense come from?

[D24O]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

Why does this matter though? IMO it's a pretty pointless thing to argue. Both are reaper constructs, both sides can agree on that.

[Sgt Stryker]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You seem to be getting huffy? what's wrong. Anyway, Destroyers work on ground, not air.

There's no need for us to fight and insult each other, debate, sure, but we're talking about machines in a video game, it's not that serious. But destroyers are in the last space battle cutscene, they fly too.

Your the one who said "This is getting personal", and yes they fly, but the ones we encounter in ME are only in ground and they can be taken down by cains.

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

I know their not...

So why do you keep insisting that Cains can kill destroyers, despite no evidence from the game to back that up?

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 09 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .

[arial]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

arial wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Hades Cannon is referred in game as "Hades Cannon" or even "turret". While it shares some design with Reaper Destroyer, it also has differences. If game itself doesn't confirm what wiki says, wiki is most likely wrong. We have only visual data, everything else is just an interpretation.

It's a destroyer with a Hades cannon mounted on it, This doesn't change anything.

you are obviously trolling then, they have the same base and nothing else. they are never refered to as Reapers, they are refered to as Hades Cannons (or turrets).

seriously, we've proven you wrong, so just swallow your pride and and admit you were mistaken

[Tealjaker94]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Brakensiek wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Assuming your count is accurate - 125 dreadnoughts - that means 31 reaper capital ships can be destroyed PER VOLLEY. 

And the dreadnought count doesn't factor in non-dreadnought class warships. 

This doesn't count Rachni fleet (which there should have been), it doesn't count mercenary ships, or cerberus vessels, it doesn't include special geth ships (like that ridiculously powerful dreadnought at rannoch)

The dreadnought count that was listed to you is the official count before the Reaper invasion.  How many dreadnoughts you think actually made it to the battle?  Not that many I suspect.  

a united fleet of dreadnoughts, with the support of the lesser ships, could jump into a system controlled by a few reapers and overwhelm them. The reapers are spread thin trying to control the entire galaxy in all the major clusters. The reapers aren't organized into a united fleet.

So the galactic resistance could leverage gorilla tactics, hit and run system by system and take down reaper ships.

What about reapers that are planetside on the ground? Aren't those extremely vulnerable like that? Seems like many of them are sitting on the ground harvesting and could get blown away like that.

First of all it's guerilla tactics. A gorilla is a large primate. 
Second, guerilla tactics are effective when you can use small units that are more mobile than your adversary. A fleet of dreadnoughts is hardly small and it's canon that the Reapers are much faster than us. You try this tactic and you're just making it easier for the Reapers to wipe you out in one fell swoop.

[Jamie9]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Where did this "per volley" nonsense come from?

I has assumed it would take 3-4 dreadnoughts to take down a Soveriegn-class through concentrated firepower, and in that time, other Reapers would likely destroy the dreadnoughts.

[Apollo-XL5]

why do people keep going on about the rachni, for one there is no empire,just one queen and her drones, so I am guessing they only have one capital ship, so that is why you dont get any fleet action from them, plus it is repeatedly said that the rachni only help with the crucible.

Since the rachni are nearly extinct (except for ONE queen). They would not have many ships.

[Sgt Stryker]

D24O wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

Why does this matter though? IMO it's a pretty pointless thing to argue. Both are reaper constructs, both sides can agree on that.

Because he keeps insisting that the Tuchanka and Rannoch battles could have been decided by one soldier with a Cain, and that the combined armies of the galaxy spent months fighting a war without figuring this out.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You seem to be getting huffy? what's wrong. Anyway, Destroyers work on ground, not air.

There's no need for us to fight and insult each other, debate, sure, but we're talking about machines in a video game, it's not that serious. But destroyers are in the last space battle cutscene, they fly too.

Your the one who said "This is getting personal", and yes they fly, but the ones we encounter in ME are only in ground and they can be taken down by cains.

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

I know their not...

So why do you keep insisting that Cains can kill destroyers, despite no evidence from the game to back that up?

Because I believe you killed a destroyer on priority earth, haven't you paid any attention to what arial and me have been arguing?

[Brakensiek]

LaughingDragon wrote...

a united fleet of dreadnoughts, with the support of the lesser ships, could jump into a system controlled by a few reapers and overwhelm them. The reapers are spread thin trying to control the entire galaxy in all the major clusters. The reapers aren't organized into a united fleet.

So the galactic resistance could leverage gorilla tactics, hit and run system by system and take down reaper ships.

What about reapers that are planetside on the ground? Aren't those extremely vulnerable like that? Seems like many of them are sitting on the ground harvesting and could get blown away like that.

If it takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to take down a single Reaper dreadnought then how many would it take to take down a single destroyer?  The ratio is in the Reaper's favor.  Even if they do manage to defeat the fortified force over Earth there still is a matter of the rest of the Reapers.  How many ships would have they lost trying to win the battle at Earth and just how exhausted will they be?  Reapers have control over the planets that are being over run by Reaper ground troops and they could easily block off any supply routes.  Reapers do not need food, water, medical attention and have seemingly unlimited energy.  When it comes down to it the Reapers will win not only by strenght but also by war of attrition. 

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

It's a destroyer with a Hades cannon mounted on it, This doesn't change anything.

It's a Destroyer model (or partial model) with a Hades Cannon mounted on it. That means it can be a Destroyer, or not. Shepard talks about it only as "turret", "gun" or "Hades Cannon". While no proof either, it's an arguement towards it not being a Reaper.

[Phlander]

@ the OP none of the quarian ships used their main guns, they were shown broadsiding the planet, and their main guns would have easily killed Shepard. A spinal mounted mass accelerator is a lot more powerful than a 2 meter long turret barrel.

Modifié par Phlander, 09 juillet 2012 - 09:47 .

[Jamie9]

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

It's a destroyer with a Hades cannon mounted on it, This doesn't change anything.

It's a Destroyer model (or partial model) with a Hades Cannon mounted on it. That means it can be a Destroyer, or not. Shepard talks about it only as "turret", "gun" or "Hades Cannon". While no proof either, it's an arguement towards it not being a Reaper.

Regardless, it's missing the space where all of a Destroyer's core systems likely are: the head.

[Sgt Stryker]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

D24O wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

You seem to be getting huffy? what's wrong. Anyway, Destroyers work on ground, not air.

There's no need for us to fight and insult each other, debate, sure, but we're talking about machines in a video game, it's not that serious. But destroyers are in the last space battle cutscene, they fly too.

Your the one who said "This is getting personal", and yes they fly, but the ones we encounter in ME are only in ground and they can be taken down by cains.

Seriously, stop perpetuating this myth. Destroyers =/= Hades Cannons.

I know their not...

So why do you keep insisting that Cains can kill destroyers, despite no evidence from the game to back that up?

Because I believe you killed a destroyer on priority earth, haven't you paid any attention to what arial and me have been arguing?

Show me where this happens, and I'll shut up.

[Vikali]

Who... even gives a damn what the thing was? It was a reaper THING. And if a million soldiers were running around with cains, there would be a lot of other dead soldiers. Just because you and your team have player/plot armor when one of those goes off, doesn't mean it'd be wise to stick in everyone's hand.

Modifié par Vikali, 09 juillet 2012 - 09:46 .

[Apollo-XL5]

Brakensiek wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

a united fleet of dreadnoughts, with the support of the lesser ships, could jump into a system controlled by a few reapers and overwhelm them. The reapers are spread thin trying to control the entire galaxy in all the major clusters. The reapers aren't organized into a united fleet.

So the galactic resistance could leverage gorilla tactics, hit and run system by system and take down reaper ships.

What about reapers that are planetside on the ground? Aren't those extremely vulnerable like that? Seems like many of them are sitting on the ground harvesting and could get blown away like that.

If it takes 3 or 4 dreadnoughts to take down a single Reaper dreadnought then how many would it take to take down a single destroyer?  The ratio is in the Reaper's favor.  Even if they do manage to defeat the fortified force over Earth there still is a matter of the rest of the Reapers.  How many ships would have they lost trying to win the battle at Earth and just how exhausted will they be?  Reapers have control over the planets that are being over run by Reaper ground troops and they could easily block off any supply routes.  Reapers do not need food, water, medical attention and have seemingly unlimited energy.  When it comes down to it the Reapers will win not only by strenght but also by war of attrition. 

The EC shows plain as day, that the reapers are in force all around the galaxy, not just holed up at earth, so even if th fleet had beaten them at earth, they would have had so many loses, the fleet much smaller than it was to start with, that these is no way on hell, that the same fleet could take out the reapers at every other world.
This arguement is void....
As the borg say "resistance is futile!"