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[sirrealist8]

Gecon wrote...

Wynne isnt evil.

Get your hands on Wynne. Shes the good mage in the game and she's the healer. You get her at the Mage Tower.

Don't post spoilers in a non-spoiler forum.

[GhostMatter]

Gracchio wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Well, it seems the OP is more interested in idle chatter than actually solving his problem. I'm out.

How unfair, calling this idle chatter. We're just trying to tell OP the world isn't nice and no one will save you but yourself. That's a valuable lesson for anyone.

Trying to harden him, eh?

Anyway, I'm out too. This has gone off-topic for a while.

This needs to be changed to the spoilers forum too.

[Gaxe]

Burglekut wrote...

GhostMatter wrote...

People need to be more understanding and stop insulting the original poster. It happens that people have trouble with it because it's not their main hobby. *sigh* I don't even know why I bother to visit forums anymore.

The OP just needs to calm down and rethink his strategies and party make-up beyong who's who but what he NEEDS.

He's already made a fool of himself on here with his rage posts.  It's not like our "insults" are going to make him look any more dumb.  If this part of the game was such a problem, many more people would be complaining about it than just this unique snowflake.  It turns out that none of us others have a problem with it, and we don't suggest a patch to make it easier for someone who can't even go through EASY mode.

Gaxe, maybe you should spend your time going to church instead of playing Dragon Age.  Hopefully you are able to open the door to the church just fine, so that you don't rage to the preacher that he needs to patch it for you.

Ok let's keep religion out of it ok? He asked and I answered.

I haven't made a fool of myself. I'm strong enough to admit when I have a problem and express it freely to people who have the same interest as me (dragon age).  You guys have played more than me, I have employed your strategies and failed (sucks).

I'm just upset that i'm playing on easy and it's so hard. 

[Burglekut]

Gaxe, you should probably spend more time in church than on Dragon Age since you obviously fail at it. Hopefully you're able to open the door to the church so you don't have to send a rage letter to the preacher asking him to patch it for you.

[rabbitchannel]

Gracchio wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Well, it seems the OP is more interested in idle chatter than actually solving his problem. I'm out.

How unfair, calling this idle chatter. We're just trying to tell OP the world isn't nice and no one will save you but yourself. That's a valuable lesson for anyone.

lol. However true that may be, learning it will not automatically give him the skill or know-how to beat the encounter. I come here to talk about the game, not learn life lessons. 

[adembroski11]

I like to break strategies down to the simplest terms possible, and in DA:O, I think the simplest way to build an effective strategy is to focus on minimizing incoming attacks and maximizing outgoing damage.



Anything that stuns your opponent is of immense value, and anything that rids you of a potential incoming attacker is of immense value. I started out this game by focusing on eliminating major opponents first, but I found fairly quickly it's better to neutralize these opponents (tank them) while you clean up the minor opponents first. By focusing on the big guys, you encourage the little guys to swarm you.



The exception to this is magic users. The ability to deliver massive damage to your entire party at once can be crippling, so you always want to deal with them ASAP... otherwise, again, neutralize the powerful enemies well enough that you can concentrate on cleaning up the swarmers. Then finish the bosses last. An extremely powerful warrior is still only able to attack one of you at a time, and with only one attack at a time.

[Burglekut]

Gaxe wrote...
Ok let's keep religion out of it ok? He asked and I answered.

I haven't made a fool of myself. I'm strong enough to admit when I have a problem and express it freely to people who have the same interest as me (dragon age).  You guys have played more than me, I have employed your strategies and failed (sucks).

I'm just upset that i'm playing on easy and it's so hard. 

We're well aware why you are upset, no one is confused about that.  Just to state it again, so you are well-aware that we understand - you are failing at a game on EASY mode because you are a scrub.  You want a patch to make the game easier so that retards (like you) can go through the game with no difficulties (on EASY mode).  You've definitely made a fool of yourself.  If you've read the strategies people have given to you and are still failling, please find a new hobby and stop playing this game.  Thanks for giving BioWare your money for the game though, so they can continue to make great games such as Dragon Age for the rest of us who don't suck like you.

[SheffSteel]

Gracchio wrote...

rab****annel wrote...

Well, it seems the OP is more interested in idle chatter than actually solving his problem. I'm out.

How unfair, calling this idle chatter. We're just trying to tell OP the world isn't nice and no one will save you but yourself. That's a valuable lesson for anyone.

No it isn't; it's a philosophy.

I agree with the rabbit. Gaxe has ignored good faith responses and wandered off topic. At this point there's no way to distinguish Gaxe from a troll who's trying to portray the worst conceivable DAO player.

[Burglekut]

SheffSteel wrote...
I agree with the rabbit. Gaxe has ignored good faith responses and wandered off topic. At this point there's no way to distinguish Gaxe from a troll who's trying to portray the worst conceivable DAO player.

So true, however some people aren't trolling...they're just really that stupid.  Example - Gaxe.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Ok just a thought, you say that you messed up your saves before this fight, state you've just come out of Lothering. I can't recall any 'random encounters' with shades, which means that you must be either on one of the main quests or one of the DLC quests.



First question, did you switch off auto-saves? If not then you should potentially have an auto-save that will take you out of this 'fight' area. If you did switch them off and you've left it to doing 'quick saves' and if you are where I think you are... (south-west corner of the world map?) then in theory the best option would be to do this. Start kiting the monsters, but at some point get one or more of your members ot tank them whilst dragging one of your other members away from the combat back to whereever you entered the area. Preferably make sure there is a big distance between where you stop and the entrance because the plan is to get your party members killed and for you to lose aggro. When you lose aggro, the shades should start heading back to where they spawned (in theory) and you should then be able to go get your party members and then walk back to the entrance and get out.



In theory this should work in most places. I know I did this tactic on my first playthrough when I had a similar situation in a place in Denerim (not saying where due to this being a no spoiler zone).



Then you can try following some of the earlier advice about best places to go first.

[PendleSoft]

Have you tried the good old BG ambush tactic? Find a safe choke point and stand you party there. Then go and get one shade to chase you into your ambush , give it the pounding it so rightly deserves  and go get the next one. Repeat until all beasties squished. Satisfying and legitimate....

[Gracchio]

adembroski11 wrote...

break strategies down to the simplest terms possible

Grab the largest, shiniest weapon you can find. Pound.

Works every time!

[Gecon]

sirrealist8 wrote...

Gecon wrote...

Wynne isnt evil.

Get your hands on Wynne. Shes the good mage in the game and she's the healer. You get her at the Mage Tower.

Don't post spoilers in a non-spoiler forum.

Wynne is not the secret companion, so that part is definitely no spoiler at all.

All I told him was WHERE to go to get her. Not HOW to get her there or anything. I dont think no spoilers means you cant give little hints.

Also, he's going to give up the game completely otherwise. Do you really want that ?

[Davvbuzz]

If you really find it impossible to pass this point, you can always follow the steps shown here:



http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Console



Whilst in game access it using the tilde key and type in : runscript killallhostiles



You will recieve all XP, the mobs will drop items and story/quest triggers will work as normal.



Problem solved.

[Burglekut]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Ok just a thought, you say that you messed up your saves before this fight, state you've just come out of Lothering. I can't recall any 'random encounters' with shades, which means that you must be either on one of the main quests or one of the DLC quests.

First question, did you switch off auto-saves? If not then you should potentially have an auto-save that will take you out of this 'fight' area. If you did switch them off and you've left it to doing 'quick saves' and if you are where I think you are... (south-west corner of the world map?) then in theory the best option would be to do this. Start kiting the monsters, but at some point get one or more of your members ot tank them whilst dragging one of your other members away from the combat back to whereever you entered the area. Preferably make sure there is a big distance between where you stop and the entrance because the plan is to get your party members killed and for you to lose aggro. When you lose aggro, the shades should start heading back to where they spawned (in theory) and you should then be able to go get your party members and then walk back to the entrance and get out.

In theory this should work in most places. I know I did this tactic on my first playthrough when I had a similar situation in a place in Denerim (not saying where due to this being a no spoiler zone).

Then you can try following some of the earlier advice about best places to go first.

All the advice he needs to advance in the game has already been given to him on the first page of this thread he made.  If he is still unable to improve after all that information has already been provided to him, there's nothing more we can do.  At this point, we can conclude that he's just terrible at the game.

[anarex]

This whole thread is disturbing. I read this article once on the escapist from a higher up at Bethsda that talked about the importance of making games as easy as possible. Here, found it

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=22313

Assuming this poster is not a troll, and I don't think he is, its proof the author's idea had some merit. More and more people like this poster are playing games now, and not just casual games. Whats more, they demand to be treated as thou they have been playing games all their life. I am not ok with this.

Look at this quote from Bethsda, "Your easiest setting should basically be push button, win game. You will think that it can't be made easier, that there are no wall missions. You will be wrong. Make it easier.Give them an out."

The problem is that you can't program two different games. The easiest setting is still using the same basic game mechanics.  Dumbing down games this far makes even the highest difficulty setting trivial for experienced players.

Take Fallout 3 for example, since that was a Bethsda game. Even on Very Hard, Fallout 3 is a cake walk after about the 5 hour mark. Do you remember the final boss in Fallout 3? Oh wait, there was no final boss. You just walk along side this massive nuke throwing laser shooting ultimate engine of doom as he does all the work for you. Gaxe is why there was no final boss in Fallout 3. Designers are not going to make one game with a boss on very hard and no boss on very easy. It just won't ever happen.

Dragon Age was in development for I think five years. Its Bioware's first attempt to create its own fantasy world and rule set. In less than a month people have completely figured out how to build the best characters and run through the game without any real resistance. The worst part being that the best builds don't even require any serious micro management to absolutely just tear through content. Thats sad. I expected there to be no best build, only the best build for this situation. I never imagined there would be a simple method to run nightmare without worry.

But, this thread is why. You just can't make games hard anymore. People get very upset. Its not like experienced players did not go through these problems. We just had them happen at a much younger age. I got seriously stuck in RPGs before when I was a kid all the time. I messed up characters, didn't understand party balance, and didn't know how to spot powerful and useless abilities at a glance. It just takes time. These skills absoultely transfer over from game to game.

Dragon age introduced something that is relatively new for people that have never played MMORPGS, crowd control and aggro management. I promise you, if stick with it you will "get" these concepts and be able to use them in tons of games. It just takes time and experience like everything else.

If developers cater to people who just decided to try out real games its only going to make it so experienced gamers have nothing to play. I have no idea why new gamers aren't required to go through the same basic training we all had to deal with.

Modifié par anarex, 16 décembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[Burglekut]

Gecon wrote...

Also, he's going to give up the game completely otherwise. Do you really want that ?

One less moron on the forums?  Sounds good!

[Gracchio]

Burglekut wrote...

Gecon wrote...

Also, he's going to give up the game completely otherwise. Do you really want that ?

One less moron on the forums?  Sounds good!

No worries, ill still be here

[SheffSteel]

Actually, Ulrich mentioned something that was at the back of my mind too.



Why doesn't Gaxe just load an auto save? It's believable that an innocent player would save over their one game slot - that's the sort of thing that happens all to often - but deleting the auto saves too? That sounds like someone who's really trying hard to dig themselves into a hole... if you believe it.

[whtnyte-raernst]

Troll. No one could possibly be this poor at the game, yet able to figure out how to post three separate topics. all of the same type, (that I know of) in the two of the forums that you can access without registering your game.



Then spend 2+ hours working THIS particular topic while complaining that they don't have enough time to fool with the combat aspect of the game...

[Gracchio]

SheffSteel wrote...

Actually, Ulrich mentioned something that was at the back of my mind too.

Why doesn't Gaxe just load an auto save? It's believable that an innocent player would save over their one game slot - that's the sort of thing that happens all to often - but deleting the auto saves too? That sounds like someone who's really trying hard to dig themselves into a hole... if you believe it.

Honestly speaking, one game slot isn't that strange. Just like real life, only make the choices you aren't going to regret later or don't whine about them as YOU are the person who made the choice.

[Burglekut]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

Troll. No one could possibly be this poor at the game, yet able to figure out how to post three separate topics. all of the same type, (that I know of) in the two of the forums that you can access without registering your game.

Then spend 2+ hours working THIS particular topic while complaining that they don't have enough time to fool with the combat aspect of the game...

While you make a good point, he's not trolling at all.  He seriously just fails at this game that badly.

[Cybercat999]

anarex wrote...

This whole thread is disturbing. I read this article once on the escapist from a higher up at Bethsda that talked about the importance of making games as easy as possible. Here, found it

http://www.gamasutra...php?story=22313

Assuming this poster is not a troll, and I don't think he is, its proof the author's idea had some merit. More and more people like this poster are playing games now, and not just casual games. Whats more, they demand to be treated as thou they have been playing games all their life. I am not ok with this.

Look at this quote from Bethsda, "Your easiest setting should basically be push button, win game. You will think that it can't be made easier, that there are no wall missions. You will be wrong. Make it easier.Give them an out."

The problem is that you can't program two different games. The easiest setting is still using the same basic game mechanics.  Dumbing down games this far makes even the highest difficulty setting trivial for experienced players.

Take Fallout 3 for example, since that was a Bethsda game. Even on Very Hard, Fallout 3 is a cake walk after about the 5 hour mark. Do you remember the final boss in Fallout 3? Oh wait, there was no final boss. You just walk along side this massive nuke throwing laser shooting ultimate engine of doom as he does all the work for you. Gaxe, is why there was no final boss in Fallout 3. Designers are not going to make one game with a boss on very hard and no boss on very easy. It just won't ever happen.

Dragon Age was in development for I think five years. Its Bioware's first attempt to create its own fantasy world and rule set. In less than a month people have completely figured out how to build the best characters and run through the game without any real resistance. The worst part being that the best builds don't even require any serious micro management to absolutely just tear through content. Thats sad. I expected there to be no best build, only the best build for this situation. I never imagined there would be a simple method to run nightmare without worry.

But, this thread is why. You just can't make games hard anymore. People get very upset. Its not like experienced players did not go through these problems. We just had them happen at a much younger age. I got seriously stuck in RPGs before when I was a kid all the time. I messed up characters, didn't understand party balance, and didn't know how to spot powerful and useless abilities  at glance. It just takes time. These skills absoultely transfer over from game to game.

Dragon age introduced something that is relatively new for people that have never played MMORPGS, crowd control and aggro management. I promise you, if stick with it you will "get" these concepts and be able to use them in tons of games. It just takes time and experience like everything else.

If developers cater to people who just decided to try out real games its only going to make it so experienced gamers have nothing to play. I have no idea why new gamers aren't required to go through the same basic training we all had to deal with.

Great post.
Cybercat approves +37.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Burglekut wrote...

Gecon wrote...

Also, he's going to give up the game completely otherwise. Do you really want that ?

One less moron on the forums?  Sounds good!

I guess someone needs reminding of the Terms of Service of this site/forum.

From Point 10 - Rules of Conduct

You may violate the terms of service if you - Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to
another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted
messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual
orientation, religion, heritage, etc.

Some of the others posting in this topic might want to remind themself of it too.

[Burglekut]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Burglekut wrote...

Gecon wrote...

Also, he's going to give up the game completely otherwise. Do you really want that ?

One less moron on the forums?  Sounds good!

I guess someone needs reminding of the Terms of Service of this site/forum.

From Point 10 - Rules of Conduct

You may violate the terms of service if you - Harass, threaten, embarrass, or do anything else to
another player that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted
messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual
orientation, religion, heritage, etc.

Some of the others posting in this topic might want to remind themself of it too.

I didn't see where 'stating facts' was against the TOS.