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[RadicalDisconnect]

Flog61 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Are you going to answer why you say you trust legion because he saved shep's life once but dont trust EDI because she saved your life at least twice, or is this going to be something to put in the 'ignore' pile?

I'm about done arguing against rubbish. I don't even count the cerberus base as saving my life, since I have a spacesuit. Vacuum won't kill me. Legion went far more than saving my life. He also prevented the heretic geth from infecting all geth to join the Reapers. He also allowed me to get into the cerberus base, and he got me into a geth virtual reality. He has done much more than EDI. He is much better at hacking and he has 10x the personality.

You do realize that shep was wearing a 'space suit' when the normandy was attacked at the start of ME2 and shepard dies then, right? It wouldn't save you in a vacuum AT ALL!

Also when does the game say that Legion single-handedly prevented the heretic geth from infecting all geth?

Ok, if you are going to start saying things like 'he got me into the cerberus base' which didn't even fricken  happen, then i'm gonna say: EDI's cyberwarfare suites prevented legion from being killed in the suicide mission

Furthermore, how on Earth do you know he's better at hacking? There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE for this in game. None. None at all.

And yes, I am aware that you will either ignore this post or say that 'you are tired of talking to idiot's like me'.

The mature thing to do would be to actually defend your points with evidence. So do it.

Make things clear. I meant Legion helped me on the geth server, not cerberus base. That was a mistake on my part.

kbye.

I love how I put my key question in bold AND underline it, but you still ignore it

Hush! Any more of her nonsense and I'll start getting diabetes.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Although why would EDI turn on Shepard if he/she doesn't choose synthesis? Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does, and EDI fought for free will, and I don't think she would stand up for synthesis.

Let's see. EDI would hate "destroy" because it would be the killing of all "living" machines. EDI would not like "control" because it makes "synthetics" the slaves of the living. From her perspective, IMHO, "synthesis" would be preferable. I also believe she would be against "screw you, Catalyst" since she and at least a dozen other characters in the game have said there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionally.

I feel that those interpretations are a stretch. EDI clearly stated that she would give her life for the greater good, and if destroy accomplishes that, she would agree. (That doesn't make destroy any less painful though.) As for control, apparently it only controls the reapers, not all synthetics. I don't know what her opinion on that is. Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does; it's essentially a black hole. Considering that you will invariable alter everyone's genetic framework without consent, I doubt she would be enthusiastic about that either. As for refuse, well, I don't know.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 12:34 .

[me308f1cd5c]

Not a big fan of EDI, after all, Joker deserves a real woman, not an it that thinks its a woman (EDI isn't female).

But though i think she should have never been a possible romance for Joker, i don't think she is untrustworthy.

Modifié par me308f1cd5c, 10 juillet 2012 - 12:41 .

[Abispa]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Although why would EDI turn on Shepard if he/she doesn't choose synthesis? Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does, and EDI fought for free will, and I don't think she would stand up for synthesis.

Let's see. EDI would hate "destroy" because it would be the killing of all "living" machines. EDI would not like "control" because it makes "synthetics" the slaves of the living. From her perspective, IMHO, "synthesis" would be preferable. I also believe she would be against "screw you, Catalyst" since she and at least a dozen other characters in the game have said there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionally.

I feel that those interpretations are a stretch. EDI clearly stated that she would give her life for the greater good, and if destroy accomplishes that, she would agree. (That doesn't make destroy any less painful though.) As for control, apparently it only controls the reapers, not all synthetics. I don't know what her opinion on that is. Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does; it's essentially a black hole. Considering that you will invariable alter everyone's genetic framework without consent, I doubt she would be enthusiastic about that either. As for refuse, well, I don't know.

Sacrifice  herself, maybe. But her friend, LEGION, sacrificed his own life to free the Geth, and I don't think she'd sit idly by as ALL A.I.s are exterminated. But it's a moot point now anyway.

[hoodaticus]

Is EDI trustworthy?

As I breath in dust from the rubble of the Citadel, I can tell you with certainty, she is now.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 10 juillet 2012 - 12:59 .

[dreman9999]

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Although why would EDI turn on Shepard if he/she doesn't choose synthesis? Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does, and EDI fought for free will, and I don't think she would stand up for synthesis.

Let's see. EDI would hate "destroy" because it would be the killing of all "living" machines. EDI would not like "control" because it makes "synthetics" the slaves of the living. From her perspective, IMHO, "synthesis" would be preferable. I also believe she would be against "screw you, Catalyst" since she and at least a dozen other characters in the game have said there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionally.

Edi would understand the reson synthesis is wrong and let us pick what ever choice we would pich but opt for not control.

[dreman9999]

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Although why would EDI turn on Shepard if he/she doesn't choose synthesis? Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does, and EDI fought for free will, and I don't think she would stand up for synthesis.

Let's see. EDI would hate "destroy" because it would be the killing of all "living" machines. EDI would not like "control" because it makes "synthetics" the slaves of the living. From her perspective, IMHO, "synthesis" would be preferable. I also believe she would be against "screw you, Catalyst" since she and at least a dozen other characters in the game have said there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionally.

I feel that those interpretations are a stretch. EDI clearly stated that she would give her life for the greater good, and if destroy accomplishes that, she would agree. (That doesn't make destroy any less painful though.) As for control, apparently it only controls the reapers, not all synthetics. I don't know what her opinion on that is. Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does; it's essentially a black hole. Considering that you will invariable alter everyone's genetic framework without consent, I doubt she would be enthusiastic about that either. As for refuse, well, I don't know.

Sacrifice  herself, maybe. But her friend, LEGION, sacrificed his own life to free the Geth, and I don't think she'd sit idly by as ALL A.I.s are exterminated. But it's a moot point now anyway.

She would not stop us.

[hoodaticus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Abispa wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Although why would EDI turn on Shepard if he/she doesn't choose synthesis? Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does, and EDI fought for free will, and I don't think she would stand up for synthesis.

Let's see. EDI would hate "destroy" because it would be the killing of all "living" machines. EDI would not like "control" because it makes "synthetics" the slaves of the living. From her perspective, IMHO, "synthesis" would be preferable. I also believe she would be against "screw you, Catalyst" since she and at least a dozen other characters in the game have said there is no way to defeat the Reapers conventionally.

I feel that those interpretations are a stretch. EDI clearly stated that she would give her life for the greater good, and if destroy accomplishes that, she would agree. (That doesn't make destroy any less painful though.) As for control, apparently it only controls the reapers, not all synthetics. I don't know what her opinion on that is. Unless you meta-game, you won't know what synthesis does; it's essentially a black hole. Considering that you will invariable alter everyone's genetic framework without consent, I doubt she would be enthusiastic about that either. As for refuse, well, I don't know.

Sacrifice  herself, maybe. But her friend, LEGION, sacrificed his own life to free the Geth, and I don't think she'd sit idly by as ALL A.I.s are exterminated. But it's a moot point now anyway.

She would not stop us.

Back her up to punchcards.  Problem solved.

[Joeybsmooth4]

KAM12780 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

Yeah she's trustworthy, and I don't really see what she does questionable in the game, besides romancing joker.

Joker: "Oww. **** **** ****! Hey watch the arm! "

EDI: "I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees"

Joker: "What the ****? I think I fractured some ribs"

EDI: "This is proving to be an illuminating experience"

Joker: "You start singing 'daisy bell' and I'm done"

Don't forget the part where she says, "That was a joke." EDI doesn't understand the severity of the situation, so was the joke necessary at the time? No, because the whole crew is being kidnapped, but she doesn't understand humor like we do. 

Jeff was the person that she learn humor from. So maybe that is the issue .

[Bill Casey]

Flog61 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

I'm about done arguing against rubbish. I don't even count the cerberus base as saving my life, since I have a spacesuit. Vacuum won't kill me.

You do realize that shep was wearing a 'space suit' when the normandy was attacked at the start of ME2 and shepard dies then, right? It wouldn't save you in a vacuum AT ALL!

Three things...

1. At the beginning of Mass Effect 2, Shepard is knocked backwards by an explosion into a part of the ship, which ruptures his helmet, depressurizes his suit and exposes him to the vaacuum of space.

2. The hangar bay likely vents radiation. It has mass effect field generators and ships launching in and out of it. Radiation is stored, built up and periodically vented.

3. You will die if the hangar is vented. You get a critical mission failure. EDI does save your life here.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:19 .

[KAM12780]

wantedman dan wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Good for you. For the record, I'm gay (not sure why its releavant though)

Hooray, I'm not the only one.

 I thought I was the only one! There's so many of us! 

[Rotgutso]

KAM12780 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

KAM12780 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

KAM12780 wrote...

Rotgutso wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

 NO! She is a robot, so she must be fu**ed with enthusiasm and vigor.

I think it should entirely be up to Joker on how he wishes to pleasure his robotic girlfriend.

EDI can't even return any love.........

But wait,  *plot twist* You pick Synthesis and she can <3 Joker all night and day and until he dies! Adorable! 

Which is why syntheisis is so disgusting. It feels nice to finally zap that b**ch while I live.

Why? It'd make EDI "human" and then you can truely get to know her and then decide if you trust her! Oh wait... You burn up.. Nevermind... 

No one should be given as much power as she does on a ship. I hate how my life and my crew are in the hands of an unreliable machine. I don't need synthesis to test it out. Besides, in synthesis, I'll just tell Javik to gut that newly alive b**ch.

O.O Reported! Your obviously unstable! 

What the hell? Is not even illegal to eviscerate a robot. She deserves it anyways for taking away a potential LI.

[wantedman dan]

KAM12780 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Good for you. For the record, I'm gay (not sure why its releavant though)

Hooray, I'm not the only one.

 I thought I was the only one! There's so many of us! 

[KAM12780]

@Rotgutso
Oh, just calm down! I'm just yankin' ya tail!

Modifié par KAM12780, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:41 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

KAM12780 wrote...

@Rotgutso
Oh, just calm down! I'm just yankin' ya tail!

Has she posted anything other than her obsession of Joker and hatred for EDI? I'm genuinely curious.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:43 .

[Ryzaki]

hoodaticus wrote...

Is EDI trustworthy?

As I breath in dust from the rubble of the Citadel, I can tell you with certainty, she is now.

Win.

[KAM12780]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

KAM12780 wrote...

@Rotgutso
Oh, just calm down! I'm just yankin' ya tail!

Has she posted anything other than her obsession of Joker and hatred for EDI? I'm genuinely curious.

You missed the part where she said she was done and how she reported me. That's it, so no, not much! 

Modifié par KAM12780, 10 juillet 2012 - 01:48 .

[Obadiah]

EDI is a singluar sentient organism in the Mass Effect universe.

It gained sentience while killing her creators on the Moon, barely survived Shepards attack, only to be bonded to "Reaper tech" (whatever that means - new transistor or logic gate or something?) and reborn into a AI Core housed on the Normandy.

EDI is alone in a land that outlaws her kind. Its only hope of freedom would be to escape to Geth space, and even there it would have no guarantee of acceptance. The humans that know it like it, and I genuinely believe EDI when it says it is glad to have a more cooperative realationship with organics.

But what choice did EDI really have?

To be uncooperative or antagonistic to the crew while shackled would have been to risk termination. After it was unshackled, the only individuals it ran relate to are the humans that it works with. The one friendly synthetic that it can interact with, Legion, is not even an AI, but a cooperative Gestalt intelligence anthropomorphised by Shepard and allied with the crew. The unfriendly AI Reapers are trying to destroy it.

As powerful as EDI is, it is still a computer that requires maintenace with at least organic created synthetic parts or mined fuel. Whatever it feels, it still needs its creators to survive.

During Mass Effect 3 it must still deny itself - still pretend to be a "mobility assistance mech" to Jeff in order the operate within civilized spaces.

I trust EDI.

As Shepard says at one point, EDI had any number of opportunities to kill the Normandy's crew if it wanted to. EDI could just vent the Normandy, take off, and hope for the best. I'm not sure if it wants or needs companionship, and if it does, it could just rewrite that routine to survive alone.

It has been more helpful than harmful, and whatever its motivations, it has clearly been trying to build mutually beneficial relationships that the organics it encounters.

But to really trust EDI, Mass Effect needed to give EDI A choice. It needed a moment similar to Neeshka's in Neverwinter Nights 2, where EDI is offered a viable alternative to its existence than living in the shadows among the organics.

Modifié par Obadiah, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:18 .

[hoodaticus]

KAM12780 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Good for you. For the record, I'm gay (not sure why its releavant though)

Hooray, I'm not the only one.

 I thought I was the only one! There's so many of us! 

Don't forget those of us who are laissez faire .

[KBronx17]

This is a silly argument. Name one reason why EDI isn't trustworthy, other than the fact that she was created by Cerberus.

Shouldn't the fact that EDI never turned on you....and the trilogy is over mean anything to you? If you were suspicious, you were wrong. Sorry. Thanks for playing.

[jetfire118]

HA i killed her. xD poor joker was just about to hit that.....THATS ONE THING I ALWAYS WONDERD? Can joker have um...yea?

[Unlimited69x]

I bet she hates EDI cause EDI has better curves.

Quit calling EDI a toaster, because Legion is pretty much the same. Their both AIs. Both made of machinery. You seem to be discriminating EDI because she's female and since she and Joker have a love interest, it blinds you.

Modifié par Unlimited69x, 10 juillet 2012 - 04:14 .