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[Taboo]

Why is an issue if she has to add it?

YOU are the racist if you think that they are less valid because of this.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

the geth knew more about the reapers then anyone else, they choose to join the reapers instead of fighting, others fight instead of joining reapers, unless they are forced. the reapers were asking ppl to surrender and turn ppl over that were planning to escape, and no one did, even if it meant their life. so i do believe that 98% of ppl would not side with the reapers to save their own lives

I meant people in real life.

Never underestimate the human will to survive.

EDI's story about the humans in Reaper concentration camps disproves your assertion.

That beacue we know we would die by jining them. That's not the same with the geth. The point is, If your backed to a corner, is it wrong for you to do anythin gyou can to live. It was not eeven the geths fault for being backed to the corner.

1 as edi said ppl would live longer if they helped the reapers, which they didn't

2 the geth knew they would be used as tools and hurt others for the reapers and yet tehy still sided with the reapers, rather then requesting aid from shepard . they could've just gave up the homeworld and left system. but they choose to stay and align with the reapers

But if you were in this case, you would pick just to die, even if your not a fault?

knowing what i would do by joinging the reapers, the harm i would cause on others, yeah i would choose deaths, to be used as a tool and no way of stopping myself from doing "evil" acts , i would'nt want that

but that is just me. like jack says, "death is easy, Fu*ken on/off switch"

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, you mean natural instictive impulses. They did have emotional impulses. If you choose to destroy the geth , you'll see Legions.

Nope, that was the survival instinct. And Legion added that to his programming. All "instincts" and "desires" in synthetics are done by themselves, by altering their code. EDI shows this in ME3. And it makes basic sense any way.

Programing in Machine =stegmas in organic.  Even we can override and change our emotional impulises, instincts and desires.

[darkiddd]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

The synthesis ending changes ALL life in the galaxy, WITHOUT permission.  And this is changed for FOREVER.

If bringing upon the extinction of all natural organic life in the Milky Way Galaxy isn't evil, then what is?

So why is bioware trying to make this ending be the best outcome, and making it look morally right?

If some man invented mechanical body parts that were superior then organic ones, is it right for him to gas people, and do surgery on them against their will, to remove certain inferior organic parts to be replaced by mechanical ones?  No it is not.  But bioware is saying that something like this is good.

It doesn't matter if this man has good intentions, and that what he invented can be used for good, but you know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.  It doesn't matter if this man thinks what he is doing is right, if he is forcing it upon people instead of giving people a choice...then it's evil.....period.

So it is wrong for the bioware writers to think that just because the galaxy is synthesized because of shepards good intentions, somehow makes it morally right and not evil.

What do you think? 

I think that I agree completely but I'm tired of saying with so many reasons in so many threads so many times how utterly evil synthesis is so now I just ignore synthesis and the people who choose it with their good intentions and their supreme ignorance.   

It's just a game after all and even I think that sometimes I may be a bit emphatic and annoy others.

But they are still wrong and synthesis is EVIL 

[loungeshep]

Have you ever tried promoting synthesis without evil? It's not as fun.

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

the geth knew more about the reapers then anyone else, they choose to join the reapers instead of fighting, others fight instead of joining reapers, unless they are forced. the reapers were asking ppl to surrender and turn ppl over that were planning to escape, and no one did, even if it meant their life. so i do believe that 98% of ppl would not side with the reapers to save their own lives

I meant people in real life.

Never underestimate the human will to survive.

EDI's story about the humans in Reaper concentration camps disproves your assertion.

That beacue we know we would die by jining them. That's not the same with the geth. The point is, If your backed to a corner, is it wrong for you to do anythin gyou can to live. It was not eeven the geths fault for being backed to the corner.

1 as edi said ppl would live longer if they helped the reapers, which they didn't

2 the geth knew they would be used as tools and hurt others for the reapers and yet tehy still sided with the reapers, rather then requesting aid from shepard . they could've just gave up the homeworld and left system. but they choose to stay and align with the reapers

But if you were in this case, you would pick just to die, even if your not a fault?

knowing what i would do by joinging the reapers, the harm i would cause on others, yeah i would choose deaths, to be used as a tool and no way of stopping myself from doing "evil" acts , i would'nt want that

but that is just me. like jack says, "death is easy, Fu*ken on/off switch"

Please, that would be the last thing you would ever think if you were in this case.

[Jamie9]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Why is an issue if she has to add it?

YOU are the racist if you think that they are less valid because of this.

Were you replying to me? I didn't say it was inferior - just different.

One of the pros of Synthesis. It allows organics to use synthetic cognitive fuctions, and for synthetics to use organic cognitive fuctions. You can choose the one you like best, or use a bit of both methods.

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...

Programing in Machine =stegmas in organic.  Even we can override and change our emotional impulises, instincts and desires.

Not quite. Synthetics can literally see which parts of their code do what, and alter it at whim. It's much more broad and inclusive than what organics can do.

[dreman9999]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

Legion got told he already had a soul. Why is Synthesis necessary?

By one of his best friends to comfort him as he was dying. Come on...

No. I may not like the geth in general, but Legion was a bro. I'm not accepting this "he never had a soul because he didn't go through synthesis" nonsense.

I'm sorry man, he was made not born. A machine. He responded to programming, not stimuli. He never acted based off of emotions.

Programing in synthetic = stegmas in organics.  A machines emotion are his programing, like our emotions are our stegmas.

Him using programing does not make him not alive or emotional.

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Programing in Machine =stegmas in organic.  Even we can override and change our emotional impulises, instincts and desires.

Not quite. Synthetics can literally see which parts of their code do what, and alter it at whim. It's much more broad and inclusive than what organics can do.

That matter not if it instatainuse. The fact they can choose there programing just proves hey have free will, it doen't mean the are not alive.

[ghost9191]

@dreman9999

actually i would, but that is because i would welcome death already

but that is me, and others probably won't feel the same way so i see where you are coming from

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

@dreman9999

actually i would, but that is because i would welcome death already

but that is me, and others probably won't feel the same way so i see where you are coming from

Which is why I can't fault them for joining the reapers. And even then, we can get back on our side any way.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:52 .

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...
That matter not if it instatainuse. The fact they can choose there programing just proves hey have free will, it doen't mean the are not alive.

I'd appreciate it if you stop putting words into my mouth.

I never once inferred that synthetic life isn't alive. It is. It just works differently.

[Ryzaki]

Jamie9 wrote...

The amount of times EDI declares she's alive almost outnumbers Jonny-5 in "Short Circuit."

It's 3 times as bad as Anderson being born in London.

LOL true enough.

dreman9999 wrote...
No, you mean natural instictive impulses.
They did have emotional impulses. If you choose to destroy the geth ,
you'll see Legions.

...To me it's a mix.

[Chun Hei]

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

[dreman9999]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

Legion got told he already had a soul. Why is Synthesis necessary?

By one of his best friends to comfort him as he was dying. Come on...

No. I may not like the geth in general, but Legion was a bro. I'm not accepting this "he never had a soul because he didn't go through synthesis" nonsense.

I'm sorry man, he was made not born. A machine. He responded to programming, not stimuli. He never acted based off of emotions.

Programing in synthetic = stegmas in organics.  A machines emotion are his programing, like our emotions are our stegmas.

Him using programing does not make him not alive or emotional.

I just don't buy that. It's too different. It's not bad, it's just different.

Life in it's bases is difference. Just because a form of life is not like your does not mean it's not life. If it was the cause trees and fungi would not be considered alive.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 juillet 2012 - 02:54 .

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That matter not if it instatainuse. The fact they can choose there programing just proves hey have free will, it doen't mean the are not alive.

I'd appreciate it if you stop putting words into my mouth.

I never once inferred that synthetic life isn't alive. It is. It just works differently.

Sorry.

[Ryzaki]

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

And it's the easiest ending to get if Shep saved the CB.

[me308f1cd5c]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...
Sorry.

You are forgiven. I'm sorry if that comment sounded too harsh.

Just my concise thoughts on the matter:

- Organics and synthetics are both equally "alive"
- They do, however, have fundamental differences
- That is what Synthesis is supposed to do, not eliminate the differences, but give both types of life the same options as each other.

[Jamie9]

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

[ghost9191]

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

shepard breath scene ending is hardest to get so

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Sorry.

You are forgiven. I'm sorry if that comment sounded too harsh.

Just my concise thoughts on the matter:

- Organics and synthetics are both equally "alive"
- They do, however, have fundamental differences
- That is what Synthesis is supposed to do, not eliminate the differences, but give both types of life the same options as each other.

The problem with synthesis is that it's not a colaberation.It's imposed. Why not at theis point let the organics natually find and develop synthesis them selve via choice over time.This open control and destory to a positve alternative at least.

[me308f1cd5c]

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

Shepard is no God, besides, i don't think Reaper Shepard is Shepard, just a version of him that has his memories, but it isn't really him.