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[Ryzaki]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

Shepard is no God, besides, i don't think Reaper Shepard is Shepard, just a version of him that has his memories, but it isn't really him.

The man I used to be...

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...
The problem with synthesis is that it's not a colaberation.It's imposed. Why not at theis point let the organics natually find and develop synthesis them selve via choice over time.This open control and destory to a positve alternative at least.

Ideally, it would be done slowly. But that's not an option now. It's speed it up a little, or kill an entire race (which I just can't do, I'm sorry), or become a God (which I don't agree with, morally).

[ghost9191]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

Shepard is no God, besides, i don't think Reaper Shepard is Shepard, just a version of him that has his memories, but it isn't really him.

it is just a copy

"through his death i was created, through my birth his thooughts are freed"   or something like that

[me308f1cd5c]

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

[Chun Hei]

ghost9191 wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

shepard breath scene ending is hardest to get so

Silly human. Everyone knows that was either Kelly or Vernor.

[dreman9999]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

Legion got told he already had a soul. Why is Synthesis necessary?

By one of his best friends to comfort him as he was dying. Come on...

No. I may not like the geth in general, but Legion was a bro. I'm not accepting this "he never had a soul because he didn't go through synthesis" nonsense.

I'm sorry man, he was made not born. A machine. He responded to programming, not stimuli. He never acted based off of emotions.

Programing in synthetic = stegmas in organics.  A machines emotion are his programing, like our emotions are our stegmas.

Him using programing does not make him not alive or emotional.

I just don't buy that. It's too different. It's not bad, it's just different.

Life in it's bases is difference. Just because a form of life is not like your does not mean it's not life. If it was the cause trees and fungi would not be considered alive.

Do trees and fungi have a soul? Now think about EDI. Dispite the fact that she insists she has a soul and has a body she is, in essence an advanced computer that simulates human intellegence. Does she have a soul if she's a computer?

But want indactes what has a soul? Can we touch and examin it? Whatis differnt for a tree and a humans for humans to have a souls. And added to this they are many culture that do thing trees and fungis have souls.

[Chun Hei]

ghost9191 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

Shepard is no God, besides, i don't think Reaper Shepard is Shepard, just a version of him that has his memories, but it isn't really him.

it is just a copy

"through his death i was created, through my birth his thooughts are freed"   or something like that

SHEPARD finds your lack of faith disturbing.

EXALTED MARCH!

[Jamie9]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

Diversity is a good thing. Diversity of opinion especially.

This just gives people more options. Do they wish to be more organic or more synthetic in nature? As long as that is a choice, I don't see the problem with it.

Overall, there'll still be plenty of diversity. Moreso than there was originally, really.

[dreman9999]

Jamie9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The problem with synthesis is that it's not a colaberation.It's imposed. Why not at theis point let the organics natually find and develop synthesis them selve via choice over time.This open control and destory to a positve alternative at least.

Ideally, it would be done slowly. But that's not an option now. It's speed it up a little, or kill an entire race (which I just can't do, I'm sorry), or become a God (which I don't agree with, morally).

With control and destroy it's an option. It only not an option if the races are killed off.

[me308f1cd5c]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

Legion got told he already had a soul. Why is Synthesis necessary?

By one of his best friends to comfort him as he was dying. Come on...

No. I may not like the geth in general, but Legion was a bro. I'm not accepting this "he never had a soul because he didn't go through synthesis" nonsense.

I'm sorry man, he was made not born. A machine. He responded to programming, not stimuli. He never acted based off of emotions.

Programing in synthetic = stegmas in organics.  A machines emotion are his programing, like our emotions are our stegmas.

Him using programing does not make him not alive or emotional.

I just don't buy that. It's too different. It's not bad, it's just different.

Life in it's bases is difference. Just because a form of life is not like your does not mean it's not life. If it was the cause trees and fungi would not be considered alive.

Do trees and fungi have a soul? Now think about EDI. Dispite the fact that she insists she has a soul and has a body she is, in essence an advanced computer that simulates human intellegence. Does she have a soul if she's a computer?

Well i don't think they have a "soul" in the spiritual sense, unless there is some sort of God in the ME universe which gave intelligent machines souls.  But perhaps it could be said that, metaphorically speaking, they have souls, just not the type of souls talked about in religions.

[dreman9999]

Chun Hei wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

How is it "promoting evil" if synthesis is the hardest ending to get? Anyone who wants the "evil" ending worked extra hard for it as it should be. Everyone knows that "control" is the "good" ending because God has come to rule the galaxy as it should be and that God is SHEPARD.

Shepard is no God, besides, i don't think Reaper Shepard is Shepard, just a version of him that has his memories, but it isn't really him.

it is just a copy

"through his death i was created, through my birth his thooughts are freed"   or something like that

SHEPARD finds your lack of faith disturbing.

EXALTED MARCH!

The god shepard protects!!!

[ghost9191]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

[zambot]

When I first saw this thread, was going to give it a 1/10 because obvious troll is obvious.

11 pages later, it is still getting bites.

8/10

[Jamie9]

ghost9191 wrote...

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

Except that EDI clearly states society is still improving, therefore they don't stagnate.

[Jamie9]

dreman9999 wrote...
With control and destroy it's an option. It only not an option if the races are killed off.

It doesn't kill them. As far as I can tell, the only thing Synthesis actually FORCES is the green hue.

Asari can remain purely organic if they so wish. No races are killed off.

[dreman9999]

me308f1cd5c wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

In Synthesis you are giving Synthetics the things they've always wanted. Souls, validation and acceptance. How can you not see the beauty in that?

Legion got told he already had a soul. Why is Synthesis necessary?

By one of his best friends to comfort him as he was dying. Come on...

No. I may not like the geth in general, but Legion was a bro. I'm not accepting this "he never had a soul because he didn't go through synthesis" nonsense.

I'm sorry man, he was made not born. A machine. He responded to programming, not stimuli. He never acted based off of emotions.

Programing in synthetic = stegmas in organics.  A machines emotion are his programing, like our emotions are our stegmas.

Him using programing does not make him not alive or emotional.

I just don't buy that. It's too different. It's not bad, it's just different.

Life in it's bases is difference. Just because a form of life is not like your does not mean it's not life. If it was the cause trees and fungi would not be considered alive.

Do trees and fungi have a soul? Now think about EDI. Dispite the fact that she insists she has a soul and has a body she is, in essence an advanced computer that simulates human intellegence. Does she have a soul if she's a computer?

Well i don't think they have a "soul" in the spiritual sense, unless there is some sort of God in the ME universe which gave intelligent machines souls.  But perhaps it could be said that, metaphorically speaking, they have souls, just not the type of souls talked about in religions.

I'll tell you what I believe. I believe in a cycle of energy going to one form to another and in time being trapped in a new form that has an ego.
That's the closign thing to a soul that  I can think of.

[RadicalDisconnect]

ghost9191 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

Since when was it stated that limitations were eliminated in synthesis? All that was stated was that synthetics and organics would eventually understand each other and are on better terms.

[Bill Casey]

If the change was optional, we'd still be fighting the Reapers...
At best, it's brainwashing for the greater good with an army of giant brainwashing machines just hanging out...

At worst, it makes creating Reapers easier...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:13 .

[dreman9999]

ghost9191 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

me308f1cd5c wrote...
And what about the organics?  Has all organic life in the Milky Way gotten what it wanted because of synthesis?

They can alter their own desires and impulses, like a synthetic (optional, too).

They can upload parts of their consciousness' to other bodies, or Consensus (optional, too).

It's not about what you get. It's about the options it gives everyone.

But why do they have to become like a sythnetic, and be able to do things that originally only synthetics could do?  What ever happened to species being unique?  Is there anything wrong with certain species not being able to do things that others's can't?

Mankind is supposed to be a unique species, just because it can't do things that robots can, doesn't mean it has to change.  Man and other organic species are fine the way they are.

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

That's the case of forced synthesis.

[Jamie9]

Bill Casey wrote...

If the change was optional, we'd still be fighting the Reapers...
At best, it's brainwashing for the greater good...

At worst, it makes creating Reapers easier...

Nope. The singularity is still averted. Even if nobody chose to embrace the synthetic traits, they could use them if facing extinction. Therefore, no need for the Catalyst to be around any more.

[dreman9999]

Bill Casey wrote...

If the change was optional, we'd still be fighting the Reapers...
At best, it's brainwashing for the greater good...

At worst, it makes creating Reapers easier...

or we choose to do it slowly over time, without the reapers guidence or them as  our servents.

Modifié par dreman9999, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:15 .

[Bill Casey]

Jamie9 wrote...

Nope. The singularity is still averted.
Even if nobody chose to embrace the synthetic traits, they could use
them if facing extinction. Therefore, no need for the Catalyst to be
around any more.

The Reapers are around and noone is trying to kill them...
There's peace across the galaxy and the Reapers are just chilling out...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 juillet 2012 - 03:15 .

[ghost9191]

Jamie9 wrote...

ghost9191 wrote...

and that is how a species advances, by overcoming limitations, if you go the route synthesis you no longer need to advance past anything. or work to achieve , you stagnate

that is one argument. felt like adding more to it but don't feel like typing what has been said

Except that EDI clearly states society is still improving, therefore they don't stagnate.

edi says alot of things, and i wouldn't say it is improving, that damn dystopia is a lie, well the utopia is which would make it a dystopia so it is not a lie, the dystopia part anyways.

hacket also says that "we can achieve a future far greater then any one of us could ever imagine" and with that we don't need to force a change on everyone

synthesis is opposite, with destroy you rebuild on your own, achieve your own future on your own terms, synthesis forces it and instead of uniting despite differences , they are instead removed . i mean between organics and synthetics.

i prefer to let the races achieve their own future, work out problems, unite and come together without forcing synthesis on everyone. or needing the reapers to rebuild


it might take longer to rebuild the relays in destroy but the races learn and do it for themselves, learning how they work in the process,. not needing the reapers

but hey if you want to believe the only way we will accept others that are different is by removing those defferences then "so be it" i however believe we can learn tolerance